Blue Would Still Be Blue: 3/7 Game Preview and Thread, Tigers at Jays
by hugo on Mar 7, 2010 11:16 AM EST
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PrintHi everyone. Hope your weekends are going splendidly. I must say, we are getting some incredible weather over here. Warm, breezy, and sunny.
The Jays take on the Tigers this afternoon and look to build on some successful spring outings thusfar. The Jays' starting lineup, courtesy of Jordan Bastian:
Jose Bautista, 3b
Aaron Hill, 2b
Adam Lind, dh
Vernon Wells, cf
Randy Ruiz, 1b
Jeremy Reed,rf
John Buck, c
Alex Gonzalez, ss
Travis Snider, lf
I know it's spring training but it seems to me that someone is giving Snider some seriously tough love. Or, you know, tough something else.
Brian Tallet makes the start today and Bastian notes that he's a "favourite" for a rotation job right now. I like Tallet, but not as a starter this season. So far Romero, Zep, Marcum, and Morrow have all done a nice job, with Cecil still to go, and Mills pitched quite well in his "B" game, so at least there should be some full and open competition for the spots. According to mlb.com, there will be audio of the game from the FAN available on their website (and of course I'd assume on the radio for those in the GTA).
I thought this bit on Marcum from Bastian's blog was interesting:
Marcum focused on his fastball command on Saturday, mixing in a few changeups and one curve. He said he is also working on lengthening his stride during his delivery. "I felt like I was using too much upper body when I was pitching in the past,"
I couldn't agree more that Marcum could work on using his lower body more. His old delivery looked very much like he was slinging the ball in there, which gave his pitches plenty of movement but looked like it'd be hell on his arm (which it was).
If anyone is listening to the game, first sunday afternoon game thread of the season! Today's title from a song by the Guillemots, a great band.
Update: JohnnyG helpfully points out that Frasor, Gregg, Downs, Camp, Roenicke, Farquhar, and Luis Perez are scheduled to follow Tallet. Looks like a bullpen day.
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Folks in Toronto won't get the game on the Fan...
There is a Raptors game apparently but is on the internet.
I tried yesterday on the Fan's Site
and they said due to copyright infringement they aren’t allowed to stream the game online…
by bowling_kid25 on Mar 7, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I think that's right
you can’t get the games online except from mlb gameday audio.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
The fan590 network is rebroadcasted across the country in pretty much every city. Spin through your AM dial and you should be able to find something.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
unless there is a Raptors game on apparently
I don’t know a single person who listens to basketball on the radio
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
From the tweet posted by BlueJays it says only in the GTA will the Raps game be broadcast, rest of the country gets Jays.
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ah, I see
thanks!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Your still right though. Who wants to listen to basketball on the radio?….
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I prefer to think of those folks as the mentally unstable ones.
GO JAYS LIND IS GOING TO HIT 50+ Homers this year!!!! WOOOO!!! PENNANT!
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Dunno about Snider getting tough love
From the sounds of it, hes striking out way too much and hasnt really done anything impressive yet. He deserves to be batting 9th right now.
Onions Baby Onions
Its Spring training and he is supposed to be our future. He should be batting higher if for the only reason to maybe get an extra at bat per game.
Im not saying he should be batting 4th, but he should be higher.
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The problem with us following every spring game
is the want to make a handful of at bat mean something. Snider has had 9 at bats. 2 hits so a .222 BA. Of course if the line drive he smoked right into the first baseman’s glove yesterday was 3 feet left or right, he’d have 3 hits and a .333 average and we’d say how good he’s been.
9 at bats isn’t enough to say anything about how Snider is doing. We haven’t had enough at bats on anyone to say how they are doing. But since we are following it we want to make pronouncements.
Chris Lubanski hit a homer in his first at bat. I’m pulling for him so I read way too much into it. Since the homer he’s made 7 outs. Let’s not pretend we know what it means yet.
this point doesn’t really make sense, no matter how often people try to make it. It’s ST!!!! Generally players will get 2 or 3 plat apps and then get pulled to give someone else a look, regardless of whether they hit 1st or 9th. And they don’t just pull all the starters at once, they will generally all get their 2 or 3 plate apps and THEN get pulled. Look at any of the boxscores thus far, Snider is getting basically the same number of appearances as Bautista who is hitting leadoff, only he’s staying the games longer defensively to get those plate apps.
The bigger issue is that he’s starting and thus playing every day … which is a GOOD.
