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Today in Blue Jay History

Five years ago today the Blue Jays signed B.J. Ryan to a 5 year, $47 million contract. For the $47 million we got one very good season (2005: 38 saves, 1.37 ERA), one good season (2008: 32 saves, 2.95), one season cut short by injury (2007), one awful season (2009: 2 saves, 6.53) and one season sitting at home (2010).

I'd love to link to the Bluebird Banter story from the day of the trade but BBB didn't wouldn't open up shop for another week or so. But when it did, Richard Wade wrote:

Turning to Ryan's deal, I have a hard time getting past the decision to give a five year deal to a reliever. To avoid getting overly negative, we'll focus purely on what Ryan provides on the field rather than what he costs off of it.

So you could stay he wasn't thrilled. 

At Batter's Box 'Pistol' wrote:

Given that Ryan has no real injury history and has had a relatively light workload over his career (381 innings) I don't think the risk involved with a 5 year contract is as worrisome as it might appear at first.

Whoops.

As it turned out, it was way too much money for a relief pitcher. JP really should have know better. It is easy to say with hide-sight hindsight, but long term contracts for relievers rarely work out. 

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Sorry… but hide-sight?

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by ohmybosh on Nov 29, 2010 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

Ryan's 2008 was more "it's better to be lucky than good."

He was KG before KG.

I’ll admit that I was happy at the time. Shows what little I knew. I wasn’t really following the Jays that closely back then thanks to the fumble fingered Gord Ash era (Esteban Loaiza??!!!??!?!? ESTEBAN!!!!!!!!)

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 29, 2010 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

One could make a case for it

But David Wells really did suck for the White Sox so it sort of worked out. Haha Kenny W.

The Loaiza trade (for alleged playoff contention!) hurt more because the player the Rangers got was some SS named Michael Young who probably would have been a better option at SS than Chris Woodward.

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 30, 2010 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

terrible, terrible deal

and terrible luck, but he was a pretty good reliever before the injury bug

by benk on Nov 29, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

so, BBB

has always been wiser than Batters Box?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 29, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

Well…..til I signed on….

by Tom Dakers on Nov 30, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

When it comes to closers, I don’t consider saves, which is a silly stat. I just look at ERA, IP, and WHIP.

by Defense Counts! on Nov 30, 2010 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

some of those are sort of silly when used to evaluate relief pitchers, too

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 30, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, a replacement reliever will have a 1:1 ratio and an average MLB reliever should be 1.6:1

by siggian on Nov 30, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Pistol

Poor Pistol being singled out like this.

As it turns out, that was likely the last time Pistol defended a JP decision.

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2010 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah we all look great in hindsight.

Remember when I insisted Bautista was a platoon player at the start of the year? Good Times.

Never Explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway - Elbert Hubbard
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by JohnnyG on Nov 30, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He would have been an awesome platoon player!!

by ayjackson on Nov 30, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Never thought of it that way. Nice.

Never Explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway - Elbert Hubbard
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by JohnnyG on Nov 30, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

against righties for sure

but based on his past performance you’d never use him that way

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Nov 30, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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