You were right about the stars, each one is a setting sun: Game Thread, Jays and Tigers
by Tom Dakers on Mar 15, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
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PrintThe game is on Sportsnet East (if you get that channel), also on MLB.tv.
We won the Bgame 8-1. Joey Gathright homered. He has 1 career homer, so, like Halley's comet, I think since we didn't see this one, I doubt we'll live long enough to see the next.
Lance Broadway pitched 3 innings, 2 hits, 1 earned.
Steve Register went 2, with just 1 walk.
David Purcay, 2 innings, 1 hit, 3 K.
Zach Jackson, 2 innings, 3 hits.
Bautista, Wells, Hill, Lind and Gathright each had 2 hits. Buck, Lubanski and Gonzalez had 1.
The A game will have Scrabble starting, Cecil, Janssen and Accardo to follow.
Line up:
Brad Emaus, 2B
Jeremy Reed, RF
Randy Ruiz, 1B
Brian Dopirak, DH
Travis Snider, LF
Chris Aguila, CF
Jose Molina, C
Not sure when we picked up Chris Aguila, he played for the Marlins and the Mets, I guess we picked him up as a free agent.
I'm looking forward to watching.
The title is from the Wilco song Jesus, etc. I saw Wilco a couple of weeks ago and they were great.
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I don’t understand why it isn’t on West and Pacific though, what’s on there now instead of the Jays?
Ball.
As far as I know, all 4 channels aren’t even offered out west, only 3. So yeah… good move Rogers
Ball.
As far as I can tell
when TSN2 appeared, Sportsnet East disappeared, which led me to believe it was Shaw, but it could have been coincidental
great at bat for snider
nice check swing on a pitch outside and a single through the hole
I don't even know who half our batting order is.
Who the hell is Hoffpair and Augila?
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
oh Hoffpauir we picked up this summer...he's played a bit this spring....
he wouldn’t be terrible as a utility infielder
We already have utility infielders starting at 3rd and SS
I can’t imagine how bad they’d be if they can’t dethrone E5, Alex Gonzalex v2.0 and Johnny Mac.
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just reading the thread
Looks like Augila signing didn’t just suprise me!
"I've only been in love with a beer bottle and a mirror" - Sid Vicious.
by craig in calgary on Mar 15, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
is Reed demotable?
not on 40-man or has options?
It didn't catch on fire? Sorry, I had to...
by JayLo Biafra on Mar 15, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't type....
goes along with not being able to read. Admitting you have a problem is the first step
wasn't bad either though
It looks like he is seeing the ball much better then he was earlier in the spring.
yah he is
But with the deal the Jays gave Angel Hechevarria you have to think they are looking to get him into the major league club this year.
No I am saying I expect Angel Hechevarria to be on the 25 man roster
at some point this season.
Pending Hechevarria being successful that leaves a bit of a road block for Pastornicky
hmmmm I doubt we'll see Hech....but never know I guess....
gotta have a few prospects at each spot….
not bad after the first
3 IP, 4h, 0R, 0BB, 3K
Not on the Strasburg watch?
Take a look for what Cabrera had to say about Strasburg, it’s likely the young guys best endorsment yet,
He used to be
one of my favorites but I am slowly giving up on him. I’d love to see him start to really live up to some of the potential we hyped about a couple seasons ago.
no patience for Snider. Think he was trying to hard to follow Diporak's HR
and a great triple for Aguila
or maybe it's the inner demons thing
I mean, I can’t come up with another explanation for why he isn’t mashing in his 24 spring at-bats
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
you mean that year
when he was the youngest position player in the league?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
no
I’m saying youth and impatience do not imply “inner demons” or some sort of head case. Almost every hitter has to get acclimated to each new level up and adjust their approach to the new level, and how long it takes says nothing about the player’s mental state.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I think we are all agreed that he has a problem with impatience. I think we are all agreed that he has been suffering from this problem for awhile, including much of the 2009 season, notwithstanding your humorous comment to the contrary.
Patience or lack thereof, is an inner character issue, I think. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be most interested to hear about it.
Some people call inner character flaws, inner demons. So logically, I say, he has inner demons to battle.
