Jays Pick Up Fred Lewis from Giants
Here is the press release:
BLUE JAYS ACQUIRE OF FRED LEWIS
The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have acquired outfielder FRED LEWIS from the San Francisco Giants in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.
LEWIS has yet to appear in a game this season after being placed on the disabled list by the San Francisco Giants on April 4 with a strained left oblique muscle. Today he was activated from the disabled list following his recall from a medical rehabilitation assignment with Fresno of the Pacific Coast League where he hit .409 in seven games with one home run and six RBI.
The 6-2, 200lb. left-handed batter was selected by San Francisco in the 2nd round of the 2002 First Year Player Draft. In four Major League seasons with the Giants he has appeared in 326 games posting a .277 batting average with 53 doubles, 16 triples, 16 home runs, 81 RBI and 34 stolen bases.
To make room for LEWIS, the Blue Jays have optioned OF JEREMY REED to Las Vegas of the Pacific Coast League and transferred RHP DUSTIN MCGOWAN from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day disabled list to make room on the 40-man roster.
Tom Back: Sorry to see that McGowan has been moved to the 60-day but I didn't expect him to back before 60. To bad for Reed to be sent down so quick. He looked good in RF tonight and got a hit and a walk tonight.
I'm hoping he'll end up in a platoon with Bautista but he'll have a full time job while Encarnacion is out, which will be a few more days. It will be interesting to see him, he has some speed and some power potential.
We are living in interesting times. Just a day after we put up the post wondering if we might pick him up.
John Lott Quoting Cito:
"Lewis is just going to be one of the guys coming off the bench and we'll try to get him in there once in a while as much as I can."
I don't understand trading for Lewis if he isn't going to play much but we'll see. Cito will want to see him before deciding what do do with him. I can imagine Cito wouldn't know much about Lewis yet since he played in the other league. Is entirely understandable that he would want to see him first hand before committing to anything.
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I posted a long comment on the last Lewis thread here
But it’s a day old and off the front page, so probably nobody saw it. I’ll repeat it here:
I’m going to jump in here and fill y’all in on Fred Lewis in what seems to be becoming a recurring feature: first Brian Bocock, then Merkin Valdez, now Fred Lewis.
The short version: Fred Lewis is a whole lot better than Merkin Valez or Brian Bocock.
The long version: Fred Lewis is a very useful player to have, but he’s also one of the most polarizing players around. You either love the guy or hate his guts.
If you hate him, it’s probably because you’re an old-school fan who turns up his or her nose at modern, Sabermetric analysis. You bemoan his lack of RBIs. You groan at all the times he strikes out looking. You look at his athletic ability, decide based on that he SHOULD be a star, but he’s not, so therefore he sucks. Above all, you think he’s the worst defensive outfielder in the history of the game, because sometimes he drops balls. Not THAT often – he had three errors last year – but when he does, he tends to do so in spectacular fashion, and it looks REALLY bad.
If you love him, it’s because you’re on board with the Sabermetric stuff. You love his OBP, his plate discipline, and his long at-bats that really make the pitcher work. You notice that, despite the occasional defensive blunder, he’s always been in positive UZR territory. In part, this is because a lot of left fielders are Adam Dunn – being above average in LF is a low bar to cross. It’s also because, despite having poor defensive instincts, he’s fast and athletic, and that makes up for the blunders. He has a nice throwing arm in LF, too.
Lewis had a really nice season for the Giants in 2008, and we were pretty thrilled. Not because he looked like a star in the making, but because Bill Mueller was the best home-grown position player the Giants had developed in the 20 years since Matt Williams arrived, and because he was the one guy on the whole damn team who wasn’t a hopeless hacker. It was pretty bleak, and Lewis was a breath of fresh air.
Unfortunately, in 2009, the Giants, in their infinite wisdom, decided to move him from hitting leadoff to #3. Prior to the season, they announced that, because of this move, they wanted him to transform himself into an aggressive power hitter. This was clearly idiotic – he’d never had a lot of power, but he had value anyway because of his plate discipline. In other words, they wanted him to go against his best quality as a hitter, and become someone he wasn’t. Early in the year, he pretty much looked like Fred Lewis – good OBP, not a lot of power. Then, around May, he got into a nasty slump that lasted, oh, a few weeks. Almost immediately, the fans who aren’t inclined to like him started braying for his blood – he only has 5 RBIs! He dropped that one ball, and that means he’s the worst defensive outfielder in the history of the game! Etc.
The Giants dropped him from the lineup, and he never found his way back – despite the fact that the other guys the Giants tried in LF – Eugenio Velez in particular – are clearly much worse players than Fred Lewis. What’s more, he recovered from that slump despite very limited opportunities – he posted a line of .277 / .388 / .398 after the All Star Break. Again, not great, but good enough to make him THE SECOND BEST HITTER ON THE TEAM after Pablo Sandoval. Still, his playing time just shrunk more and more as the season progressed, despite the fact that he was doing pretty nicely when he did play.
