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Since my mind is on holiday schedule, there isn't anything I really want to talk about this morning. Glad my body is going to be following my mind pretty soon. We are off to Mexico on the 28th. I can't wait to be warm again.

About the only real news in the baseball world, is that the idiot that killed Nick Adenhart and his friends got sentenced to 51 years in prison. Nothing could be enough punishment really. 

The only real Blue Jay rumor is that the team is 'interested' in Octavio Dotel. Dotel has had a pretty good 12 year career, but he is 37 now. He has 105 career saves and had 22 last year. He also walked a batter every 2 innings, but did strike out 10.5/9.

I'll admit I'm not one that thinks that experience at closer is all that important, but then we could always use another good arm in the pen. I just don't think Dotel is that good an arm anymore. 

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Should the Jays sign Octavio Dotel?
Yes
255 votes
No
308 votes

563 votes | Poll has closed

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Let Octavio dot com sign elsewhere...

I’d rather have Purcey for closer

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Dec 23, 2010 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

He's decent enough

to get a one year $2 million dea plus an option. Then we can decline it to get a draft pick or two next year

by lambo on Dec 23, 2010 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

+1 ide go for that, don’t know that he would.

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by kudzupo on Dec 23, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m all for one-year contracts plus club option, decline option, get supplemental pick, rinse and repeat. But Dotel will be 38 one year now so he could break down at any time and there’s no guarantee he’ll be a Type B free agent again. And there’s always the risk with this strategy that the player accepts arbitration. Not saying I wouldn’t do it, I’m just not convinced that Dotel at his age is a good candidate for this. And frankly, we’re supposed to be getting younger, so I’d rather see some of the young guys step up in the bullpen this year.

by jabalong on Dec 23, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm probably in a minority here, but I'm perfectly content with the bullpen arms the jays already have.

And I’d rather see some combination of inexperienced bullpen arms + whoever doesn’t make it into the 5th rotation spot next year given a chance to show us what they have. I think it would be a lot less disastrous than were building it up to be. There’s already more than enough talent there to fill in the three bullpen spots left vacant.

by Spitballer on Dec 23, 2010 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

I am too

Villenueva
Frasor
Purcey
Camp
Janssen

are locked in

Carlson
Roenicke
Mills
Ray
Richmond
one of Litsch or Rzep

All fighting for the last 2 spots. I’m happy with that.

by masterkembo on Dec 24, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The only question is who is the closer? No one here has dominate stuff. If this was it, I’d probably go with Camp, but I like the thought of Camp being the new Scott Downs (8th inning guy). I’ll cry if I see Frasor closing games again.

I’m guessing that Janssen is the new long reliever.

by The Playa on Dec 24, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the American Legal system

The guy who commited vehicular homicide that killed Adenhart got 51 years.
Donte Stallworth who commited the same crime got 24 days in prison and is currently making $900K per year playing for the Ravens.

Hugo?

by craig in calgary on Dec 23, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

Jurisdictions and depending on situation (I.E Drinking, reckless abandonment etc etc) How many people injured/killed adds or decreases the count of offenses

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by JohnnyG on Dec 23, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

And see below for JayTeam’s comment.

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by JohnnyG on Dec 23, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know if Donte was a repeat offender and I’m too lazy to google and find out. The other idiot was still on probation for DUI when he killed those three. I have absolutely no sympathy for him.

by siggian on Dec 24, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallo was on probation

for felony drunk driving. As part of the probation, he signed an agreement that stated he could be charged with murder if he killed anyone while driving drunk. Not going to defend Stallworth’s slap on the wrist, but the circumstances were different.

by JayTeam on Dec 23, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

I didn't know he was on probation for drunk driving.

However 24 days in prison? I don’t care if “only” 1 guy died or what the situation was…24 days is rediculous.

by craig in calgary on Dec 23, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember an article

Stating that Donte actually got more than he lawyers thought he would. His lawyers wanted to go to court and fight it, with the mindset that they would win, but it was Stallworth who ultimately declared himself guilty and accepted the plea bargain.

Also, the pedestrian ran in front of Stallworth’s car outside of the intersection.

Not defending him, but those facts make it easier not to hate him.

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by Vagabond13 on Dec 23, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard something along the lines of the pedestrian being drunk as well...

I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.

by leafsfan4life94 on Dec 24, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems similar

to the Gregg signing of last year. One year plus a club option sounds like a decent idea. Could be good.

by Mike Friesen on Dec 23, 2010 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

I actually really like this idea. As it stands Toronto is sitting with a fairly inexperienced bullpen. The only two that can be really called vets are Frasor and Camp. While I’m not personally one to believe and assigned closer is necessary; it does give our RPs something to strive towards. I think we can all agree that Fraser does have the inside track on the CP role, but he fail in that (again) Dotel could provide the same insurance that Gregg did in 2010. That all said, I still would have preferred the Jays made a bigger play for Jesse Crain (who I believe was the best RP on the market this winter).

by AErskine on Dec 23, 2010 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

"Inexperienced"?

I’d hardly call a BP that consists Frasor, Janssen, Camp, Villanueva (and maybe Carlson and Richmond) “inexperienced”.

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Dec 24, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Sign him, let him close, hope he succeeds and picks up some of that closer “mystique” that makes otherwise crappy relievers like Gregg worth millions and millions of dollars, hopefully flip him for something at the deadline, or hopefully get a pick or two after a “good” season.

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by Goonisis on Dec 23, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Sure, but Gregg was only 31 when we signed him, Dotel is 37 now.

by jabalong on Dec 23, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions  

“There’s no such thing as a bad one-year contract”, Sombody

by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 23, 2010 7:14 PM EST reply actions  

I am all for another one and done, get a pick next year type of closer as long as we have/will have a premium closer when we are a real contender.

by Joey P on Dec 23, 2010 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree. Let’s get that sandwich pick.

by Woodman663 on Dec 23, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see us getting it

If Dotel puts good enough numbers to sustain his type B status, I can’t see him declining arbitration. If he accepts arbitration – no pick for us.

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Dec 24, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Want to change my vote

Didn’t realize Dotel is that “old”

by Gautam on Dec 24, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Dotel, Rauch, Fuentes

Whoever we can get on a one year deal. Wait until the teams desperate, (and most often foolish) enough have given out the multi-year contracts and we then sign one of the leftovers. Make a deal that the club will not offer arb if they become a Type A and player will refuse arb if they’re Type B.

by JayTeam on Dec 24, 2010 12:38 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind adding 2 of those guys.

Considering Dotel was traded at the deadline for James MacDonald, I think it isn’t a bad idea to land a guy with the intention of flipping him at the deadline if he has a good first half. And lefty relievers always get you something at the deadline, so I wouldn’t mind Fuentes as well.

If the price is right, why not? Work the kids into those higher-leverage situations slowly. Veteran presence can’t hurt in the bullpen, and you don’t have to worry about running Purcey out there for 70-80 appearances.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Dec 24, 2010 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Price being a factor of course I would much prefer Rauch and Fuentes over Dotel

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by JohnnyG on Dec 24, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I would not disagree with that at all.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Dec 24, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Woo!

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Dec 24, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my brain exploded

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by kudzupo on Dec 24, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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