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Hall of Fame Poll: Tim Raines

If there is one guy on the list that I'd like to see in the Hall it would be Tim Raines. It is Tim's 4th time on the ballot, last year he got 30.4%. For me, he's the second best leadoff hitter ever. 

He had a great 23 year career, had 2605 hits, 1571 runs, 170 homers, 430 doubles, 808 steals and a .294/.385/.425 line. Was on 7 All-Star teams, 1 Silver Sluggers. He is 50th on the runs scored list and 5th on steals. His full stats are here.

Here is a page making the case for Rock.

I guess loses some votes for the cocaine use, but I always wonder why the ones that wouldn't vote for him would vote for Paul Molitor.

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Would you vote Tim Raines into the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Yes
321 votes
No
53 votes

374 votes | Poll has closed

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clearly deserving

best of luck, Rock

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Dec 12, 2010 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Raines in the HOF is a no-brainer. I was astonished that he was mired in the 20% range in his first year and my appreciation for the incompetence of the voters is renewed on an annual basis now when I check Raines’ percentage.

by njd on Dec 12, 2010 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

From the sponsor of his Baseball Reference page

“Our first baseball game together was Rock’s first game back from the ’87 collusion – 4 for 5, grand slam in the 10th to beat the Mets. She had a hero for life, and a year later, we were married. He remains her favorite; she remains mine.”

Gotta love that. Go Rock.

by HDave on Dec 13, 2010 12:20 PM EST reply actions  

Interesting

While I vote yes for Raines, something strikes me as interesting about the public’s treatment of drug use.

When it come’s to on-field forms of rule-breaking, baseball has long been much more lenient toward cheating as compare to tanking. Scuffing a ball, is frowned upon, and a player caught doctoring a ball might face a fine or suspension, but his legacy will largely remain intact. See Perry, Gaylord. A player proven to have fixed a game, however, will not be forgiven so easily.

Yet, when it come to drug use, a player who used an illegal drug that may have negatively impacted his health and led to more losses is forgiven much more easily than a player who broke the exact same rule, yet used a drug that may have positively improved his performance and helped his team win.

by WilsonC on Dec 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

That would have been true,if....

PED would have been taken seriously. It is not. Comparing to most other sports, Baseball is WAY to lenient on PEDs.
If someone uses cocaine (or playing while roaring drunk) and debilitates himself he’s damaging his OWN career. Player who uses PED gets an unfair advantage over OTHER players. That hurts the most basic principle of sport – fair competition.

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Dec 15, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

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