Quick Recap: Spring Game 5, Jays and Tigers
by Tom Dakers on Mar 7, 2010 8:58 PM EST
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PrintThe bats continue to go great and so does the pitching for the most part.
Pitchers:
- Brian Tallet did not do well. 2 innings, 4 hits, 4 runs, 2 walks, 2 homers and 2 K. A veteran doesn't have to worry too much about his first spring appearance, but he is our first starter not to show well.
- Jason Frasor, Scott Downs, Shawn Camp, Josh Roenicke, Daniel Farquhar and Rommie Lewis each pitched a shutout inning. All seemed impressive.
- Kevin Gregg gave up a lead off homer to start his inning but then got 3 quick outs. As Hugo said, "homeritis isn’t a favorable diagnosis for an AL East reliever and the inning didn’t really do much to assuage that." He's going to have give us a bunch of homerless outings if he wants us to have any confidence in him.
Batting:
The top of the order continues to mash.
- Jose Bautista hit another leadoff homer, was 1 for 3 dropping his spring average to .636
- Aaron Hill was 2 for 2 with yet another walk. He has only made 1 out in 10 PA so far this spring, hitting .800.
- Adam Lind was 1 for 3 and is 'only' hitting .300.
- Vernon Wells hit a homer, went 2 for 2 with a walk, 2 runs and 2 RBI. He is hitting .600 this spring.
- Randy Ruiz had a homer as well, a grand slam. was 2 for 3. He's hitting .615.
Others of interest:
- Travis Snider was 0 for 2 with a sac fly. The radio guys seemed to think he was having good at bats.
- John Buck went 0 for 3, with a K. He's at .250 on the spring.
- Alex Gonzalez was 1 for 3 and is .222 so far.
- Brad Emaus 1 for 2, He's hitting .417.
- Mike McCoy was 1 for 1. He's .750 in 8 at bats.
- Chris Lubanski had his first hit since his home run in the first spring game. He is hitting .222 now.
Jays sent three down to the minor league camp after the game: Travis D'arnaud, Daniel Farquhar and Matt Liuzza. No surprises, they weren't going to make the team and we don't need all the catchers in the major league camp anymore.
Cito on Tallet:
Last year he was a bit of a life-saver for us because we had so many guys [hurt].
He'll 'get every chance' to make the starting rotation. I'll admit, this is the stuff that drives me crazy about Cito. When he makes it clear he likes a player or makes it clear he dislikes a player without it haven't anything to do with how well the player can play the game. I think Tallet did great for the team last year, full marks for him filling in in the rotation. Loyalty is a nice thing, but we have a ton of good young arms that could make the rotation. Why reserve a spot for Tallet? Oh well, we shall see.
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yea, I prefer Tallet as a long reliever. With the lack of veterans in Jays SP rotation, there is going to be the occasional blowup which may create start-like outings for Tallet. Then, if you add in mid-season injuries, the Jays can slide Tallet in as a starter for awhile and fill his RP spot with a variety of other selections. It gives the Jays more flexibility to keep Tallet in long relief, IMHO.
Tallet has no control
And a overly minor mechanical change; how his gloveside foot lands, would improve that significantly. Can I ask what these coaches are smoking?
Tallet, IMHO, even at his best, usually takes an inning or two to get going. So, if it is Spring and he is rusty, plus he takes a while to get his good stuff going, you have to figure a two inning outing in spring is the absolute worst setup to show off Tallet’s ability.
Talking bout 2009 too.
All he has to do is land on anything but his heel and have it pointing straight at home plate. It would be like Randy Johnson before and after 1992, it really helps that much.
One of these things that people say so I had to check....
Batters line by inning for Tallet’:
1st: 207/.318/.261
2nd: .234/308/.415
3rd: .356/.402/.465
4th: .306/.395/.459
5th: .200/.267/.463
6th: .232/.330/.366
So clearly Tallet doesn’t need an inning to get going.
where did you get that? I was wondering about those kind of splits. Is there pitch count and ball/strike mix by inning available?
counter point (data from Yahoo)
pitch range / era / walks / Ks
pitch (1-15) / 5.65 / 15 / 18
pitch (16-30) / 6.67 / 12 / 21
pitch (31-45) / 5.55 / 14 / 20
pitch (46-60) / 2.22 / 8 / 19
pitch (61-75) / 4.57 / 8 / 21
pitch (76-90) / 7.23 / 8 / 13
pitch (91-105) / 6.00 / 6 / 7
So, Tallet produces his best ERA in the 46-75 pitch count range. Before the 46th pitch, Tallet’s ERA is inflated and ugly, after the 46th pitch, Tallet’s ERA is respectable. With respect to BB, before hitting his 46th pitch, Tallet is a walking machine through his first 45 pitches. Apparently, he does not get control over throwing balls until the 45+ pitch count when his walk rate plummets by almost a half. Tallet’s strikeout rate is fairly consistent throughout his outing but naturally tails off as he goes deep into his pitch outings.
So I will stick to my conclusion that Tallet is a slow starter in the sense that, early on, he has poor control (almost 2x later pitch walk rate) and gives up more earned runs through his first 45 pitches (roughly 20% to 100%+ higher).
Counter counter point?
ummmm he does great his first inning of work
you said he needed an inning to get going. that’s was the point I was interested in.
first, all pitchers'
ERAs go up after 75 pitches. The early stuff is interesting, though – you’d think that a converted reliever would be one guy who wouldn’t need time to get settled in. There aren’t many data points, so I’m not sure what this really tells us, particularly because if you remember, Tallet had a couple of outings where he got absolutely shellacked out of the gate and was chased early, so he never got a chance to settle down. My guess is that those starts are skewing your numbers.
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I don't see how Gathright and Reed both make the team
If Snider goes down, McCoy would likely make it over one of the two speedy outfielders.
I actually thought Tallet should have been non tendered. What's the point of paying him 2 mil when you have a bunch of young arms vying for bullpen roles
But I get the feeling like that non tendering is not in the Jays management culture right now.
Anyways, that being said, I’m OK with Tallet starting as long as it’s temporary, say for a month or so to give McGowan more time if he needs it. I actually don’t mind having Cecil pitch most of the season in AAA. Delays arbitration and was rushed a little bit, I think. Let him earn his way through solid pitching in AAA, which he hasn’t really done yet.
Elias Ranking?
Would Tallet be more likely to become a Type A/B free agent if he were to start as opposed to relieving? Just wondering
Also on another note, if the jays are trying to trade off some of its pitching depth for other positional needs, starting tallet over youngsters makes sense to me. A) increases tallet’s worth by saying he can be a starter as well B) keeping the youngsters in minors where you know they can put up good numbers and look like a good trading piece (as opposed to getting shelled in the majors, which i assume would turn away suitors
Basically I agree with B), that’s why he’s here. Probably not terribly likely that you’ll get much in a trade for him, but basically he’s a stopgap in case the kids aren’t ready and the vets aren’t healthy. If Tallet is making starts to allow Cecil, Mills, and maybe even Morrow work in AAA a bit … so be it. I wouldn’t be at ALL surprised to see Tallet break camp in the rotation, but come July/August when you could have McGowan back and Marcum back (if he isn’t back from day 1), and maybe one of the kids … he’s probably in the pen.
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