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Hi everyone - a quick trip around the Jays' blogosphere, courtesy of the great Rentals song "Story of a Thousand Seasons Past."  I'm christening what used to be called the "linkfest" post after the busy, fascinating, extremely diverse Kensington Market, one of my favourite Toronto neighbourhoods, since I think it well reflects the nature of the Jays' blogosphere. 

  • New Jays' beat writer Gregor Chisholm talks a bit about the possibility of a Justin Upton trade. Sounds like the D-Backs are asking the world for Upton, and many think the world of him, so maybe it makes sense. 
  • Batters Box's Dave Rutt has done a great job keeping up with the AFL and the Jays who have been playing down there:  John Tolisano, Eric Thames, Adam Loewen, Mike McDade, Marc Rzepczynski, Alan Farina, and Matt Daly.  The recently traded Danny Farquar was also playing there, as was Adeiny Hechavarria prior to being shut down for injury.  I can't remember if we talked about this before but I was surprised not to see Moises Sierra playing after he missed almost the whole season to injury.  Rzep was just getting some more innings in to build up his stamina but some of the younger Jays have performed well in the desert.   
  • The Drunks do their usual great job of breaking down Keith Law's ESPN chats.  I wasn't thrilled with this bit about Hechavarria:


Klaw
Well, it's his first year in the U.S., he's young, and he's pretty loose and athletic. That said, I think his fielding doesn't match his hype - Iglesias is a better glove right now - and I worry about guys with that much style and panache in everything they do. You don't get extra runs for artistic merit. Just throw the ball straight.

 

Okay, so the way that Law signs really makes me think of the Famous, the Famous, Mr. Klaw!  Law also didn't think the Jays gave up much in Danny Farquhar, but also isn't crazy about new acquisition Rajai Davis, calling him a "4th/5th Outfielder type". 

Klaw
Lack of stuff, and what's the upside for a RH sidearmer? A RH specialist, that's what. Those guys are seldom worth much in their best seasons, and their runs of success tend to be short. Nice inventory guy but zero trade value if I'm on the other end of the deal.

  • The Tao of Stieb is wondering what the Jays think they have in Davis.  I'm not sure I agree with this, though.:
    If everything plays out right, we could definitely see Rajai as an everyday guy who slides into each of the outfield slots, and posting an OPS near .800 and getting driven in often by the heart of the order.


  • For folks who have been wondering about the Jays' recent losses to waivers, the Southpaw does a great job breaking down the impending 40-man roster situation and its impact on the Rule 5 draft. 
  • The always great Ghostrunner on First takes a look at the impact of speed and what someone like Rajai Davis brings to the table.  As I mentioned in my long post on Davis, his speed has made him an above-average offensive player even in years that he has been a well-below average hitter. 
  • Joanna over at Hum and Chuck wants Manny.  Ummm, I mean she thinks he'd be a fun addition for the Jays. 
  • For folks who are concerned that I've blacked out drunk on my keyboard at work again when they start reading words like BABIP on this site, Mop Up Duty has a decent primer. 
  • In non-bloggy articles, Gregor Chisholm takes a look at the possibility of J.P. Arencibia becoming the Jays' regular catcher in 2011.  I was very happy to see this AA quote in response to the idea that Arencibia's long-term future might be other than behind the plate:

"J.P. Arencibia for us, there's no question, we view him behind the plate and we don't view him at any other spot," Anthopoulos recently said. "People have talked about his ability to play other positions, because he's that type of athlete and he's that type of kid. But there's no question his value and where we think he has tremendous ceiling and tremendous upside is behind the plate."

  • In one of his final pieces, Jordan Bastian wrote about Shawn Camp, referred to by pitching coach Bruce Walton as "my most consistent reliever" in 2010, and the likelihood that Camp will see higher-leverage, late-inning situations this season.  I like Camp a lot, and his ability to get groundballs and limit walks is very valuable, but a 5.72 K/9 doesn't scream dominant late-inning reliever to me. 

What's on your minds this fine day, Bluebird Banter faithful?

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When can we trade those drafted in the June 2010 draft. The bogus trade offer in response Greg Chisholm’s article got me think if Deck McGuire could be traded in an Upton deal or not.

by Rhinos on Nov 19, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

1 year after being drafted, isn't it?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

That was my thought.

If it 1 year from draft or 1 year from signing?

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty sure it’s a year after signing a professional contract, but we can include him as a PTBNL six months before that.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

right, I think it's after signing, but I'm not so sure about the latter

I’ve ready that you can use the PTBNL to get around the 1-year rule but I’ve also read that you can’t.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think its a proof thing. A lot of PTBNL are lists of players where the team selects one based on criteria.

