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It's Memories that I'm Stealing, But You're Innocent When You Dream: GameThread for Toronto Blue Jays at Boston Red Sox, 30 Sept 2009, 7:10 PM EDT

Toronto Blue Jays at Boston Red Sox, Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT


Well, our corvids look to keep our their fine play over the last week and a half (having won five straight and eight of the last nine).

Roy Halladay is on the hill for the Jays and -- since Boston backed into the playoffs last night with a Texas loss -- the Red Sox send out their B-Squad, featuring Joey Gathright in centre, Josh Reddick in left, Alex Gonzalez at short (with Jed Lowrie playing third in Mike Lowell's stead) and another old friend of ours, Chris Woodward.  While the SAWKS may not be playing their best, it won't be easy for Doc to live up to the expectations he set with his last start, in which he recorded nine strikeouts and zero walks in a shutout of the Mariners.

Kevin Millar gets another start at third for the Toronto nine (and this time he bats third in the lineup?  I understand that's because of Wakefield, but still . . .) and Randy Ruiz gets the start at DH.

If it's Doc's last start as a Jay, I hope it's a good one.




Today's thread title comes from the Tom Waits song "You're Innocent When You Dream"

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Doc against a bunch of Triple-A players and backups....

if you could put long shot money on a no hitter this would be the type of game

by Tom Dakers on Sep 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ok mike blowers

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course papelbon has so much to be bitter about

lind hit three homers that game. papelbon’s only won two world series in his career so far.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you hear the jays laid off about two dozen more staffers, no one from the

baseball operations. Still not a strong indicator of any type of payroll boost

by ClintB on Sep 30, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah saw the story

but I wouldn’t guess that it would one would have much to do with the other

by Tom Dakers on Sep 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe I can get Jays gig and work my way up to Beeston’s job since they are not calling me back on my President application ;-)

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello everybody

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Millar hitting third?

come on

that should be Ruiz or Snider … heck i would even rather see Johnny Mac in that spot

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

this hsould be very interesting to see how the youngsters (Ruiz & Snider) handle Wakefield

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmmm Ruiz is far from young...

I’d guess he’s the type that would do well against a knuckle ball pitchers

by Tom Dakers on Sep 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, that was a bit tongue in cheek

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Millar finds your lack of faith disturbing….

/makes the force choking sign

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, the fact that he will not be with Jays next year and Snider will and hopefully so will Ruiz, so naturally you would like to “invest” the AB in next season

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope we have someone better then a 31 year old career AAAA player for our DH…. But yes Snider should be there. Although I was kinda joking around.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

he looks good so far

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

if i were wakefield

i would tell the red sox i’m thinking about retiring so they would decline their option and then go for the surgery and sign with another team

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

wakefield has a bizarre contract

every year the red sox can take a 4 M dollar option.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it 4? I thought it was 2

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

according to cot's 4 mil

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alrighty, My mistake

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by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

why's that?

is he from the area?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he is a Red Sox through and through Like Johnny Damon…. wait… nevermind

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget manny and pedro

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

like Ruiz, yet they both get the job done … hmmmm

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wakefield has a lifetime option of 2 Mil a year with the Red Sox. They can continue to pick up his option year after year after year….. and so on and so on

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be a nice contract for a few Jays oplayers

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its like he is mocking you

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heck I would bunt just to watch him try and ‘hustle’ towards it. I’d laugh more if we didn’t have to watch him run the bases so often this year :(

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

But we had Millar the…. Oh I see what you did there

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed a brisk pace

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by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ball doesn't flutter as much in cold air, right?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think someone figured out to throw a knuckle for the first time ever….

Alright I want to learn how to throw a pitch that defys physics and moves like a whiffleball.

Brilliant! I’ve got just the thing!

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

i read the origins of the curveball

that one is fascinating. candy cummings was like 150 lbs and lived in brooklyn and wanted the ball to curve like a seashell

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think if you launch anything into the air that does not spin … it flies very funny

before they rifled gun barrels, the projectiles flew willy nilly all over the place

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn Damn Damn

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

he may at end of season

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zing!

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

why?

next player would just ground into a dp

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, Wake blows them by people

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

even i can throw and hit 60 mph

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

of course

when I say “throw,” I can’t locate the ball and when I say “hit,” I mean in the batting cages

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Johnny Mac

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Sep 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

you do not like the bunt play there?

i thought it was good call

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe

Jays should sign Kotchman with the good glove at first if Edwin is gonna play 3rd … LOL ;-)

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

about the same glove and less bat than overbay

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, fer sure that was an insta-toss

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder what the ump said to doc

“Fair enough, you’ve made your point” — something like that?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he might have looked at Ortiz’s huge stature and looked to Roy and said “you aren’t particularly smart are you?”

