Wednesday Rzepczynski Banter: Snowed In (Again)
Well, we just survived 2 1/2 feet of snow here in Washington over the weekend, only to face another big snowfall today. Not sure of the inchage, but things are pretty well shut down here for more or less the 5th day in a row (we did get a semblance of return to normalcy yesterday for a few hours, though schools and many workplaces, including the federal government, were still shut down).
Me, I like snow, so I don't mind, though it's been hard to get work done with intermittent power loss and being stuck in the house with an almost 3-year old. I've trudged out to a couple of coffee houses just to get some work done. Sledding with the little one has been fun, and Mrs. Hugo is ecstatic that her entire school week has been called off (make no mistake, snow days are for the teachers).
But with the constant white-out, it's been hard to remember that spring training is just around the corner. Typically, when spring training starts down in Florida, spring in Washington isn't too far behind.
Anyway, enough about that. I thought this fangraphs piece on Marc Rzepczynski was interesting:
This past year, Rzepczynski zipped from Double-A to the majors. He began 2009 in the Eastern League, compiling a 2.64 FIP in 76.2 innings with 10.3 K/9 and 4.2 BB/9. Rzepczynski’s stuff passed the two-level jump with flying colors, and he burned worms with a 61 GB%. After just two starts at Triple-A (11.1 IP, 16/4 K/BB), Rzepczynski reached the majors in early July.
In 11 starts and 61.1 innings with Toronto, the 24 year-old had a promising 3.70 xFIP (Expected Fielding Independent ERA, based on strikeouts, walks and a normalized home run per fly ball rate). He struck out 8.8 hitters per nine frames, with 4.4 BB/9 and a 51.2 percent groundball rate. Not wanting Rzepczynski to zoom past the previous year’s innings pitched total (he threw 28.1 more IP in 2009 than in ‘08), the Jays shut him down in early September.
I definitely encourage you all to read the whole thing. Rzep has flown under the radar outside of Jays-dom, with first-round lefties Ricky Romero and Brett Cecil grabbing more of the attention. We took our guesses at what Marc's 2010 would look like a few days ago. Rzep is somewhat similar to Cecil in that he combines a sinking fastball and effective slider and while Cecil has typically been thought of as having the higher ceiling, Rzepczynski had the better mlb debut last season, using his arsenal to greater effect:
Rzepczynski tossed his 88 MPH sinker 55 percent of the time with Toronto, going to his 80 MPH slider a whopping 39 percent and sprinkling in some 82 MPH changeups (six percent). It’s difficult to glean much from such a small sample size, but Rzepczynski scuffled with the sinker (-1.05 runs per 100 pitches) while baffling batters with the slider (+2.9 runs/100).
That is a lot of sliders. My guess is that he will need to change speeds a bit more against right-handed hitters in 2010 if he wants to continue his effectiveness, but it's an open question as to whether his changeup is good enough to sustain additional use.
The biggest questions about Rzepczynski going forward are (1) the extent to which his K-rates, terrific in the minors and in his pro debut, will translate to the majors over the long term; and (2) the extent to which he can improve his command or, if not, to what extent his mediocre-at-best control (4.4 BB/9 last season) will hold him back.
Unlike some other young pitchers getting their first taste of mlb (Brad Mills is an excellent example), Rzep's control problems don't stem from him nibbling around the zone or trying to be too fine. His issues stem from the fact that his mechanics and delivery give all his pitches excellent movement that tends to baffle hitters (hence his success in 2009 despite only 42% of his pitches being strikes - league average is just a smidge under 50%) but also mean that he doesn't quite know where his deliveries are going - particularly his slider, which was the key to his success in 2009.
Scrabble does throw first-pitch strikes more often than not (52% as opposed to league average 58%), suggesting he does have some ability to toss strikes with his sinker when he wants to. The issue is that the same thing that is holding back is control is what makes him an effective strikeout pitcher. I think his ability to induce ground balls is ultmately critical to his success, since it keeps his home runs down, which is important when you are giving away a free pass every other inning.
It'll be very interesting to see how Rzepczynski does this season: on one hand it is hard to imagine him pitching as well as he did in 2009, when he was under-the-radar and hitters were not prepared for his offerings, but on the other hand if he can show better control, particularly on the first pitch, without allowing hitters to get the best of him, he could be very tough to hit for a long time. Unfortunately, I don't think he can continue to be so stingy with hits allowed, particularly with the Jays' defense trending down, so he may need to show better command if he wants his success to continue. One the other hand, if he can continue to strikeout almost a batter an inning and keep the HRs to a normal rate, he can afford the occasional free pass. He'll have a tough time throwing 200 innings that way, though, as efficiency has been another issue for Scrabble.
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my impression was that his command was very good
and that he did nibble. he seemed reluctant to put his fastball over the plate for fear of what might happen and therefore he worked deep into counts. He seemed to just miss outside with his fastball a lot, which is why I think his command was good. If he can use his change effectively (I read he used it much more in the minors), he can have success bringing that sinker over the plate.
