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Bluebird Banter Top 40 Blue Jays Prospects, #40-31

Hi everyone.  Now that we have recapped the seasons of our top 30 prospects, we'll be counting down our new top prospects list.  We decided to do a top 40 instead of just 30, to reflect greater depth in the system and because it's just more fun.  Without further delay:

40.  Alan Farina (not listed last time around):  Farina, a Clemson alum who the Jays drafted in the third round of their busy 2007 draft, had a great season out of the bullpen for both Dunedin and New Hampshire, getting into 49 games and giving up just 8 earned runs (1.29 ERA).  Farina had dominating strikeout numbers at both levels, striking out 12 batters per 9 innings across the two levels, and didn't walk all that many either (3.2/9), which was the biggest improvement from 2009, where he struggled big time.  He then topped off his season with an excellent Arizona Fall League performance. Farina will be 24 this coming season and showed enough that the Jays added him to the 40-man roster to protect him from the Rule 5 draft.  He could be a middle innings mainstay for the Jays in the coming years.  On the other hand, he's had an up-and-down career in the minors, so he'll look to build on last seasons success in 2011.  

39.  Yan Gomes ("just missed out" last time around):  Gomes, a 10-round draftee in 2009, had a decent season in Dunedin at the age of 22.  The Miami native and catching prospect saw increased playing time due to Travis d'Arnaud's injury and mostly took advantage of it, hitting .275/.312/.489.  Gomes also threw out 32% of would-be base stealers.  Yes, the low on-base percentage and walk rates are a big concern, but less so for a catcher than at another position.  And his power was a nice surprise, with 30 extra-base hits in 247 plate appearances for Dunedin.  

38.  Ryan Goins (20th last time around):  Goins, a fourth-round draft pick in the 2009 draft out of Dallas Baptist University, has had a couple of nice seasons in the minors and worked his way up to Dunedin this year.  His numbers in high-A were terrible (over fewer than 200 plate appearances) but he had a nice year at Lansing before that - hitting .308/.380/.417.  The downside is that some scouts don't necessarily see Goins as a major-league shortstop, he'll be 23 next season, and he doesn't have a ton of power or speed on the bases.  As you can probably tell by my writeup, Tom had him ranked higher than me.  

37.  Egan Smith ("just missed out list" last year):  Smith, a tall (6'5", 200 lbs) Utahan, was taken in the 7th round of the 2009 draft.  Smith just enjoyed a nice age 21 season where he mostly pitched in Lansing, after having solid success after being drafted in short-season A ball last year.  The lefty starter was unlucky on batted balls and was the victim of poor defense at Lansing, as his pitching (7.2 K/9, 2.4 BB/9, tons of groundballs) really outperformed his ERA (4.54).  He was great for Auburn in 2009 and I'm going to call last season a very solid season as well, which means I could see Smith doing good things in 2011, where he'll likely spend the bulk of the season at Dunedin with a good chance to move up to AA by the season's end.  Tom and I both had him in the low 30s.  

36.  Sean Ochinko ("just missed out" last year):  Ochinko, an 11th-round draftee in June 2009, had a nice season at Lansing this year, hitting .311/.360/.459.  Ochinko, a right-handed hitter, has shown good contact skills and credible control of the strike zone in his two professional seasons.  Sean wasn't bad in the Spring but took a bit of time to get fully comfortable with the better pitching at full season ball, and once he did, enjoyed a really excellent June-August, with OPS above .850 each month.  He hasn't shown a ton of home run power yet (8 this year) but he had a ton of doubles (37 in 453 plate appearances is an awful lot) so that may come.  On the down side, Ochinko, who was 22 this season and was drafted as a catcher, spent time at first and third base this season (though he still mostly caught), suggesting that perhaps he won't stick long-term behind the plate.  Third Base could be intriguing if Ochinko can play that position well, since his bat could play there (though not as well as it would behind the plate) and the Jays lack long-term solutions at third.  Sean is likely to begin 2011 at Dunedin.  

