Poll Time: Octavio Dotel
Since my mind is on holiday schedule, there isn't anything I really want to talk about this morning. Glad my body is going to be following my mind pretty soon. We are off to Mexico on the 28th. I can't wait to be warm again.
About the only real news in the baseball world, is that the idiot that killed Nick Adenhart and his friends got sentenced to 51 years in prison. Nothing could be enough punishment really.
The only real Blue Jay rumor is that the team is 'interested' in Octavio Dotel. Dotel has had a pretty good 12 year career, but he is 37 now. He has 105 career saves and had 22 last year. He also walked a batter every 2 innings, but did strike out 10.5/9.
I'll admit I'm not one that thinks that experience at closer is all that important, but then we could always use another good arm in the pen. I just don't think Dotel is that good an arm anymore.
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He's decent enough
to get a one year $2 million dea plus an option. Then we can decline it to get a draft pick or two next year
+1 ide go for that, don’t know that he would.
"I'm not drinking and driving, I'm driving while I'm drinking....Right boys!?"
I’m all for one-year contracts plus club option, decline option, get supplemental pick, rinse and repeat. But Dotel will be 38 one year now so he could break down at any time and there’s no guarantee he’ll be a Type B free agent again. And there’s always the risk with this strategy that the player accepts arbitration. Not saying I wouldn’t do it, I’m just not convinced that Dotel at his age is a good candidate for this. And frankly, we’re supposed to be getting younger, so I’d rather see some of the young guys step up in the bullpen this year.
I'm probably in a minority here, but I'm perfectly content with the bullpen arms the jays already have.
And I’d rather see some combination of inexperienced bullpen arms + whoever doesn’t make it into the 5th rotation spot next year given a chance to show us what they have. I think it would be a lot less disastrous than were building it up to be. There’s already more than enough talent there to fill in the three bullpen spots left vacant.
I am too
Villenueva
Frasor
Purcey
Camp
Janssen
are locked in
Carlson
Roenicke
Mills
Ray
Richmond
one of Litsch or Rzep
All fighting for the last 2 spots. I’m happy with that.
I don't get the American Legal system
The guy who commited vehicular homicide that killed Adenhart got 51 years.
Donte Stallworth who commited the same crime got 24 days in prison and is currently making $900K per year playing for the Ravens.
Hugo?
by craig in calgary on Dec 23, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions
Jurisdictions and depending on situation (I.E Drinking, reckless abandonment etc etc) How many people injured/killed adds or decreases the count of offenses
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And see below for JayTeam’s comment.
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Gallo was on probation
for felony drunk driving. As part of the probation, he signed an agreement that stated he could be charged with murder if he killed anyone while driving drunk. Not going to defend Stallworth’s slap on the wrist, but the circumstances were different.
I didn't know he was on probation for drunk driving.
However 24 days in prison? I don’t care if “only” 1 guy died or what the situation was…24 days is rediculous.
by craig in calgary on Dec 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I remember an article
Stating that Donte actually got more than he lawyers thought he would. His lawyers wanted to go to court and fight it, with the mindset that they would win, but it was Stallworth who ultimately declared himself guilty and accepted the plea bargain.
Also, the pedestrian ran in front of Stallworth’s car outside of the intersection.
Not defending him, but those facts make it easier not to hate him.
Proud member of the AL North
I heard something along the lines of the pedestrian being drunk as well...
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Dec 24, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Seems similar
to the Gregg signing of last year. One year plus a club option sounds like a decent idea. Could be good.
I actually really like this idea. As it stands Toronto is sitting with a fairly inexperienced bullpen. The only two that can be really called vets are Frasor and Camp. While I’m not personally one to believe and assigned closer is necessary; it does give our RPs something to strive towards. I think we can all agree that Fraser does have the inside track on the CP role, but he fail in that (again) Dotel could provide the same insurance that Gregg did in 2010. That all said, I still would have preferred the Jays made a bigger play for Jesse Crain (who I believe was the best RP on the market this winter).
by AErskine on Dec 23, 2010 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
"Inexperienced"?
I’d hardly call a BP that consists Frasor, Janssen, Camp, Villanueva (and maybe Carlson and Richmond) “inexperienced”.
Festina Lente
Sign him, let him close, hope he succeeds and picks up some of that closer “mystique” that makes otherwise crappy relievers like Gregg worth millions and millions of dollars, hopefully flip him for something at the deadline, or hopefully get a pick or two after a “good” season.
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by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 23, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions
I am all for another one and done, get a pick next year type of closer as long as we have/will have a premium closer when we are a real contender.
I can't see us getting it
If Dotel puts good enough numbers to sustain his type B status, I can’t see him declining arbitration. If he accepts arbitration – no pick for us.
Festina Lente
Want to change my vote
Didn’t realize Dotel is that “old”
Dotel, Rauch, Fuentes
Whoever we can get on a one year deal. Wait until the teams desperate, (and most often foolish) enough have given out the multi-year contracts and we then sign one of the leftovers. Make a deal that the club will not offer arb if they become a Type A and player will refuse arb if they’re Type B.
I wouldn’t mind adding 2 of those guys.
Considering Dotel was traded at the deadline for James MacDonald, I think it isn’t a bad idea to land a guy with the intention of flipping him at the deadline if he has a good first half. And lefty relievers always get you something at the deadline, so I wouldn’t mind Fuentes as well.
If the price is right, why not? Work the kids into those higher-leverage situations slowly. Veteran presence can’t hurt in the bullpen, and you don’t have to worry about running Purcey out there for 70-80 appearances.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
Price being a factor of course I would much prefer Rauch and Fuentes over Dotel
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