I guess it would be hard to prove that a team agree to trade so and so before the deadline of 1 year if it was announced afterwards. They would just be like we didn’t make up our minds until this point

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the PTBNL can be used to get around that up to six months in advance, because the trade must be completed, and therefore the players named, within six months of the original transaction.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

In some trades, one of the components is a “player to be named later” which usually turns out to be a minor league player. The unnamed player is included as part of a trade when the teams cannot immediately agree on a specific player or when the player is not yet eligible to be traded. In these cases, the player in question must be named within six months.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

what's the source on that?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Today?

Im trying to figure out what I want for lunch.

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

Tom Signore promoted

The 2009 and 2010 pitching coach in Double-A New Hampshire has been promoted to the pitching coach of Triple-A Las Vegas.

Not worthy of a fanpost, but somewhat significant. He has done a great job with Stewart and the younger guys they traded like Collins and D-Farq.

by NHfishercatsfan on Nov 19, 2010 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

RE: Camp

I dunno, Sure 5.72 K/9 doesn’t scream late inning guy but ultimately there is only one thing I care about for late inning relievers (really ALL pitchers starters or relievers) and that’s the ability to get outs without being scored on. Sure you’d like to reduce the number of variables involved in that but whatever works works right?

by Parallex on Nov 19, 2010 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

absolutely

but Camp’s FIP was over 4 last season. He benefitted from a lot of good luck.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Well… good fielding at any rate. I wouldn’t attribute too much to luck. Which isn’t to say that his success wasn’t at least partially due to random variance but I saw the guy sent out there seemingly specifically to induce a groudball DP for me to think that it’s mostly luck.

That being said ultimately I agree, if you gave me the option of sending a guy out there who’ll K three guys in a row or a guy who’ll induce three GB in a row I’ll take the K’s everytime ’natch.

by Parallex on Nov 19, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

“sent out there too often

by Parallex on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, Downs appeared in like 81 games one year.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I was attempting to correct myself I forgot to type they words “Too Often” into my prior comment. Not the first time I wish SBNation had an edit function.

by Parallex on Nov 19, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, Chisholm thinks we have to part with Lind to get Upton?

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I’d give up Lind before I gave up Snider, I think. Or Drabek.

So if they want Drabek + Lind instead of Drabek + Snider, I would definitely go for that.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d actually prefer to keep Lind over Snider, but that’s probably just me.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

what are they going to do with Lind?

by ayjackson on Nov 19, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

1B?

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Nov 19, 2010 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

don't they have one?

Conor Jackson? Or am I three seasons old with this assumption?

by ayjackson on Nov 19, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure myself either but doesn’t one of Adam Laroche or Mark Reynolds play first?

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Looks like he was traded to Oakland in June, which seems surprising knowing they have Daric Barton

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Stick him at first base? My preferred defense if we get Upton would be JPA and Molina behind the plate; Lind at first base, unless AA makes another move, which knowing him isn’t exactly out of the question; an infield of Hill, Escobar, and Bautista with JMac and Emaus as backups; and a outfield (partial rotation?) of Snider, Wells, Upton, and Davis.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I should ask Southpaw this directly

but the post has Henderson Alvarez on his list of ones that could be protected…but I see him as someone that signed before age 19 and has had 4 years, so he should have one more year before he has to be protected. Also it says there are 8 openings on our 40 man but I only count 7.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 19, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

I think he only has two years actually, because short leagues like the Northwest League and Gulf Coast League don’t count, and I assume the Dominican Summer League doesn’t count either…

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

not by how I read the rules...it isn't seasons it is years....
Players are eligible for selection in the Rule 5 draft who are not on their major league organization’s 40-man roster and:
– were signed at age 19 or older and have been in the organization for four years; or
– were signed at age 18 or younger and have been in the organization for five years.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

True, the short season thing might have been the case with option years after they get added to the 40-man roster.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I only count 7 as well…

by kudzupo on Nov 19, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Also I like this quote from John Farrell about JP Arencibia and Don Wakamatsu
“In J.P.‘s case, our goal is to make him an everyday catcher behind the plate leading a pitching staff, and there’s further work to be done,” Farrell said. “I felt like Don is the right guy for the situation.”

by Tom Dakers on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

It will be nice to have a coach like Wakamatsu in Arencibia’s corner supporting him.

by jabalong on Nov 19, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

especially seeing

how it seems like no one on this site does.

by benk on Nov 19, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like Scrabble won't be starting tomorrow
The Javelinas had not announced a starter for Saturday’s game. It likely would have been lefty Marc Rzepczynski, who went 4-0 with a 1.16 ERA during AFL action, but the Jays southpaw left the Fall League after his final start on Tuesday, due to a personal commitment.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

saw that earlier this week

Couldn’t you leave for a personal commitment and be back in four days to start?

by ayjackson on Nov 19, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the personal commitment....