35.  Joel Carreno (not listed last year):  Carreno, a righthanded starter signed out of the Dominican, had a bit of a strange season at Dunedin.  Carreno, who will be 24 next season, posted awesome strikeout (11.3/9) and walk (2.0/9) numbers but suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, giving up more hits than innings pitched and spending most of the season with an ERA over 4.  Carreno isn't a groundballer so one way in which he probably was lucky was on home run balls (.5/9 innings), but he's been stingy with homers his whole professional career.  Carreno's luck started to even out as the season went on and he ended up with a 3.73 ERA.  Carreno is ending his year with a stint as a reliever in the Dominican Winter League and, as you'd expect from a 23-year old, is pitching well there.  It'll be interesting to see how his AA season goes in 2011.  

34.  Michael Crouse (not listed last year):  Crouse, a big outfielder, was only a 16th-round pick in 2008, but he dominated the GCL in his second go around in 2010, hitting .333/.402/.594, and earning a promotion straight over Auburn to Lansing, where he held his own despite a low batting average by walking at a strong rate and hitting for power.  Crouse has shown a nice power tool with 23 extra-base hits in 212 plate appearances across the two levels this season.  He's mostly been a right-fielder as a pro and so his future is in the corners.  For a 19-year old to show solid plate discipline and power at Lansing, a tough place for young hitters, is a good sign, although it was just an 105 plate appearance sample.  Still, Crouse is someone about whom we have not likely heard the last.  Crouse was one that Tom picked up on.  

33.  Griffin Murphy (new to the system):  Murphy, a 2nd round draftee a few months ago, is a nice-looking pitching prospect.  The tall, lefty starter throws a fastball in the 93 mph area and a curveball that is well-regarded.  Murphy's third pitch, a changeup, is a work in progress but a pitch for which he is said to have a good feel, giving him a chance at being a legitimate starter if his pitches continue to progress and he continues to improve control-wise.  He's not seasoned enough for full-season ball, I don't think, so we'll likely have to wait until June or so to see him pitch.  I had Murphy ranked higher than Tom did.  

32.  K.C. Hobson (13th last year):  Another of Tom's favs, Hobson, son of former major-leaguer Butch Hobson, was drafted in the 6th round in 2009 but didn't get to play pro ball until this year.  The first baseman didn't have the season you'd like, hitting .271/.303/.403 between the GCL and Lansing, but the Jays liked him enough to move him to Lansing, so that's good.  Hobson did show some power but he's going to need to improve that approach to make it as a first-base prospect.  Still, he just turned 20 in August and of course he has the pedigree, so he'll have plenty more chances.  

31.  Adam Loewen (not ranked last year):  Everybody knows his story - former top pitching prospect, career-ending arm injuries, trying to remake himself as a position player.  On one hand, as Tom mentioned while we were hashing this list out (I think more of Loewen at this point than Tom, I think it's fair to say), Loewen was 26 this season and hasn't really broken out offensively.  On the other hand, my point, the big British Columbia native improved substantially over his previous year's performance while facing AA pitching for the first time, which is very hard to do.  He's just had two seasons of hitting experience as a pro and he did have a solid year, hitting .246/.351/.412, with 31 doubles, 3 triples, and 13 home runs.  Loewen also added 17 steals (in 23 tries).  I don't see how Loewen could have done much better than he has in the two seasons the Jays gave him as a hitter to figure out what they had - if you can hold your own in AA in just your second pro season, that's pretty good, and you have to like that approach.  On the other hand, time is working against Loewen.  He really can't afford a down year in his situation so the pressure will be on yet again.  

For just another small data point, Loewen trashed Arizona Fall League pitching this season, hitting .333/.438/.667 with 5 dingers in 14 games.  

Join us next time for 30-21.  

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Nice to see that we need a top 40 this year….
Sickel has 14 of our prospects at b- or better… (even though only Drabek got away with an A-)

If the prospects of our 2010 draft are close as good as we´re told at the moment…. i like our future ;)
Really looking forward to see the next draft… which is really deep and brings us a lot of pics in the first 3 rounds.

"Without a catcher we´ll have a lot of passed balls!" Casey Stengel

by jaysfanfromeurope on Nov 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I bet Tampa is too

They are potentially losing 3 Type A’s and 4 Type B’s, even though they didn’t offer arbitration to 1 Type A and 1 Type B.

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

TZK...TZK... Disagreements among the bigwigs?

If you guys can’t agree, what are the rest of us, simpletons that we are, to do?

I’m feeling lost here!

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Nov 22, 2010 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

not trying to air disagreements, haha

just to give folks an idea about where we are compromising.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 22, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

And on a more serious note:

Seems like Farina, for a #40, is well thought off by the brass…

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Nov 22, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah I was going to mention that too

I feel like Farina should be higher than #40

Jose Bautista has a higher midi-chlorian count than you do.

by Jays11 on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe he should

the Jays definitely like him – I generally don’t like ranking guys who are already relievers in the low minors too highly unless they project as possible shutdown closers. The other thing is that Farina is just one season removed from an awful performance in 2009. I do think Farina could be a maintstay in the Jays’ bullpen if he continues to progress – it’s more a question of the ceiling of value that provides to the team compared to that of other prospects.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty tough to put him all that much higher off one good season

The 55 innings he pitched this year are by far the most he has pitched in a season. The last couple of years he walked way too many and he still walked 4.5 per 9 in New Hampshire this year.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 22, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I do not understand all the Farina love at all. Although obviously the Jays brass is much smarter than me, so what, exactly, do I know?

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you some

He wasn’t on our list at first, but we traded Farquhar, so we had an extra spot, picking Farina was a bit of a tip of the hat to the idea the Jays know more than us. But I really don’t see him as more of a prospect than Frank Gailey who has had good number in the pen for 4 seasons now and doesn’t walk many while striking out a bunch.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 22, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

aren't you supposed to be on holiday?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 22, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm I'm having troubles...I replied and it didn't go in as a reply and now it is gone....

Yeah I was going to be away but we got a dump of snow and it is cold, I decided not to chance the highway. I was just going up to Edmonton to see my boy and Christmas shop. I can wait a couple of weeks.

My wife and youngest are in Houston and will be at the Rockets/Suns game tonight. Wish it was on TV, they have great seats. I’m sure a red head in a Nash Jersey would stand out pretty good.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 22, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Griffin Murphy has a lot more upside than most on this list. Of course, we want pro data, but out of these guys he probably has the best chance of becoming an important major league player. Farina en Carreno could become good bullpen guys I think.

by Woodman663 on Nov 22, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

A suggestion

If the prospect was on last year’s list, could you please put the position (or mark as new). It is nice to see what direction a prospect is moving, even if the farm system is a bit fuller now.

Thanks!

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 22, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions  

great idea

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 22, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you liked it...

Rec me next time…

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Nov 23, 2010 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Anytime you get compared to Mary Poppins, it’s really an honour. I’m overwhelmed.

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

As it's our duty, were quite honored to overwhelm you.

It’s a well known fact that you guys from the prairies are not the sort to be easily overwhelmed…

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Nov 24, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

What else do you know about the prairies? (I’m a bit afraid to ask)

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Their oysters aren’t from the sea?

by siggian on Nov 24, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

After spending 10 months in Cold Lake, AB?

Craziest lightning storms on earth?

  1. cause for car accidents is the equation of “cruise control + slightly curving roads = falling asleep on the wheel => car on its head in a ditch”?