Anyway, the gist of it is this: no, Lewis isn’t a superstar. He won’t catapult the Blue Jays into contention with the Yankees just by showing up. But he’s a good, underrated player who can give you some real value if used the right way. Some people have mentioned using him in a platoon role – that would be a good idea. Against RHP, he’s .286 / .362 / .443 for his career – .285 / .352 / .457 in 2008, the one year he was an every day player.
A few more fun facts about Lewis:
- He’s the only left-handed hitter EVER to get four hits in a game off Randy Johnson
- He hit for the cycle just three days after his first call-up in 2007
- He stole home twice in 2008
- A not-fun-at-all fact: You may recall the story of Brad Ziegler’s skull being fractured by a line-drive while he was a minor leaguer; it was Lewis who hit the ball
Fred’s been one of my favorite Giants for the last few years. I’m really sad to see him go, even though it’s been a foregone conclusion for some time now. But I’m glad he’s at least winding up with another team I like.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
by jcb9 on Apr 15, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
thanks for the writeup jcb9
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As long as the compensation wasn't to much
and he doesn’t take PT from Snider. Hes 29, so hes got a couple years left in him of productive baseball and AA really did plan for a quick rebuild as most of our top prospects are pretty close so he should still be contributing when we compete.
The Giants can have Melkin Valdez back
after Carlson’s 10-day tour in Las Vegas is over.
So ...
Who else wants to see:
Lewis in RF vs RH, sit vs LH
Jobau at 3b vs RH, RF vs LH
EE sit vs RH, 3b vs LH
Can’t stand watching EE butcher it defensively. EE hits RH better than Jose, but not by a massive margin (759ops to 696ops).
That’s interesting. I assume he’ll take McCoy’s job once Hill is back then? For me, it’s anything to get EE out of that lineup … don’t do it for me, do it for all those GB Ricky Romero induces.
We'll see
Since he played in the other league Cito likely doesn’t know too much about him yet. Is quite understandable that he would want to see Lewis before committing to playing him. Give him a few days.
according to your platoon system
encarnacion would be in the lineup when Romero pitches
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by upstate jay fan on Apr 16, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I would not. By my estimate (quick and dirty math) EE would make about 7-8 more errors and Jose, and that doesn’t count the fact that he probably gets to less balls in play (very low range) and b/c of those 2 factors likely misses some outs that Jose would make.
On 600 ab, a 50ops diff is like a 25pt diff in batting average (b/c avg is double counted), so that’s 15 hits.
So you’re kind of looking at 15 more hits or 7-8 less errors and an undetermined additional amount of outs … I’d go with the glove in that case.
Also:
uzr/150 at third base:
bautista: -10.6
encarnacion: -12.3
we may be overstating bautista’s ability to play third
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I'd rather have E5 play because I think there is a lot more potential there
Fielding I think with a little work with Butterfield Edwin will get some better. Some were worried because he made errors in his first games this year. But he hasn’t made any the last few. He made an amazing throw from his knees across the diamond the other day. Bautista’s defense is really no terrific thing either.
EE has gotten worse defensively nearly every season of his career, statistically. This isn’t about a few errors in a few games. IN 2009 of all 3b w/ 400 or more innings, EE was dead last in UZR/150. 2008, 3rd last. 2007, 3rd last (behind Ryan Braun and G Atkins, oddly neither plays 3b anymore). If he does get any bit better it’s only b/c he really has nowhere else to go, he is the worst defensive 3b in baseball right now.
25 points is kind of a lot.
I still stand by what I said. I see where you’re coming from and I agree that its not huge but its still a decently size margin.
the difference between a 696 ops and a 769 ops
was the difference, last season, between cristian guzman and dexter fowler.
according to Fangraphs, Bautista against righties by career: .303 wOBA
Enacarnacion against righties by career: .333 wOBA
30 points of wOBA is fairly drastic. James Loney had a .332 wOBA (3.2 runs above average) last season. Pedro Feliz had a .302 wOBA (15.5 runs below average). Loney is a mediocre-fielding first baseman (similar overall defensive value to Encarnacion, who is well below-average, but plays third). Feliz is one of the better third base gloves in the league (much more defensive value than Bautista). Loney was worth 1.5 wins, Feliz was worth 1.3.
You’re free to stand on the side of Bautista here, I just don’t think most statistical evidence backs you up, particularly as Bautista grades out as a below-average third baseman, anyway (not just by UZR but also by TotalZone, not to mention his reputation amongst scouts).
