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How the Blue Jays Bench Should Look

With the release of Joey Gathright the bench picture becomes a fair bit clearer. I do feel sorry for Gathright, I didn't want him to make the team but I do want everyone to show well. It is kind of unfair to judge a guy on 40 or 50 spring at bats. If a couple of balls find a hole and he beats out a couple of infield ground balls, maybe he makes Vegas or has an easier time catching on with another team.

So where are we on the four bench spots? John McDonald gets one. As much as I don't think he has all that much value as a player anymore, it is kind of reassuring to see him there. He's obviously a great guy, great teammate and a lot of fun. And as much as everyone rightly praises Roy Halladay for his work habits, I doubt there is a fielder that works harder on his game than John. He is the first on and last off the field for fielding practice, works hard in the batting cage, really seems to get the most out of his ability. In an emergency he can play anywhere, but then most spots it should be an emergency before he plays.

Raul Chavez or Jose Molina will be backup catcher. I'd imagine Molina, but I don't really see a difference between the two. Both are good defensive catchers, with good arms. The pitchers seem to like to throw to either of them. Niether could hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Molina is a couple of years younger. Cito seems to like Chavez and if the decision goes his way, that is a good enough reason for me.

Mike McCoy or Jeremy Reed will have a spot. McCoy's advantage is speed and that he can play all the positions on the field. It looks like he plays pretty good defense everywhere. Reed has more experience in the outfield, maybe has a bit more power. Both had a great springs, Reed drove in 10 runs so far, but in 21 hits has only had 3 extra base hits, all doubles. McCoy has hit well too, missed some time with a sore arm. Jeff Blair, in his column this morning, says that McCoy has 'all but made the team. I don't know if that is true.  I like McCoy a little better but either choice is fine my me. Or, you know, the Phillies have released Brad Wilkerson. Just saying.

Randy Ruiz has the other spot. Clearly deserves it and some at bats. That last part I'm wondering about. This quote was in the Sun the other day, from Cito:

"We can’t play Ruiz in the field."

Bob Elliot then mentions a bad play he made at first that day. Now I'll agree he can't play in the outfield. Last week someone asked first base coach Dwayne Murphy if Ruiz could play outfield in an emergency and apparently he said no about five times. Other than I have the feeling that anyone could play LF in an emergency, yeah I don't want to see him out there.

But if we aren't going to let him play first, what's the point of having him on the roster? Let's face it, Kevin Millar played 386.2 innings at first, last year, and was terrible defensively. I've only seen Ruiz at first a couple of times, but he didn't look that bad to me. If we have Lind at DH and Ruiz can't play first, what's the point of having him?

We'll see, I get the feeling that sometimes Cito says these things to drive people like me crazy. In spite of what people might thing, Ruiz isn't the second coming of Babe Ruth or anything. He hit great last fall, but he chased out of the strike zone a lot. Pitchers when they get a second and third chance to look at a guy will start playing to weaknesses. What will show if he is a player or not is if he can make adjustments when they do. Ruiz had a good first month in the majors but remember that Kevin Millar had a terrific April, last year. Anyone can have a good month.

Not that I want to get in a long discussion about it (please please), but Ruiz should really get the 300 plate appearances Kevin Millar had last year. This is his one chance to show if he belongs or not, next year Brett Wallace has to play everyday and there really will be no room at the inn for Randy so he deserves this one chance.

Of course, this all presumes that Edwin Encarnacion goes north with the team. He has a week and should get 40 plate appearances in by opening day. With out a set back, he shouldn't have a problem.

 

One other note from Jeff Blair's column, he says that Echeverria (or Hecheverria, depends if you drop your h's or not) "could be in minor league camp as early as Friday once his visa's finalized". Yay.

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Or, you know, the Phillies have released Brad Wilkerson. Just saying.

Dude, too soon. Too soon.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree that Ruiz should be getting at-bats at the rate that Millar was getting last year, if not a little more. He’s shown promise yes, and deserves a chance.

Clearly he also showed a lot of Ks, most memorable to me being him striking out to Dusty Brown I think it was, a position player the Red Sox sent out to pitch our last inning against them.

So run him out there, if he gets figured out by pitchers and can’t put up the numbers he’s put up in Vegas and that last month, we have others who can be called up and get a try out.

Ball.

by Casusby on Mar 29, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I think those PAs will end up going to a mix of Overbay, Ruiz and Wallace.

I wonder how much Cito playing Overbay every day has to do with a lack of faith in Ruiz at 1b rather than a lack of faith he can hit LHP better than Overbay. They can’t really try Lind there b/c that’s a recipe for disaster (playing a guy at a new position once a week and DH the rest).

