More on the Search for a New Manager

by Tom Dakers on Oct 19, 2010 8:24 PM EDT in Toronto Blue Jays News

Shi Davidi has twitted that Rob Thompson, Dave Martinez, Sal Fasano and Luis Rivera are all out of the running for the Jay's manager job.

He also said that DeMarlo Hale and Sandy Alomar are still in the running. And that he believes that Butterfield and Roenicke and 'others' are still in the running. Also said that he thinks that Butterfield makes the most sense.

I don't see Sandy Alomar, Jr at all. Not only has he not managed before anywhere but the closest he has come is first base coach. Not to insult first base coaches but that's about as far away from the manager spot as you can be in the coaching staff. Though there are more catchers that become managers than any other position on the field, but I can't see them giving the job to someone that hasn't managed before.

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You cant see AA giving it to a guy that hasn't managed before?

He seems like a high risk high reward kind of GM.
Not saying that Alomar would be a good choice though.
I’m not a huge fan of Butterfield though, I think we need a new face.

by Nadia on Oct 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

High Risk High Reward doesnt really apply to managers.

Even the most experienced managers don’t make that much in comparison to their player counterpoints.

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by JohnnyG on Oct 19, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

You may not have much risk with managers in terms of salary paid, but you have huge risk in terms of the potential downside of hiring the wrong person. So your high risk high reward scenario is the risk of hiring someone with no track record but the potential reward that they could be a great manager.

PS. Don’t we have an active manager thread here already? Let’s keep that one going.

by jabalong on Oct 19, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

So contrast that vs a more experienced manager and whats the difference? Mitigated Risk with the same level of reward?

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by JohnnyG on Oct 19, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe if a guy has been good pretty much where ever he goes

So you’re pretty sure he’s not going to be a bad manager. He would be a safe choice. He may not be the perfect fit for your team though.

With someone without much experience, he could bomb as a manager. But if you feel likes a good fit for the team, he has a chance to be a great manager. You have a high risk that he may fail, but he could become a great manager.
I honestly know nothing about what would make a good manager. I just hope they hire someone who doesn’t try to make the players something they’re not. I’ll be happy with whoever AA picks.

by Nadia on Oct 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Catchers are generally smart game managers… so, you never know.

Apparently, he’s been called back 3 times for an interview. There’s obviously something AA sees in Alomar, Jr.

by bleh on Oct 19, 2010 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

baseball family, former major-league catcher

he wouldn’t be my first choice, but it’s not shocking to see him on the short list

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by hugo on Oct 19, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions

I say it´s between Butter and Demarlo Hale…. but my look on it is from europe ;)

"Without a catcher we´ll have a lot of passed balls!" Casey Stengel

by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 19, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions

Prediction

SAJ is not getting a long look b ecause he’s a candidate to manage the Jays, but because Alex will try to hire him to manage in the Jays’ system next year (AA maybe, if Rivera is bumped up)

Alomar has a goal to manage in the majors and that means he needs to manage in the minors.

I’m still waiting to hear if Alex will talk to Sandberg before finalizing his choice.

by TamRa on Oct 19, 2010 10:56 PM EDT reply actions

Must manage in Minors?

I always thought that myself, but did Mattingly, Guillen, or Gibson manage in the minors or were they immediate coaches who got named managers?

by MrNegative1 on Oct 19, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions

None of them managed in the minors

But Mattingly and Gibson were bench coaches, who are generally recognized as second-in-command, while Ozzie was a third base coach which is generally a position right below the bench coach in the chain of command. Next are the hitting and pitching coaches (generally equal), followed by first-base coach and bullpen coach.

Of course, John Gibbons was a former catcher who was named manager after only being a first-base coach in the majors. But he had managed 900 games in the Mets organization and was the GM’s old roommie.

by Minor Leaguer on Oct 20, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions

I’d personally like to see Rivera stay in AA to finish developing our real prospects and slot Alomar into AAA if he is hired as a minor league manager.

by Minor Leaguer on Oct 20, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions

dunno

I’m just thinking that Alomar might see it as the next logical step in resume building

by TamRa on Oct 19, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions

I also wonder...

How much of this is due to Roberto’s influence?

by Minor Leaguer on Oct 20, 2010 1:19 AM EDT reply actions

I would think

Roberto would be a detriment to Sandy, not a help. I live here in Tampa, the guy is a real “black eye” on the community.

by MrNegative1 on Oct 20, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Roberto already works with the Jays organization doing this and that.

He was at the baseball draft this year to help announce the Jays Picks

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by JohnnyG on Oct 20, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

some of the alomar problem

of course, one woman spoke out last year about this http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/wife_takes_hack_at_alomar_MKZ4Wx7vUF2lX78MHe859O and now it’s his wife who suggest the same thing.

Then there is this:
http://sports.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978458869

I understand all of this could be just the result of a nasty divorce and could all be false. I have no problem with Roberto Alomar, and as a fan of the Cleveland Indians, enjoyed his time with the Tribe. But, there is a certain distance that an organization will take with an individual when trouble surrounds that player. At one time, Tiger Woods would’ve been considered a great character reference to have on your side.

Back to Sandy Alomar. I am a big believer that he will be a great manager someday. Not because of his ties to the Cleveland Indians or anything like that. I was impressed with the overall results of his interview to be a coach in Cleveland. It was widely believed that Sandy was being brought over from the Mets as some sort of PR move.

He blew the Indians away when he interviewed with a complete 2010 plan for the Indians catchers, including a road map for Carlos Santana to follow in Spring Training and in AAA. Sandy is not one who is sitting back waiting to get a job, he actively has been preparing for the opportunity for years.

If the Blue Jays take the risk and bring Alomar on-board, I am convinced they will have a good man to lead that team.

Please don’t think my inclusion of the Roberto links is somehow a backhanded dig or meant to shed pure negativity over the guy. They are provided solely to show the dates (Aug/Oct 2010) of his most recent problems relative to comments about the June draft…maybe I should’ve re-phrased my earlier comment and said that the MEDIA has made him out to be a black eye on the community*******

by MrNegative1 on Oct 21, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

No Butterfield...

It´s between Hale, Farrell and Alomar Junior…

"Without a catcher we´ll have a lot of passed balls!" Casey Stengel

by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 20, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

With the way Alex has hid stuff from people so far in his career. Im waiting for the actual announcement and not paying so much attention until then,.

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by JohnnyG on Oct 20, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions