Manny?
by Tom Dakers on Nov 24, 2010 12:11 PM EST
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PrintSo, reading between the lines of some recent Alex Anthopoulos interviews, I had the idea that Manny Ramirez would be signed as right after the deadline for offering arbitration. Now, I realize that Alex is way to smart to give anything away, even in between the lines, but I still think that they have an agreement in place with him.
They couldn't have Manny sign a contract before the deadline because they'd be giving up a draft pick, so they couldn't announce it right after the deadline last night. They'd have to wait till they could get together with Manny get his name on the contract. And, since the Jays would want a press conference then he is signed they really can't announce today, since tomorrow is Thanksgiving on the other side of the border. I guess we are going to have to wait until next week, at the earliest, to hear if Ramirez is a Jay.
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Lee
I’d rather we sign Derrek Lee; better fit for our needs and I’m betting he has another good year in him
Lee would actually be a fine choice
but he’ll probably get one more big contract. Manny can almost certainly be had for a one-year deal with a club option for not too much money. getting Lee would be nice, but they’ve been pretty much a wash offensively for the past few years (Manny was substantially better in 2010 though, and 50 points higher wOBA career). the main benefit would be keeping Lind at DH, but I doubt Lind is going to be so horrible at first, and bringing in an old guy to DH means you can play him more often with less concern for injuries.
that said, if they get Lee for cheap (they won’t) it’d be fun to see
I’d like to see it too, but I just have a hard time believing that DLee would have any interest in playing in TO.
by TakeoutArtist on Nov 24, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
even if Lee could be had for similar $$$ to Manny
he’ll definitely command more years
May as well get Pujols and Crawford at the same time.
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by leafsfan4life94 on Nov 24, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
On another Jays Site
Someone posted that Beeston was interviewed on FAN590 and said that they were not interested in giving older players 1-2 year contracts as if to dispel an Manny rumors. I did not hear this personally so I’m not sure if this is true or not.
I’m in agreement with most of you here… I think that Manny would be worth taking a serious look at. One or two years does not cripple the ball club or keep a younger player off the ML roster. I can live with Lind at 1B.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 24, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions
Plus
If Lind stinks at 1B, he can be moved back to DH the next year. Worth the risk,IMO.
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by Kurupt on Nov 24, 2010 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Manny isn't blocking anyone
I heard it too, but i took as they won’t bring in veterans and block the growth of our young guys ie. JP or Snider. We need to get a 1B/DH, so I don’t thiink it applies to Manny or someone else to play 1B/DH
would prefer VLAD, THOME over MANNY for DH
Always been a fan of Vladimir and he would be a nice DH, but I don’t think he’s willing to come to TO. Surprised Texas didn’t pick up his option, but sources close to him are almost certain he will be back in Texas next year.
I would also love THOME as the Jays DH. Maybe we can snag him out of the Twins.
Manny has too much baggage and uncertainties. No doubt he’s an RBI machine but only when he’s healthy and when he wants to.
by Marcos Montenegro on Nov 24, 2010 1:31 PM EST reply actions
as a DH, he'll stay healthy
and he’s said he wants to play for the Jays/Farrell. I don’t see why that would be a problem. Aside from this past year, he’s also been significantly better than Thome the last several seasons. And he still had a higher OBA than Thome during 2010, Manny’s down year.
the thing is...
he currently is healthy and he wants to prove he can play AND probably most importantly he’s said he wants to play for John Farrell so all these things add up to Manny having a massive year in Toronto.
I like Thome too – a gentleman of the game and great example to our young players. With Manny I just dread the potential drama of “Manny being Manny” episodes. Who needs the distraction of an ageing prima donna with baggage?
when he is
a first-ballot Hall of Fame hitter, and he OBAs you .400, we do. Thome was good last year, but Manny is just a year removed from a 5 oWAR full season and put up nearly 7 oWAR in 2008. I just don’t think Thome can do what he did this year again, while Manny has been great for years – the past few being no exception, really
If the Jays want to bring in a veteran bat, how about Carlos Pena?
Carlos Pena would be really good with the Jays. He’s coming off an off year but brings significant power at 1B. He’s also an above average defensive 1B and knows the AL East very well. He wasn’t offered arbitration so to sign him requires no compensation.
Could be an incentive laden deal, with tonnes of options, much like the Gregg deal from last year.
someone will give him guaranteed money
for several years. He won’t sign a Gregg type deal.
i like this option too...
but I really think the Jays will want Lind in the field.
Manny?
Manny!
He’s rarely boring.
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by craig in calgary on Nov 24, 2010 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Can’t wait to see what he’ll do for the first press conference
by Minor Leaguer on Nov 24, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh. Is this really the kind of sideshow we want this year, when we’ve got such a great young team with a good vibe. I want the stories out of spring training to be about all the good stuff we’ve got going, not about Manny being Manny.
I keep hearing how terrible he is..
but then his teams have been in the playoffs 11 times…I could do with him being a terrible person if we win.
He can't be as bad as Hillenbrand.
I think I’ll say that for every controversial player rumoured to join the Jays.
by Minor Leaguer on Nov 24, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
Nothing can be worse than that “sinking ship” d bag….. Forgot about him! Lol
by ddbumpus on Nov 25, 2010 12:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hillenbrand's career is a sinking ship
by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 25, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
True Story
Hillenbrand actually has an at home business called Sinking Ships, it specializes in paintings of famous schooners and ships in various stages of sinking. He was just advertising on the Blue Jays clubhouse whiteboard when he wrote “This is a sinking ship…” At which point he went to get finer tipped markers to draw the ship.
All a big misunderstanding.
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Let’s face it, our new manager is fully aware of what he’d be dealing with in Manny being Manny. There’s no way the Jays would sign Manny without the full blessing of Farrell.
by siggian on Nov 25, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know this isn’t on topic,
But awhile ago when we were discussing the “latin nanny” issue it came up that some people didn’t think it was a big deal, as many of our players could speak English so it wouldn’t matter. I countered with an example of me being in a foreign country and being able to communicate but how it would make me feel better if another Canadian had shown up and we could shoot the shit in English and what not.
There is an article on the globe and mails site today that talks about the three Swedish players on the Leafs and how comfortable it makes it for them to have a group of them that hang out and talk about their stuff going on back home.
Not saying… just saying.
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So the Jays should be more like the Leafs? I understand your point though :)
by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 24, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
So.....
In 4th place and below .500 is what you’re saying? Lol….. Had to throw that in there.
by ddbumpus on Nov 25, 2010 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They are 11/15 in their conference. They should trade their 2012 and 2013 1st round draft picks to make a playoff run (This is the year!)
by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 25, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Point taken
As I’m the one behind the “latino Nanny” post, I just want to clarify that my objection was to that being a criteria for picking a coach/manager.
I definitely agree with Johnny “Wielder of the Mace” here. Having other players from the same background surely helps. They’re supposed to be your buddies. A member of the staff, however, should be a member of the staff. Not the players’ buddy/translator/nanny. If the organization identifies a need for translation (as happens a lot with Japanese players, for example), they should hire a professional translator. If they need a psychologist, hire one.
And if they need a Nanny… well… I know several qualified ones here in my building…
Festina Lente
Sorry it was directed so much at your comment of Latin Nanny, I just used that because I know people would immediately know what I was talking about.
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Don't be so canadian, Johnny...
No need to apologize. You provided me with the opportunity to clarify a bit.
Festina Lente
Sorry for apologizing…..
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by JohnnyG on Nov 25, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How about Matsui? I think the Jays could use a LH bat near the top of the order. Matsui could fit nicely in the 2 spot if one of Escobar/Davis lead off.
My first guess is the Yankess are all over him, but it would be a good idea to at least check on him.
he's not nearly as good as Manny
And Davis should not lead off, ever.
by SuckaMD on Nov 25, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ever?
so if he gets back to 2009 numbers? and steals bases? never ever?
by upstate jay fan on Nov 25, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
His career OBP is 330. Even in 2009 it was 360. He just doesn’t walk enough to justify the extra at bats being at the top of the order
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he can still steal bases as the number 9 hitter
and you keep his average-at-best OBA from getting too many plate appearances.
About Matsui
we have enough guys that can’t hit lefties….
by Tom Dakers on Nov 25, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Godzilla is getting very close to falling off a cliff, career-wise. I don’t know why I feel this, because his season numbers last year are slightly down from his previous year, but not dramatically. But I just feel that he’s about ready to implode, and I hate for the Jays to be the one holding his contract when he does.
one could easily say that about Manny, too
not that you are necessarily wrong about Matsui, but making personnel decisions based on hunches isn’t usually the way to go. The way to justify getting Manny over Matsui is that Manny is just plain better at hitting (not as good at fielding, but we’re getting a DH so that doesnt matter).
Did you know ‘Godzilla’ was originally a derogatory nickname? He received that nickname because he had a skin condition.
by JaysSaskatchewan on Nov 25, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Most nicknames start out as making fun.
I knew this one guy we called Pugs
Started out as Pugsley because he wore a striped shirt to school one day and was bashed relentlessly for it. Stuck for life
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Thought I would chime in
I’m somewhat on the fence about Manny being a Jay. I actually think there could be a humerous side to this. I can see a similarity to the Johnny Damon scenario last off season. Can you imagine ole Scott Boros calling up AA and trying to convince him that Manny would be a good fit for TO. To me that would almost be too funny considering Boros’s ego and aristocratic attitude about his clients.
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