But that slider is swing-and-miss nasty.
that's interesting
on the fastball, my take is that the pitch f/x data (at least, that I’ve seen, I haven’t looked at every start he made) doesn’t support your impression, nor do scouting reports or the fangraphs article to which I linked. He seems to lack the ability to really work the zone down and away, which of course would be ideal for a sinker-baller. I definitely agree that increased use of the changeup may be essential to success, particularly against righties, and that his slider is just flat-out filthy.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i think you've linked me a Yankees game
which is only one game and might not be the best indicator, but be that as it may, i count 14 called balls within 6-7 inches of the outside of the strikezone. now i can’t tell if they’re to RHB or LHB, but it seems like a large portion (he only threw into the 4th inning)
I would agree, however, from that chart that pitches may not be down enough.
His next start on the 16th gives a better picture of the outside corner. It looks like when he gets it down, it’s in the zone and when he leaves it up, it’s outside. The cluster seems to be angled as such.
haha, clearly (on my end)
I do think you have the ability to show separate graphs for lefties and righties.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Here’s the Tampa game by pitch type to RHB.
The green plots are the fastball that are all towards the outside of the zone or off the plate. He doesn’t miss in the zone with the fastball. Most of the pitches in the zone are sliders. This is what I saw, a reluctance to put his fastball over the plate. If he didn’t have control of his fastball, I would expect to see as many misses in the zone as off the plate. Again – amateur hour.
I actually picked the Yankee game
because I figured if he had a tendency to nibble, it would especially show up in a game like that. It’s hard to draw too much from any one game, but I think it’s fair to say that his command over the fastball isn’t consistent from game to game.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
it does look like the umps missed a few down
but his pitches were sort of all over the place. you’re not going to get close calls that way.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
anecdotally, we know he was squeezed because of this

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Wow you guys are getting buried....
It is funny in all the years my kids have been at school, up here in the frozen north, there has been one ‘snow day’. The kids loved it, making tunnels in the front yard, while I spent 3 hours shoveling. We never get that much snow at one time.
It is good to see others talking up Rzepczynski.
Deception
I don’t think you can really have a discussion about Zep without mentioning how his delivery is deceptive. It’s the very reason his stuff plays up so much. How many soft tossers do you see striking people out at the rate he does? It just doesn’t happen. You might see a guy living in the high 80’s with great control succeed, but it’s very rare to see a guy with 2 pitches, one of them being a high-80’s fastball, striking people out.
The reason he does it is his delivery is deceptive, so it’s hard to pick up the ball out of his hand, making his high 80’s fastball look a good deal faster. He also has a lot of movement on his pitches, which leads me to believe his control may never be that great, but that’s okay as long as he can miss bats.
However, a LOT of times players with a deceptive delivery will get figured out a few seasons in. This is my largest concern with Zep, even more so than his lack of a third pitch.
Also, looking deeper into his stats on fangraphs raises some reg flags too … his Z-contact rate was 94.1%, which was the 5th highest out of 279 players with 60+ innings in the majors. What that means is when a player swung at a pitch that was a strike, they made contact 94.1% of the time … that’s a HUGE . So why didn’t he get shelled? His Z-swing was the lowest of all 279 players at 53%, meaning players only swung at 53% of the pitches he threw in the strike zone. Not only was that #1, #2 was 56% (Carlos Marmol), and when you consider that #279 was 74% a 3% difference is HUGE. Breaking it all down:
- he doesn’t throw a lot of strikes compared to most P’s
- when he does throw strikes, people don’t swing
- when people do swing, they almost ALWAYS make contact
- on pitches outside of the zone he’s average in terms of swing% and contact %
While its hard to conclude anything from a 60 inning sample, this does provide some evidence for the argument that people are having trouble picking his stuff up IMO. B/c if his stuff was really FILTHY people would swing through it often … but they aren’t swinging through for strikes they are sitting there with their bat on their shoulder. That suggests to me they aren’t picking up his pitches. When they pick it up, they hit it with exceptionally high frequency.
My fear is, with all the video tape and analysis in the majors today, what if people start to figure out how to pick the ball up off him. I could see him going from a guy who is pretty solid at first to a guy who absolutely falls off the face of the earth later in his career. Kind of like Gustavo Chacin actually. I hope I’m wrong of course, but that’s what I see when I see him pitch.
I agree his delivery is deceptive
but the effect of that decreases as hitters become more familiar with him. it’s still an advantage, of course, but it won’t be enough, by itself, to mean long-term success. That’s where his stuff, command, and craft have to come in.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Also, let us remember, Scrabble is still very young. He’s likely got a couple of years of being lit up like a carnival prize game ahead of him before we really get a chance to see what kind of pitcher he really is.
and he is continuing to develop three more pitches
he actually throws a two-seamer, four-seamer, slider, change and a nasty curve that he hasn’t figured out (yet)
he used a lot of those secondary pitches in MiLB
Yeah, I’m guessing that in your first call up to the Show, you don’t dare throw anything you’re not totally confident with yet.
right
can’t get fancy in your first trip to the bigs, you have to keep it simple and stick to your bread-and-butter
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wait. How is it a nasty curve if he hasn’t figured it out yet? Do you just mean a lot of movement he can’t control? Because I wouldn’t call it nasty if he can’t control it, but maybe that is just me.