(I’ll spare you the all-too-worn line about the runaway dog…)

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Nov 25, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Adam Loewen

I like Adam Loewen, but wonder if we’re not letting his potential feel-good story and the fact he’s Canadian over-inflate his value in our eyes. He didn’t appear on John Sickels top-40 list, so I asked him what he thought about him. Some debate in the comments, with a few people coming down on either side of whether he’s really a top prospect or just an interesting curiosity at this point.

by jabalong on Nov 22, 2010 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

Its tough...

I had him just off my list but it depends if you consider him a 26 year old or if you consider him a 2nd year pro hitter. As a second year pro, he’s doing great, more than holding his own at AA. At 26, this coming year is really important.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 22, 2010 7:50 PM EST up reply actions  

a valid point, but I'm not really one for feel-good stories

and being a Yank I couldn’t care less whether he’s Canadian.

Any other his age coming off a so-so year in AA wouldn’t be a prospect, but with Loewen it’s important to remember:

1. he’s only had two professional seasons as a hitter
2. while he was obviously drafted as a pitching phenom, plenty of people at the time thought he had lots of potential as a hitter as well
3. he substantially improved in his first go-around at AA, which is pretty tough to do. His strikeout rate dropped while his walk rate remained excellent and he added power. Not many people manage that in their first shot at AA.
4. He just seems to keep improving, with a fantastic performance in the AFL

It’s really hard to objectively evaluate him because the traditional ways you normally look at prospects don’t really lend themselves to stories like Loewen’s. While Ankiel is a bit of a comp, Loewen seems to be a very different hitter, with a better approach at the plate but without the power tool that made Ankiel almost instantly viable as a hitter, particularly when coupled with his ability to play centre.

Odds may be that Loewen won’t be able to make it back to the majors, but I’m not sure anyone could have reasonably expected him to perform any better than he has over the past two seasons. Given what he’s done so far, I’m not sure whether he’s overstated at 31 here or not. I see the argument that he is but at the same time without real comps it’s very hard to say.

I respect Sickels as much as anyone in this business but in the case of Loewen I think you need to look at it in context that I’m not sure you have unless you’ve been following the Jays’ system for the past few years.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 22, 2010 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s definitely an interesting case.

Out of curiosity, the discussion around him understandably always focuses on his conversion to a hitter as a pro, but how does he rate defensively as an outfielder? Also is he expected to start next season at AA again or might he make the jump to AAA out of Spring Training?

by jabalong on Nov 22, 2010 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent points

Bottom line for me is that this year will probably be telling for Loewen. If he can repeat his year last year or (even better) force his way up a level, I think it’s difficult not to consider him a worthwhile prospect.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Nov 23, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

thought Carreno would've been higher given his peripherals (did he lead the FSL in K's?)

It’s gonna be fun to watch him next season. Getting a little old for the level though, so I can see why he’s not near the top 20.

by REMO on Nov 22, 2010 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Crouse and Carreno look interesting right now

Everyone else… not so much.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM EST reply actions  

Excluding Murphy and Hobson, who don’t have much/any data on them yet.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Nov 22, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but then again thats why its the 30-40 part of the list

by JohnnyG on Nov 23, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

those 500 comments from the other day

wasn’t enough rumour/conjecture for you?

by SuckaMD on Nov 23, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you know if SB Nation is ever going to add the CFL?

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Only the Canadian NHL, NBA, and MLB teams. I don’t see why they wouldn’t want more visitors though.

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

They have some EPL sites under their soccer group. Interesting that there isn’t a TFC blog yet.

by siggian on Nov 24, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think if someone came to them with something interesting

They would consider a CFL blog. It has come up a couple of times, talking to the PTB here. Someone would have to show them there is a potential of getting a decent amount of page views.

They do have several EPL team blogs.

by Tom Dakers on Nov 24, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

nm, soccer. EPL is a TLA for English Premier League

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the answer too. Their should be some potential views in the West anyway.

by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for that

Romero/Stewart/D’Arnaud

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Nov 24, 2010 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

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