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I think your data is skewing it a BIT too much for a couple reasons:
1) EE was a fine defender earlier in his career, but he’s getting worse … his weighted avg UZR/150 over the past 3 seasons is -14.4, where as Jose’s is -8.3 and actually improved nearly every season of his career … over the last 2 years it was -2 (w-avg)
2) you don’t need to analyze Lonery and Feliz and all that to complicate things … if you want to translate OBA to runs there is a formula, the difference over 600ab between .303 and .333 is about 15 runs
3) I would suggest EE’s bat is skewed positive by his home park over the bulk of his career
So what we have is ~15 for EE’s bat, ~6 for Jose’s glove, but this ignores EE’s playing in an extremely friendly park, his continued decline defensive vs. Jose’s continued improvement. In the end I suggest it’s close no matter what (remember, 10 runs is 1 win). Whether you agree with me or not (and most do not) I think it’s a LOT closer than people think.
I'm pretty sure
that wOBA is park-adjusted, so it doesn’t ignore EE’s playing in an extremely hitter-friendly park. You are correct in that it does not account for Bautista’s seeming improvement at third and EE’s seeming decline, however, I think EE’s incredibly bad defense last year had some to do with the wrist injury. So if that has actually healed, he should be a bit better just from that. In my opinion, Bautista hasn’t really played enough third the last couple years for us to know that he’s actually improved there.
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Unless something has changed, wOBA is not park adjusted from fangraphs. They park adjust when they do the WAR, but they don’t park adjust the straight wOBA, or the splits. So, I’m almost certain the #s you gave were not park adjusted. And the park adjustments would likely help Jose (time in PNC) and hurt EE (GAB).
And just for fun, EE hit for an 822ops in GAB from 07-09, 784overall. That puts him probably around 750-755ish on the road, and if he had the same R/L variance you’re looking at a road vs RH ops of probably 725-730 .. but that’s a loooong walk, I’m not trying to quantify it so much as to illustrate my point.
As for the wrist injury, sure, maybe. But again he just went from being the 3rd worst 3bman defensively in baseball in 07 & 08 to the worst in 09, so it’s not like he want from avg to bad, he went from terrible to terrible-r.
Re: Jose, fair enough. That’s why I used weight avg but to your point if the sample isn’t big enough UZR isn’t a good measure anyway so it’s a fair point that Jose’s glove may not have improved dramatically.
Again, overall I think you make some good points but I don’t think it’s as big a difference as many seem to assume. The best argument for playing EE is probably that his inflated history (due to GAB IMO) might actually made him a trading asset while Jose is still unlikely to have trade value either way. I think I just tend to value D a little more than most people as I hate the idea of Lind & Snider in the OF together more than most, don’t want to see Ruiz at 1b and would be glad to be rid of EE at 3b as well.
I agree it may not be a huge difference on the field
the difference is that we’re paying Encarnacion twice the money and I just don’t see the Jays paying him to sit, all other things being equal.
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Right, but I wasn’t ever trying to suggest the Jays will do it, my question was who wants to see it, b/c I kind of do … I’m just not an EE believer and, as I said, I probably (rightly or wrongly) value D a bit more than a lot of people seem to.
For what it’s worth, I fully expect things to stay as is for a while with Lewis maybe getting in once in a while. Actually, I think what might REALLY get people hot and bothered is not only may Bautista stay in RF vs RH, and stay in the leadoff spot vs RH, but now when we need a PH late in the game and a RH is on the mound (like a few nights ago v Jenks) it will be Lewis, and not Ruiz, that gets the call.
I value D very strongly, too
so I’m definitely receptive to your argument – I’m just not convinced that Bautista brings enough defense to compensate for the inability to hit right-handed pitching. Against lefties, you’d have a good case but Bautista already has a spot in the outfield then
I think you’re right about the immediate impact of the signing. For my part, I’ll be happy to see Lewis, and not Ruiz, getting the call in most (not all, I could see giving Ruiz the go in a situation where a walk didn’t help you and you wanted power) of those situations
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Good points all
and fair enough. Guys tend to play better at home anyway, but I do see your point, Great American is definitely an hitter’s ballpark. I guess my concerns are that I’m just not sure you’re getting much at all extra with the glove with Bautista and Encarnacion is younger and could potentially be an impact player.
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I disagree. EE has SOME chance to have a plus season as a full time hitter, JB has NONE. I don’t want to see Bautista anywhere near a bat when a RHP is on the mound unless injuries force it, just like i feel about Overbay when a lefty is out there.
Lewsi and JB platooning, when everyone is healthy, (as well as Overbay and Ortiz) is optimal, IMO.
Whatever we might gain on defense with JB at third (which is very marginal) over EE will be more than given back by his nonexistant bat vs RHP.
No thank you
EE is significantly better than Jose. An “injured for much of the last 2 years” EE was better and has been better than Jose…so a healthier one should only be even better.
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Typical Cito answer.....get used to this Freddie

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if getting Lewis
means less Bautista leading off against righties, I’m all for it. Lewis has good numbers against righties (.805 career OPS against them) and especially brings good on-base skills to the table, making him a decent platoon leadoff man. A straight platoon would remind me a bit of the Catalanotto-Johnson days, where neither guy was a complete player but both were very useful and successful in their roles.
I don’t get the idea of sitting Encarnacion to use Bautista at third. We’re paying Encarnacion close to $5 million – if all we wanted for that money was a poor-fielding third baseman against lefties only, we had that for half the cost in Bautista and we could’ve just non-tendered Edwin. That we kept him means, to me, that he’s going to play everyday and see whether he can turn into a merely below-average third baseman instead of a really terrible one. I’m not particularly confident in that scenario, but if it works out the Jays have a very useful player under team control for another season. He’s a far better hitter than Bautista because he can hit righties (although of course he has to show he can bounce back from the wrist injury and poor 2009).
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Too bad for Reed
Gotta feel bad for Jeremy Reed. When he signed, though it was a minor league deal, he probably felt pretty confident about making the team – at least as the fourth outfielder, or maybe even getting a regular slot if Snider faltered in spring training. Only able to control his part, all he did was go out and produce one of the top offensive performances on the team in spring training. Failing to make the team came as somewhat of a shock, but at least he was first in line to make it back to the big league team. Sure enough a spot opens up quickly and he’s called up, only to now have the Jays trade for another outfielder who’s now ahead of him on the depth chart. Now it’s back to AAA and who knows if/when he’ll get called up again this year. Can be a tough game.
Its a head scratcher cuz I think Reed could have done the same Job as they got Lewis for.
Unless Cito all of sudden start to steal bases and play some small ball.
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it is tough for Reed
a former top prospect. But it hasn’t been a fun ride for Lewis either – he was once considered one of the Giants better young hitters and now he’s getting released in his prime and the manager of the team that picks him up has already gone on the record that he’ll be coming off the bench and that the manager will “try to get him in” (though I think he’ll get more playing time than that and Cito just doesn’t want to make it seem like the new guy doesn’t have to earn his spot, which is smart). I remember when some SF reporter wrote an (admittedly ridiculous) article about how he was better than Barry Bonds.
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Lewis
Been doing some quick research over lunch and it looks like the perception is that the Giants botched his development in some ways, trying to fit him into roles he wasn’t suited for. If that’s the case, he might be welcoming the change of scenary, and it’s not like he can’t take Bautista’s spot if he rediscovers his 2008 form.
I would like to see...
When facing a RHP, i would like to see Fred Lewis in RF, have Bautista play 3B and sit Encarnacion. That would provide better D at 3B, and a good fielding RF with a decent career OPS + speed batting lefthanded.
Encarnacion is not really a good full time player. He’s definitely a well below average fielder and doesn’t provide enough offensively except occasional power. The problem is, I’m not sure Encarnacion would be a quality platoon player since it seems he would require a lot of AB’s to get in rhythm and be productive – he may decline more in that type of situation.
Encarnacion's Defense
Ow, wow, I just went to baseball reference to check up on Encarnacion’s Defensive stats. Wanted to know whether my eyes were playing tricks on me or not. Nope:
in 541 GP at third base, Edwin has:
- a career Fld% of .937 vs. a league avergae of .956% during that time.
- a range factor (RF/9) of .253 vs. league avg. .267
- Albeit early, 3 errors / .903 Flg% in 9 games
And this is all being accomplished in the PRIME of his career.
Looking forward to seeing Marcum pitch tonight.
taking the Bautista-Encarnacion thing out of the equation for the moment
Lewis hasn’t played much right field at all in the majors – I wonder if the Jays would consider having Snider slide over to right on days when Lewis starts.
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Either Or
Lewis could handle it but he’s not avergae defesively. Snider seems way not quick and agile this year. He’s looks like he can actually cover some ground. See that sliding catch he made yesterday? He deserves credit for getting in good shape.
I agree that Snider is in better shape this year and he deserves kudos for that … but the guy just takes TERRIBLE routes to balls. He reads the ball off the bat very poorly. Even in one ST game I saw him make a diving catch (nice) on a play where he should have been camped under the ball had he not ran the wrong way at first. On the plus side that ball probably drops last year, on the negative side he’s making easy plays look tough.
I can’t say I know enough about Lewis to say who should play RF or LF, but if Lewis’ arm is better I’d say put him there. I also really like the idea of settling Snider in at LF b/c that’s likely where he’ll be long term, let him learn the routes and read the ball and such. If we stick Snider in RF and then move him 2 years from now when we get a better RFer (which is likely, b/c even if Snider can “handle” RF he’ll not likely be great) we may have a learning curve for him in LF and it’s better to do that now rather than later.
More on Lewis
Nice little conversation on this topic also going on over at this SB Nation site.
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