Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Champions League Preview with Jimmy Conrad

Two Homers from Vernon Wells, Jays Beat Rangers.

Blue Jays 7 Rangers 4

Games are much better when we win. We got 7 runs on just 5 hits tonight, but the 10 (!) walks helped. And Vernon Wells, crushed two home runs, 2 for 3, 4 runs, 3 RBI and a walk for good measure. That gives him 3 homers and 6 RBI after two games. Wait till he gets warmed up. Alex Gonzalez had a home run as well, it was helped some by the wind blowing out to center. 

Travis Snider and Jose Bautista drove in a run each on bases loaded walks. Snider also had a double, but then was caught off second on a ground ball to the hole at short. It took a terrific play by Elvis Andrus to catch him, but it likely cost Aaron Hill an infield single. 

We didn't play flawless defense. Edwin Encarnacion made his second error of the season, a ground ball that went right through his legs. He did drive in a run with a sac fly, but he is going to drive us to drink with his D. Jose Bautista booted an easy to pick up ball on a single to him in RF. Then Alex Gonzalez threw the ball away on the same play. So the three errors cost us 2 runs.

Brian Tallet pitched a fine game. I don't like him in the rotation, but no way do I cheer against him. He ate 6.2 innings, gave up just 4 hits, 3 walks, 4 runs, 2 earned, struck out 6. He did give up 2 home runs. One crushed by Vlady on a pitch that was above the strike zone. I have no idea where you should pitch him. And one by Nelson Cruz, that was helped out by the wind. 

Kevin Gregg pitched a perfect 1.1 innings, looked great. Jason Frasor gave us a moment of worry, allowing a lead off double to Chris Davis, but then got 3 straight outs, with 2 K's. That's a save without at least a moment of concern.

Jays of the Day are Vernon Wells (.276 WPA), Kevin Gregg (.156) and Travis Snider (.135). I almost took Snider's JoD away for the bad base running but he did a great job taking the bases loaded walk. Honorable Mention to Tallet whose WPA number was hurt by the errors behind him. He pitched a strong game. Suckage Jay was Aaron Hill with a -.128 WPA. He did take a walk today but ground out with the bases loaded to end the fourth and was 0 for 4..

So after two games, we've had two really good performances from our starting pitchers. And after two games we have three regulars still looking for their first hits: Jose Bautista (who hit everything thrown at him this spring), Lyle Overbay (who also had a good spring) and Edwin Encarnacion. Bautista has 3 walks and Overbay 4 so isn't like they haven't been helping. Edwin has a walk and an RBI. 

Tomorrow's game is a 2:00 Eastern start. Ricky Romero goes against C.J. Wilson. The Game Thread was great fun tonight, so join in tomorrow if you can.

Man it is great to see Vernon have a hot start. 

Comment 42 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

scoring decision

Since Snider’s out at second was not a force out, does the Scorer have the discretion to give Hill a single as opposed to a fielder’s choice?

by ayjackson on Apr 8, 2010 12:29 AM EDT reply actions  

seems wierd though, because if he was caught going first to third,

or over running second, Hill would have been given a single. It seems they should have the option of ruling Hill a single

by ayjackson on Apr 8, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

though i agree based on experience

that it would always be a fielder’s choice.

by ayjackson on Apr 8, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think so.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

YAAAAAAAAH I told you Wells was going to be a beast this year! He’s gonna lead the league in HRs and RBIs and win the MVP and prove everyone wrong! And he’s gonna lead the Jays to the WS…….ok, maybe I won’t get ahead of myself just yet, but it is nice to see Wells starting the season strong, lets just hope he can keep it up. And Tallet pitched a pretty decent game today too. Cruz HR helped by the wind? Sounds like the first game. As for Guerrero, he can pretty much hit a HR from anywhere…hell, he golfs the ball out a lot of times.

by Icedragon on Apr 8, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Cruz got more of this one then the one on opening day. This one was a line drive that at worst was gonna bounce off the wall but the wind kept it up just enough to get over the wall.

The one on opening day was a flyball that just kept traveling.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cruz is a beast

Just imagine how far those would have gone had he actually gotten something on them.

Knights, Canucks, Dolphins, Jays and Raptors all the way.

by Jevant on Apr 8, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know. Scary eh?

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

CJ Wilson from closer to middle reliever to Starter…..

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I was a bit concerned to see the Jays commit 3 errors tonight…that gives them what, 4 errors in 2 games? Hopefully they’re better defensively than that as the year progresses, because they’ve already got enough things working against them.

by Icedragon on Apr 8, 2010 12:48 AM EDT reply actions  

E5

I like this comment from someone on a story over at MLB.com:

BlueJayinIowa wrote:
Glad to see Encarnacion really shining this season. He’s on pace to commit 162 errors and bat 0.00. Based on his history I don’t see why he can’t do both this season!! PUT MCDONALD IN AT 3RD!!! He would be infinitely better than that chump Encarnacion!!
4/8/2010 12:37:47 AM

If you’re going to be bad, you might as well make an achievement out of it – let’s see if Encarnacion can make it E5 for a third game in a row on Thursday. Out of curiosity, what’s the MLB record for “consecutive games with an error”? Can only seem to find the records for games without an error – isn’t anyone interested in historic failure? :P

by jabalong on Apr 8, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It really is amazing

how folks will go overboard after a game or two. Encarnacion makes two errors and we should play McDonald. Frasor blows a save and we should use Downs as closer. Maybe a little perspective could be had. If that person thinks he’s going to make 162 errors, he’s also on pace for 81 sac flies and 81 walks. Jose Bautista is on pace for 81 errors and a .0 BA.

by Tom Dakers on Apr 8, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right of course, it’s silly to extrapolate anything so early. The tone of that guy’s post just made me laugh. I would be curious to know though what the record is for consecutive games with an error if anyone knows where to find it. It would be fun to actually find a page of streaks of bad stuff as when I Google it seems to just turn up streaks for good things.

by jabalong on Apr 8, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

FanGraphs projection of Vernon Wells' start

Speaking of this, found an article on FanGraphs about Vernon Wells’ start and what it might mean for the season.

by jabalong on Apr 8, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got a point there, but...

E5 here was rather prone to errors last year as well. Moreover when you get here in a trade for Scott Rollen, people are going to watch your D at 3rd rather closely.

Put Millar back on 3B!!!

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Apr 8, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its fine to watch his 3rd base defensive abilities…. but to compare him to Rolen is a bit unfair. It wasn’t a one for one deal and everyone who watches the Jays knew we weren’t getting a good defensive 3rd baseman back….

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't compare him to Scottie

But when you’re the starting 3B, you should be up-to-par.
It’s not as if he’s a great bat or something…

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Apr 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said when you are in a trade with Rolen people are going to watch your D very closely. While you may not mean you are comparing the two it definitely means someone is.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. More than one "someone" compare them

Even without the comparison, we should do better than an error-prone 3B. I’m sure E5 has a big upside, and I hope we get to glimpse it soon.

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Apr 8, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, though...

I think 3B is going to be one of our weakest links this year, and I thought so before spring..

Edwin, please prove me wrong! I’ll eat my hat. gladly. Well… at least I’ll chew on it…

Festina Lente

by HESS2479 on Apr 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Vernon Wells, crushed two home runs, 2 for 3, 4 runs, 3 RBI and a walk for good measure.

Something doesn’t seem to add up there. Did he reach base on an error?

I am the commenter formerly known as Belligerent Burkie

Follow me on twitter @CoolJ90

by CoolJ90 on Apr 8, 2010 12:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Hit by pitch which doesn’t count as an at bat for Vernon.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

what is WPA?

I am the commenter formerly known as Belligerent Burkie

Follow me on twitter @CoolJ90

by CoolJ90 on Apr 8, 2010 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

WPA?

I see the definition for WPA on the main page (“Win Probability Added, basically the amount a players adds to or subtracts from our chance of winning a game.”) and found a small blurb on Wikipedia, but how do you actually calculate it to get those numbers?

by jabalong on Apr 8, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

it is quite complicated

basically at any given point in the game, each team has a certain probability of winning called win expectancy. The expectancy is based on decades of statistical data.