Likely the commitment was ’I’ve pitched enough here, I want to go home’.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 19, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was pretty optimistic and all about pitching here from everything I’ve read so I do take it as a bit of a surprise. And isn’t he still a start or two away from the number of innings management wants him to get in this year?

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Depends on what the personal commitment is I guess. If a close relative/friend died and the funeral was that day for example, or if his wife/GF is due to give birth or some such thing.

by Parallex on Nov 19, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Hechevarria and JP

Discouraging observations for A. Hechevarria. What injury did he sustain?

Encouraging comments about JP Arencibia, especially that Buck is gone. He can learn a lot from Jose Molina in 2011 as they platoon their position.

by Marcos Montenegro on Nov 19, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Think it was the groin or hamstring.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

who's Iglesias?

Anyone here know anything about him?

by Marcos Montenegro on Nov 19, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

A Red Sox Cuban signing.

Here are his stats. They are friends. Depends on who you believe on which of the two are better.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 19, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

All i know about this kid is that hs signing bonus was $6,000,000, or 50% more than Hechevarria’s.

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

50%? more like 33%

I thought Hechevarria’s signing bonus was $4 million.

by Marcos Montenegro on Nov 19, 2010 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

6 is 50% more than 4.
half of 4 is 2, 4+2=6.

going the other way, 4 is 67% of 6.

by benk on Nov 19, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

How dare you bring math and accountability into the discussion!

by jabalong on Nov 19, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And according to MLB.com, Iglesias is the better prospect. http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7150985&topic_id=7962336

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 1:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I've read several other sources

that questioned why the Sox would pick up Iglesias when Hechavarria was still unsigned. I can’t remember where, though, so no link

by SuckaMD on Nov 19, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Moises Sierra

Struck out in one plate appearance in one of the Latin winter leagues. I’m guessing not quite healthy yet. Also Mastroianni has had a great winter ball season, and Emaus and Alvarez have faired well too.

by ayjackson on Nov 19, 2010 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Seems like I can’t comment in the Upton post anymore. Just ran a B-R query for most WAR before, and including, their age 22 seasons. Unfortunately, I do not have a suscription but I’ll post the link here for someone to hopefully copy and paste the data here.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/season_finder.cgi?type=b#ajax_result_table::2

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

? I wonder why you can’t comment there

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Get bounced to the SB Nation “this page does not exist” page

by xhliang on Nov 19, 2010 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Works for me, might be something to do with commenting via mobile.

You may want to submit a bug report to sbnation.

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

speaking of commenting via mobile

on my blackberry I can’t get it to show me which comments are new (though it tell me how many new ones there are in the thread) – anyone have any ideas?

by benk on Nov 19, 2010 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, that’s a link and a half. Buried in that link could be the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything.

by jabalong on Nov 19, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I like these URLs in all their untypeable glory

by siggian on Nov 21, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya gotta love it when the URL in a post is 10 lines longer than the comment that goes with it.

That’s got to be some kind of record that ought to be now immortalized on the site, lest it be lost and forgotten. Really, it’s impressive. I couldn’t come up with a link like that if I tried.

by jabalong on Nov 21, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Flying tiger "slide"

Check out this pic of Ty Cobb from that Mopupduty post on BABIP – his “slide” is more like a flying tiger kick to the catcher’s groin. No wonder Cobb had a reputation for being a prick. Ouch!

by jabalong on Nov 19, 2010 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

Dave Perkins on the Rajai Davis deal

From Dave Perkins latest column in the Star:

AA made a middling-sized move bringing in Rajai Davis, with speed for the top of the lineup, although Oakland reportedly was not going to tender Davis, having obtained David DeJesus for a corner outfield spot. (Previously, Davis lost his centre field job to Coco Crisp.)

That’s interesting. Oakland managed to snag Edwin Encarnacion from us for nothing by waiting for us to put him on waivers. On the other hand, we gave up players to Oakland for Rajai Davis when we might have been able to try wait to get him off waivers. Hmmm, did Billy Beane outplay AA here?

by jabalong on Nov 19, 2010 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

or Oakland would have kept him for the 4th outfield party

by JohnnyG on Nov 19, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think their respective salaries

explain the difference

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 19, 2010 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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