Yes that is good,
However, with all of Cito’s talk about treating players like he wanted to be treated and what not I wonder what it does to someone’s psyche, especially a younger player to constantly be at the bottom of the lineup despite everything that has been said about him.
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I'm not saying it necessarily matters, assuming he's getting his plate appearances in
and playing regularly, which so far, he has been. My only point is that the team (Cito) is trying to communicate something to him by batting him behind Alex Gonzalez. I don’t think this is really debatable.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Assuming for a second that that is the case, how do we know that’s a bad thing? Or in other words if he IS “fueding” with Cito, how do we know Cito is wrong? As Snider said himself about his struggles in the majors last season:
“Adjustments at this level are key. I stopped making adjustments at the end of April and the beginning of May and for a while at Triple-A (following his May 19 demotion). I was reluctant to listen to some people. They were trying to help me and I backed myself into a corner."
I agree
I am not saying it is a bad thing. I like Cito’s ability to work with his players. And I am certainly not suggesting that they are “feuding.” If Cito has a message to convey, I expect that Snider will hear and internalize it.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Right, but I think you would agree that the majority of people around here DO think it’s a bad thing. Actually, there’s some people around here that get upset at everything Cito does (or doesn’t do) just … you know … because.
oh, I see what you are saying
I haven’t been keeping track, so I couldn’t say how our readers or Jays fans in general feel about Cito. I’d say opinion is mixed.
I do agree with you that some portion of Jays fans, including some folks here, already appear to have made up their minds about how good a job Cito will do this season. I can only speak for myself, though, and I don’t share that viewpoint. Although his decisions can drive me crazy sometimes, I like Cito (though I am not convinced he is necessarily the ideal manager for the 2010 Jays). Perhaps more importantly, I can’t imagine any manager who wouldn’t occasionally drive me crazy.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I don’t know if that’s necessarily a bad thing. I mean, no one should think that Cito doesn’t recognize that Snider is much superior offensive player to AGonz. So making the point that ‘look, you’re here to play your way on to the team, you’re going to start constantly, but you’ve got to show us why you deserve to break camp’ might be the best approach. Snider is a young guy, and we don’t really know his temperment. Maybe this is the best way to motivate him?
Again, I think it’s one of those things that we can speculate, but without actually knowing the player, we can’t do anything but guess about.
I fully agree
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
As per Bastian
Following Tallet, Frasor, Gregg, Downs, Camp, Roenicke, Farquhar, Perez scheduled to pitch for Blue Jays.
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well didnt they tell us
yesterday that 8 pitchers were gonna pitch but yet we only saw 6 of them…
inauspicious start for Tallet
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
same
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Only reason I’d support Tallet winning a rotation spot is if there’s a possible trade already in discussion and his value as a starter is part of it. I have no problems with Tallet getting a dozen starts or so and then being shuffled off for, say, McGowan or Mills or Cecil to have some AAA time and then come in ready to go.
that could be
but all indications are that the Jays were trying to trade him last year when he was pitching effectively as a starter and didn’t find any takers. That being the case, I’m skeptical that they are going to get much for him this year, particularly as I think it’s an open question how effective he can be as a starter.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I don’t know about alone, but I think a left handed swing man who can function as a decent 5th man on the rotation must have some kind of value, especially paired with, I don’t know, a lefty first baseman?
Speculation aside, that’s really the only reason I’d focus on Tallet in the rotation is if I’m confident that it will help me move him. So I’m hoping the Jays feel the same.
I guess, I figured he'd be traded last year at the break...
But I think other teams don’t see him as a starter
:( Sadness! Can’t find the game on the AM dial in London and any feed I have of Fan590 or its affiliates through Rogers Cable is doing basketball….
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Being in the Toronto area, I get most of hte games on tv less a select few. And usually those Rogers puts on a few preview… so there isn’t much point for the audio
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yea usually cbc gets about 5 to 10 games each year
and rogers preview is usually just some other team’s broadcast…always interesting to watch with their commentators
Not last year they didn’t CBC didn’t pick up any Jays games yesterday and I don’t think they did this year either.
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I like to have a game on sometimes when I'm working on the computer....
listen to other radio play by play guys
disappointing
that’s what I like about the mlb radio package. Even in the event of a water landing where your normal game-viewing plan fails for whatever reason, you can still listen to the game, all for a low yearly rate
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wells
holds off on the curve to work the walk
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Ruiz grand slam!!!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Hmm that could be. Hard to tell without seeing it though.
And on the otherhand he hasn’t exactly lit up the league the last few years
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Yeah can't tell a thing...sounds like he is throwing almost only fastballs
Bonderman can have a bad start and it doesn’t matter this spring so he can work on things.