Wallace won’t come up unless they can put him in there every day, and probably every day at 1b (not DH), so that still probably requires an Overbay trade which I do think will happen eventually.

by jayjay on Mar 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think you are right

He doesn’t trust Ruiz defensively. Seems silly to me but he’s the manager.

by Tom Dakers on Mar 29, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I imagine Bautista is the backup 1B

which would still work for a platoon, with Lind in left, Snider in right and Ruiz at DH.

by ayjackson on Mar 29, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

that makes sense to me

But I don’t see Cito being that creative. I think jayjay is right about Overbay at first everyday, but if Cito is serious about not using Ruiz at first, though, and Lind isn’t going to play there either (and I agree he shouldn’t), Ruiz likely isn’t going to get many at-bats at all and arguably shouldn’t be on the team unless and until there is some injury. I suppose Snider could sit a bit against lefties and Lind move to left field, but I’d prefer not to keep Snider out of the lineup too often. I suppose he could pinch-hit for AGon once a game and then J-Mac can take over in the field.

I just don’t see Cito moving Bautista to 1st (he hasn’t played there at all this spring) and then shuffling everyone else.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think Cito would use Ruiz in a pinch but not to start. You want scary scenario? Jose Molina gets starts at 1b. Don’t write it off too quickly … it COULD happen.

by jayjay on Mar 29, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

Barajas got some starts there, as did Jason Phillips. In fact, I can remember some awful “three-catcher” lineups featuring Barajas, Zaun, and Jason Phillips. Now that was bad.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am having to muster all sense of self-control to honour Dakers’ request not to break out in duscussion about Ruiz.

by aagoodfella on Mar 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand why his defense is that big of a deal. He’s not a long term solution there and we aren’t trying to win this year anyways. This year is about seeing what we have and we should be making sure that the older minor leaguers that have possible upsides get the chance to show themselves (the same goes for Dopirak, and McCoy—there is no reason that they shouldn’t get legitimate chances to start at a major league level). Ruiz should play even if he’s a handicap at first base b/c he has shown that he deserves a shot to play most days. If Ruiz, Dopirak, and McCoy show that they aren’t good long term solutions, then we are in the same place we started in.

However, if any of them show to be quality major leaguers then we find medium term solutions to some of our problems. The point is given that it is a rebuilding year it doesn’t matter, so why not give these older prospects one last chance…

by peterzm on Mar 29, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you are saying, but I don't really like the idea of putting

shaky-fielding career minor-league players behind our young pitching staff just to “see what they can do.” I think that will do more damage than good.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to say … for the exact reason perterzm says we should play Ruiz (that this year isn’t about winning) I say you don’t play him. I think you should try to build the strongest defensive team behind your young P you can to help their development and confidence in any way possible. This could also lead to more play of Molina/Chavez than some people like and less Lind in the OF than some like … but in all honesty I don’t really mind all much. Especially when you here guys like Romero openly talking about pitching more to contact this season. That strategy can be a very good one if your D is making plays.

by jayjay on Mar 29, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify … I don’t think Ruiz should NEVER play. I wouldn’t mind him in there vs LHP and I wouldn’t mind seeing Lind in LF and Ruiz at DH vs LHP now and again if Snider is struggling vs LHP (not always though). But I really cannot think of a situation where I see him playing full time … I’d rather have Wallace come up if Overbay is gone, or even Dopirak probably has more long term value to be honest.

by jayjay on Mar 29, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems a shame that Reed and McCoy

cannot both make the team

One of the things that handcuffs the Jays are these talent constraints. Guys who can hit but not field, guys who can field but not hit, guys who can hit from one side but not the other, guys who can hit but cannot run. It really makes the team challenging.

by aagoodfella on Mar 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

if only all of our players were good at everything!

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what I am saying. Is that too much to ask for? ;-)

by aagoodfella on Mar 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems reasonable to me

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they could...

We are rebuilding this year and it seems to me that if we have the possibility of a good defender, and possible leadoff or number two hitter, McCoy makes the team. Not only should he make the team, but he should start. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out (were not winning anyways), and we go back to McDonald or Gonzalez.

I think we should be actively trying to trade Gonzalez, and if that can happen within the first couple of months of the season, then McCoy could start at that point. But why not give him a shot. He has the possibility of being a solid shortstop where with McDonald or Gonzalez they don’t have that upside. These are the kind of risks you take when your rebuilding, and we need to take them.

by peterzm on Mar 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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