Simple logic, or so I thought.
he went several pitches first two at bat...
swung at the first one in the third at bat…inner demons show up only in the 3rd at bat.
oh, I see. No, that's not logic
Patience or lack thereof, is an inner character issue, I think. If you have evidence to the contrary I would be most interested to hear about it.
We’re not talking about patience as a character trait here. That has very little or nothing to do with plate discipline in baseball, which has to do with pitch recognition, approach, skill, and batting eye much more than what you are referring to as “patience.” That’s why it’s such a poor word to use to describe players that don’t walk enough.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
cool
you just think he has a “character flaw.” Pretty impressive you could spot that by occasionally watching him play baseball. the point is that trying to divine “character flaws” from watching someone play baseball is inane armchair psychology of the worst kind
Speaking of patience, mine has just about run out on this topic.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Yeah I think maybe we could have a rule on
guessing guys mental status by which pitch they swing at. Overbay is bad he lets pitches go by, Snider’s bad he swings at the first pitch on his third at bat. Let’s stick to baseball, not psychology.
To correct that point, I do not really care what pitch a batter swings at. For example, as you may recall, last year, I was railing about Rios NOT swinging at first pitch, Further, as I noted, he would come up to bat and just sleep through the first pitch. It was obvious (at the risk of beling labeled an arm chair psychologists) that folks had scouted him as such. Accordingly, the first pitch often tend to be a big fat juicy one down the middle and too frequently, it put Rios in the hole 0-1. I mean, it was a hitter’s pitch and the best he was gonna see in his PA. Eventually, he started first pitch swinging again and he improved a bit. So, it is cool, IMHO for a batter to swing at first pitch if the situation dictates.
To continue the point, I think it thus becomes necessary for the batter to consider how his play is being perceived by others. If Snider is perceived to be a guy who is an impatient chaser, well, folks are going to throw him that kind of stuff and he is going to get put out. So he needs to adjust his game. Maybe the team can prepare a chart for him that shows when you swing here (strike zone location in or out) you contact the ball X% of the time, miss the ball X% of the time, and get a hit, xtra base hit and foul X% of the time. Than he might have additional tools to wait for “his pitch” where he is most successful at making contact..
only thing I'd add
is that Snider had a .788 OPS after he was called up in August last year. Nothing wrong with that from a 21-year old.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
LOL, mine too
But I did watch him all last season and I think it is pretty obvious that he has some discipline issues with respect to what pitches he chases. I would speculate that scouting has led pitchers to exploit this aspect of his plate approach and it thus makes him an easier target for outs.
absolutely
I totally agree. That has nothing at all to do with any “character flaw” or lack of “patience” as a character trait. Better pitchers are exploiting a weakness in his game that lesser pitchers hadn’t been able to exploit. Now it’s up to him to make the next adjustment. Don’t forget Adam Lind went through the exact same thing when breaking into the majors, and he was a lot older.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
he's saying watch more than a couple at bats before you decide what he needs...
how many 20 year old major leaguers have you watched?
man if you can't tell all you need to know about a batter from watching one at bat....
what kind of scout are you?
lots of errors for him this spring, no?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I made the trip up from DC last year
but not going to make it this year
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Man I am so happy I live 30 minutes away
I plan to be at Wallace and Drabek’s first games if they do indeed get called this year.
unless they get called up on the road, haha
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
That would suck. But I will see them first chance at home.
If they get called up on a Road Trip through Detroit, NY, Chicago I will likely still go.
is he throwing breaking pitches yet?
last time he was only allowed to throw fastballs and changeups
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Emaus could be a decent short-term solution
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I can almost see cecil in the pen next year with all the starting options the jays
will have next year
who are the announcers for this game?
one of the voices sounds familiar (the guy who was questioning how the Jays would fare this year?)
busy, just taking a bit of a break now before diving back into it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
you?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
interesting could be
pierre in short season
goins in lansing
pastornicky and jackson in dunedin
heck in new hampshire
and maybe mccoy in vegas
maybe...I don't think he hit it as well as the announcers did....
no way the wind moves it that much
Jamie Campbell isn't the only announcer to get too excited about fly balls...
well short of the warning track
in vegas
He went by edward. He was in the jays system for a couple years, traded away and traded for back last year.
by NHfishercatsfan on Mar 15, 2010 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ARG, Had customers steady from 6th inning on
Missed all the action at the end. Still at work till 7.
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