LOL, that little nugget comes from a guy I knew in university, who was really big and some smallish guy tried to mug him in London, UK so he beat up the mugger. In court, the judge looked at the beaten up would-be mugger and my larger associate and said to the mugger “you aren’t particularly smart are you?”

LOL

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doc, awesome

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

thought the same

but if he finishes it up perfect I’ll be satisfied

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

not sure Ortiz is the guy i would pick to plunk … LOL

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

if he was moving his arm down

when he got hit, that might be good because his triceps would be extending at that point

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

following up on Tablers comments

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice tater by Overbay

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions  

ok

now lets get serous

this guy has answered the call every single time he has been asked since call up

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

well, as to Ruiz hitting solo taters

i would point out that he is hitting late in order where there are less likley to be base runners hence the larger share of solo taters

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't think you have to convince anyone here

about the non-existence of clutch hitting

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i cannot tell if that is pro the case for Ruiz or against?

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No intent

Also, do we even want Wakefield out of this game?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

true … but i guess obvious to all that there was no intent

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grienke will win im pretty sure

then Felix Hernandez maybe in 2nd.. Doc 3rd or 4th… havent really checked their stats or anything thats just what im assuming.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Verlander will be in there

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, that's the problem

Greinke and Verlander have been legitimately as good (or better) and Felix has been great and lucky and CC has a lot of wins

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If doc hadn't lost two (three really) starts to the groin strain

I think he’d definitely be third

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

the complete games might buy him a vote or two

and depending on how he finishes tonight

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

His reputation will help. And if he finishes with a strong game tonight that will really help

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not that he should need help

but I assume C.C. will be ahead of him (though I don’t think he should be)

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I just decided

Ruiz makes the team as at least a bench player next year. Then second we need to find a Joey Gathright/Corey Patterson etc that can be a 4th outfielder and be a real pinch runner. Then over the off season Lind learns to play outfield.

Unfortunately the OF will suck but whatever.

by Rhinos on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

this is what you want to happen

or this is what you are resigned to as happening?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you will all be sorry you did not get on the Ruiz bandwagon sooner ;-) LOL

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope so

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Ruiz thing

Is what I want. I really don’t see us spending that much money and I think Ruiz deserves a shot.

Then second, find a cheap guy that can fly. It was an embarrasment that Johnny Mac was the pinch runner this year.

by Rhinos on Sep 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Jays are putting the boots to the Red Sox"

Medium-style?

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Sep 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

3 home runs = 52" Sharp Aquos
6th inning = 40" Sharp Aquos

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that were are in contention. But how is Ruiz not in the line up every single night right now.

by Jesse Taylor on Sep 30, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

this question we have been pondering for weeks now

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

now he has to keep the shutout

gathright is probably going to take second

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

though if he does

it would be ridiculous down by 10 runs

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

rocco baldelli in at third?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

played one game at third in RookieBall

back in 2000, when he was 18 years old.

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they would have been playing in the outfield

they might have had a chance

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Sep 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

Baldelli’s hit was clean. I’d have loved to see the no-hitter, but it just was not to be

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a line drive that landed at the cut of the grass

Rolen isn’t 12 feet tall.

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's see a nice dp

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

nice play rod

and surprising that redsox fans let him reach for it

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

pen is up . . .

must be getting work in with the day off tomorrow, right? doc’s only at 81 pitches

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You think doc would come out of this one?

I kind of get the feeling he wants to finish what he started

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cito doesn't exactly strike me as the top to take him out

and certainly not against his wishes

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't mind seeing dirk get work

but at 85 pitches it seems kind of silly to take him out when he’s working on a shutout

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

millar

not very quick there.

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

what kind of celebration will the Resox hold???

when they have been playing so poorly the last 2 weeks and they got in on another team misfortune ( they were going to clinched eventually but still), I would be really concern if i was a Boston fan

by elpikiman on Sep 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad Barajas

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I demand hits!

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now I demand Pie!

mmmmmmmmm Pie

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

felix pie?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

(would be a fourth outfielder who could pinch run)

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

A strikeout!

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

wow 1 out away from 21 consecutive shutout innings for Halladay.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

YOU SUCK DOC!

where’s the no-hitter?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

i put money on it when you said, he made me lose it

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by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...it will be your fault...

he’ll read that and decide ‘I don’t want to pitch for the Jays anymore’

by Tom Dakers on Sep 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

my guess is, A. he won’t read it, B. if he did, he’d know it was in jest, C. if by some unexplainable happenstance he didn’t know it was in jest, he wouldn’t care.

but i’ll append this with:

Please stay, Doc!

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 30, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

a dagger to the heart

by aagoodfella on Sep 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers to Halladay.
Well done

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Sep 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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