Does he have a spot locked down?
Obviously Porcello and Verlander do, but I can’t think of the others there since they traded Jackson
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I had thought he was hurt but maybe you are right
I can’t remember…..I thought he missed most of the year with an injury
Hmm… looking at their 40 man… I think you are right. Good chance he is in the rotation
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Maybe we don´t need defense this year if we average like 9 runs....
by jaysfanfromeurope on Mar 7, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions
I know the odds are stacked against Randy
but I’d really like to see what he can do.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Brian Tallet: 2 IP, 4 R, 4 H, 2 HR, 2 BB, 2 K. 45 pitches (29 strikes).
Whew. That was a struggle wasn’t it
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Heres hoping,
I like Tallet but I don’t want him in the rotation
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don't want to cheer against anyone
he did do a nice job as a starter last year, but we have so many young arms
and since he is coming from the bullpen
and tends to throw a lot of pitches, it’s not like he’s going to be an innings-eater
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
guys the jays are playing some great ball right now
guys the jays are playing some great ball right now. who would’ve thous jose batista would be raking like this. maybe cito hand a preminiton.. not!!!! Lol. I really don’t wanna root against any of our guys but tallet is a bullpen guy for a reason and should stay there. Zrep or cecil or mcgowan should get the spot… I think it should be. Marcum, romero, morrow, mcgowan, zrep/cecil.. I’m pulling for cecil.. he’s one of my faves.
Well if there was one thing you could fault him on last year….
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Tallet is not a starter
IMO
and should not be given the spot over somone like Cecil or another younster in the organization
Wells
goes yard
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'd like to think I'm cheering for all the players...
but Vernon just a little more. He carried himself so well last year.
me too
he is a great player, i dont care if he doesn’t hit 25 HR as long he is hitting the ball well.
I agree
he showed a lot of character and class last year. Anyone can be a great guy when he is playing well, but when things are going bad you tend to show the kind of person you are. It’s too bad the team gave him that awful contract, but he’s definitely a guy I root for.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
One of the things I wondered about the Millar signing last year
Kept saying how great a guy he was, but we had so many good guys I didn’t understand what the appeal of one more was. Vernon, Scutaro, Hill, McDonald all seem like just great guys.
even after he's gone, and you've been proven right,
you just can’t stop talking about Millar!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I'd love to forget the year of Millar
particularly as the sting of Mencherson still hasn’t gone away for me. That we left that two-headed ineptitude out there on an otherwise good team while Adam Lind toiled in the minors was about too much to take
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Amazing thing they sent Lind down because of 19 at bats...
and then gave those two something like 400 at bats
really one of the more painful moments
of Jays fan-dom in the past few years
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
We should have signed Yokillis...
Apparently we need some “Bad-guys” on this team.
And I like Youkillis…
Festina Lente
Looks like we start the season as the AL favorite....
by jaysfanfromeurope on Mar 7, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
3-2 slider from Frasor
for the K
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Farquhar?
Wasn’t that the bad guys name from the first Shrek?
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wouldn't that be TimBit?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
and a couple of groundouts
to complete the 1-2-3 innin
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
between this unbelievable weather and spring training baseball
I am lying outside in my backyard on a day I have tons of work to do. This day isn’t going according to plan at all.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
yeah, leadoff homer
was decent after that, but homeritis isn’t a favorable diagnosis for an AL East reliever and the inning didn’t really do much to assuage that.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Downs and Frasor seemed quite sharp
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
well
time to actually get to work. talk to everyone later!
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Camp
I’ve always said is on most the most underrated guys in the pen. He’s a solid long reliever (after being a really bad reliever in Tampa) who can K guys with that nasty sinker and can be trusted to soak three-four innings while pitching seven runs behind and save the rest of the bullpen. I’m hoping he returns to the bullpen this year.
definitely had never heard of him
is he in the minors? or is he not even on the team at all?
huh alright thanks
yea i guess i’d never really heard his name mentioned
Liuzza was sent down right after the game...
together with d´Arnauld and Lord Farquhar
by jaysfanfromeurope on Mar 7, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
but d'arnaud didn't even get to play
did he? i dont remember him getting any at bats
he'll probably start at Dunedin.
sometimes the invite is just a way to show a kid that the team likes him and that he’s part of the team’s future plans. It also can’t hurt for him to watch and pick the brains of some major-league catchers.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Rommie´s pitching instead of Perez
Started with a k
by jaysfanfromeurope on Mar 7, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions
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