By looking at how a team’s win expectancy changes from one play to the next, you can assess the value of that particular play to the team’s chances of winning. How it changes based on any given play is called win probability added. It is context dependent – in other words, a single in the 9th with two outs and the bases loaded adds a lot more win probability than a single in the 3rd with the bases empty.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 8, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

because it is based on a complicated probabalistic model

and reams of data, you can’t really calculate it yourself at home. We get our WPA data from Fangraphs, which tracks and logs the WPA of each play as it happens

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Apr 8, 2010 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I’ll have a look at the site.

Interestingly, on the page for this game, Brian Tallet is the first star of the game – though I think that’s just based on user votes, like a poll.

by jabalong on Apr 8, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs is an amazing statistical resource for Baseball nerds.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vernon!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Couldn’t have scripted a better start.

Sports And The City

A Toronto sports blog, where unabashed homerism is alive and well...

PLAYOFFS!!!!1

by eyebleaf on Apr 8, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice Win

Vernon Wells was awesome!

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Apr 8, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

i knew it!

I had predicted Wells would hit over 200 home runs this year. That’s why I drafted him in fantasy. So far, I’m looking smart. Haha.

by NHfishercatsfan on Apr 8, 2010 6:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One crushed by Vlady on a pitch that was above the strike zone. I have no idea where you should pitch him.

The best way to pitch Vlady is to wait until he’s hungover… and handcuffed prior to throwing the ball.

by dexfarkin on Apr 8, 2010 8:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t even know how to pitch Vladdy. He can swing at anything and make good contact with it. I guess you need a pitch or two with wicked movement either away from him or in on his hands

I am the commenter formerly known as Belligerent Burkie

Follow me on twitter @CoolJ90

by CoolJ90 on Apr 8, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s just got insanely strong quick wrists and a great eye. Guys like that don’t have holes in their swing.

by dexfarkin on Apr 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have seen him hit a ball that was bounced in the dirt… so yeah that sounds about right.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Apr 8, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s just some guys that can get the bat on everything. Vladdy, Joe Medwick, Yogi Berra; they can hack away outside the zone and make good contact somehow.

by dexfarkin on Apr 8, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwin Encarnacion made his second error of the season, a ground ball that went right through his legs. He did drive in a run with a sac fly, but he is going to drive us to drink with his D.

Haha, that’s right

by zeusmith on Apr 8, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Win by The Jays Though

Although their offensive output was in many ways given to them by all the walks the Rangers allowed, they deserve credit for taking them.

And what happened to Vernon Wells this year; what a beast! Wellsy!

by zeusmith on Apr 8, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Good things all around. Brian Talent pitched pretty good. VW got me to bench Josh Hamilton thou.

"I knew when my career was over. In 1965, my baseball card came out with no picture."

— Bob Uecker

by syc on Apr 8, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about our heroic azure-tinged corvidae, the Toronto Blue Jays.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Brett Lawrie's historic defensive prowess

Recent FanPosts

Small
Jays Future Closer?
N41306733_31278203_7401_steve_golfin_small
my MLB power ranking, May Edition
Jaysfanimage_small
Blue Jays Farm Report - Apr 29-May 5
Jaysfanimage_small
BBBers on Twitter
Grain-of-salt_small
An Open Letter to John Farrell (and the Blue Jays front office)
Small
WAR worries?
Small
NHL Mentality?
Profiel_small
Bluebirdbanter League at Fangraphs the Game
Small
Frustration...

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Yahoo_full_count

Managers

Bluejayperched_small hugo

Rincewind-1_small Tom Dakers

Assistant Manager

Smith_up_small JohnnyG

Authors

Hiro_small jessef

Profile_small masterkembo

Profiel_small Woodman663

Minorleaguer_small Minor Leaguer

Tony_fernandez_small TonyFernandezSavedMyLife

Moderators

J_bau_small jays182

Aejfuulciaar18g_small Bowling_Guy25