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not that he can't control it, but not enough confidence in it to throw at MLB level
i will look for the article i read, but it said his curve has MAJOR movement, and great speed variance with his other pitches. it was called nasty, if i recall. pretty sure it was an interview with arnsberg right around when rzep got called up.
I’ve read numerous reports on him, and nobody has ever said his curveball is “nasty”. Actually all I’ve read is average or “show me”. Actually most of what I’ve read suggests his change is better than his curve. His curve might have some good break on it, if that’s what you meant, but that doesn’t make it a good pitch or even have the potential to be one.
You've never heard that he has a "nasty" curve before.
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t, there, super scout.
lol
we're just following your links...
“Curveball – 12-to-7 version and more of the power variety”
still no evidence of this nasty curve. Nobody’s claiming to be a super scout and no one’s expecting you to be. But if he has a nasty curve, we’d like to know.
symantics. so doesn't have a "nasty" curve, maybe. yet. but, as noted below, he sure has "nasty" stuff.
not the weak, easy-to-hit stuff jay-jay super scout claims as his weakness.
should we just label RZep, and give up on him, because he throws a 88-90 FB half the time and a crazy good slider 39% of the time?
does the fact that he didn’t throw a curve, or rarely threw his change mean he has weak curve or change? or can we also assume he has DEVELOPING pitches, and could emerge as a 5 pitch guy?
were all of Doc’s pitches the masterpieces he throws now at age 24-25?
NO. they weren’t.
what are you, 12? geeze. you think calling me super scout helps your argument? resorting to name calling is a great way to prove your point …
Ok this is getting personal, so no more.
It is fine to attack an idea or a theory, Do NOT attack the person.
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I may be getting his curve mixed up with his change, although I'm sure I heard that he had a developing nasty curve
Maybe they said it could be nasty later. Not sure. I think it was Arnsberg, maybe Cito. Anyway, Dane Johnson, the Blue Jays minor league pitching coordinator, said:
“His stuff is every bit as good as, if not in some ways better than Cecil. I am taking nothing away from Brett but Zep is as accomplished. Zep does have electric stuff, it moves and it’s hard. And it moves down, he has sink on the two-seamer, he has a terrific slider and very good movement on the change-up and sometimes it is hard to keep his stuff on the plate it is moving so much. He can embarrass hitters with his stuff. "
This was my point. He has upside, and is a work in progress. He could still develop the curve and change to become dominant pitches. Several articles I found call his curve “good” or “average”. This is something he can work on, in my opinion.
http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20090603225618590
I remember that interview
and I’ve definitely heard his change could be a good major-league pitch if he worked on it. I think it’s critical to his success.
The truth is, his other pitches have so much movement so he would in large part be using his curve as a changeup anyway. I agree he is a work in progress and I am excited to see how his career progresses.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
One big difference is that his change is all downward motion and his curve is evil down left cha-cha-cha. Seriously, this kid throws just an insane curve and if he can figure out how to locate it better than one out of three days, mixed with his other pitches, we’ve got a very serious high ceiling number two there.
show me curve
that’s what I’ve seen, too
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lots of soft-tossers strike out batters
Bert Blyleven struck out 3701 of them.
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just a routine functionality test
for your sarcasm detector. You’re good until 10 February 2011. Certificate should come in the mail in four to six business days.
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John Sickels did a post about Rzep recently.
I think he has chance to be very good 3rd starter.
Love the GB rate he produces. I think he’s not that far behind R.Romero.
yeah, Tom posted on that one
I’ve read some negative stuff about Rzep’s long-term prospects around the interwebs this offseason, so I found Sickels’ and the Fangraphs piece to be encouraging.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i think Law has been the main detractor
thinks his mechanics are flawed and will end up in the pen
speaking of snow
Marc came back to NH this winter to see his gf and it snowed about 8 inches one of those days and he was baffled. Apparently he had never seen snow before. It was funny to see him shovel and worried about driving. And that’s a wimpy storm. We are used to getting what DC just got.
by NHfishercatsfan on Feb 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
what kind of shovel does he use?
double or triple car garage?
please
no shoveling talk. My back aches just thinking about it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i was just in DC a few weeks back. chilly, but nice. big protest on the mall. loved the sights
makes other capital cities look like a joke.
it's a great town, I have to say
the NYC in me says I should look down on it, but I love it.
If I’m thinking of the same protest, a few weeks ago, it was ridiculous even by our standards. It went right by my office and the whole street was closed down.
Next time you’re in town, shoot me an e-mail (goes for anyone). We can grab a beer and talk Jays baseball!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I live in the same town as Dakers
Every time I show up at his house he either calls the cops or brings out the pepper spray.
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by craig in calgary on Feb 10, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Im in London so Im close!
Well closer then I used to be when I was in Halifax anyways.,
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Ugh London
Grew up there. I don’t envy you.
I don’t mind it that much. I have family here from Down east as well, and my wife grew up here so she has family here.
I was in Whitby before this and while it was nice being closer to Toronto and being able to use the Go Train to get into games I was bored to tears there.
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