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Great Expectations, We Had the Greatest Expectations: June Amateur Draft Preview

Hi everyone.  Checking in from sunny Des Moines, Iowa, which is nicer than you'd think. 

Anyway, I thought this was a good opportunity to take an early look at the upcoming draft, which is June 7-9.  For a team like the Jays, who aren't likely to pony up for Sabathia or Teixiera-like massive free agent superstar contracts, drafting elite talent is absolutely essential to success, particularly in the brutal AL East.  Historically, the Jays have been excellent at drafting and developing very fine major-league caliber players but perhaps haven't been as successful at drafting and developing true superstar-type talent in recent years (though that, too, appears to be changing). 

This June, Alex Anthopolous will have his first turn at the helm.  But let's not oversell that - Anthopolous has always been heavily involved in the draft - typically, GMs (and JP Ricciardi was no exception) only personally get involved in the very early rounds of the draft. This year, the Jays pick 11th, 34th, 38th, and 41st overall within the first round (including the first comp round) and Anthopolous will surely be heavily involved in those choices.

This draft is significant for another reason - the Jays have a golden opportunity to flood their system with talent.  To use a Ricciardi-ism, they have a "boatload" of picks (10 picks in the first 4 rounds, 8 in the first 100 picks, in fact) coming from free agent compensation and from the team's failure to sign a number of high-round picks last year.  Everything points to a big draft for the Jays.  Motivated, smart GM?  Check.  Lots of picks?  Check.  Plenty of money devoted to signing players?  Check.  Willingness to go over slot?  Check.  Commitment to draft best available talent?  Check. It should be very fun. 

Each of those things is very important, and each plays into the others.  A team can draft better talent than would otherwise be available in any given position by being willing to go over slot (MLB's recommended signing bonus for a given draft position).  But then of course you have to have the money to sign all that talent.  I've always subscribed to the theory that the team should draft best available talent without giving much thought to current organizational need at any particular position (i.e. don't draft a 3B who isn't the best available talent just because the Jays might not have a long-term solution there currently in the system).  The best thing to do is get a mix of high-ceiling talent and more projectible talent.  The Jays have been excellent at getting major league contributors (particularly on the mound) in the middle rounds and later (Marcum, Janssen, Litsch, Rzepczynski, etc) and have a lot of depth in their system in starting pitching so arguably they should be confident in their talent evaluation and shoot for someone with ace potential if they are drafting a pitcher in the 1st round.

This draft Q&A over at the great site the Hardball Times will get you started.  And SB Nation has its own great site devoted to the draft, MLB Bonus Baby, has more draft coverage than you will ever want or need.  It's a must read as the draft grows nearer.   

Title from the Gaslight Anthem song "Great Expectations"

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I think it’s 100% sure that the Jays will draft Asher Wojciechowski, just to drive us folks that can’t spell crazy. I wonder if that is more scrabble points than Rzepczynski?

by Tom Dakers on May 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

The tandem of Wojciechowski-Rzepczynski sounds like a perogie brand.

by dexfarkin on May 19, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was in a "perogy band" in high school.

We would play at the doors of Ukrainian weddings and then drink for free. Good times.
Asher and Mark were not in my band.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a pretty sweet deal.

by dexfarkin on May 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

We had 4 songs. 3 Ukrainian songs and “About a girl” by Nirvana. My buddy learned how to play it on Accordion…it was pretty sweet.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 19, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young female busker on the corner by my subway stop plays ‘My Name Is Jonas’ on the accordian. It’s kind of the coolest thing I’ve ever heard.

by dexfarkin on May 19, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Willingness to go over slot? Check

Do we know this? We didn’t last year and I’m sure JP would have loved to pay them over slot, I always figured it was the cheque (check to you Hugo) writer that wouldn’t pony up the extra cash.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 19, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

They did go over slot for players last year.

It was just 3 out of the top 5 picks wanted more then the Jays had pegged for them (Which I assume was somewhere over slot)

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on May 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

we did go well over slot last year

But for some of our draftees we didn’t go over enough

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 19, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let's hope we actually sign our picks this time

Unlike last year, where I believe we only signed 1 guy out of the first 5 rounds. All I ask if that if you pick a player with Scott Boras as his agent, be prepared to pay the piper or don’t pick him. Last year’s debacle set back our farm system – not in a devastating or insurmountable way, but in a way a now average farm system can’t afford.

by zeusmith on May 19, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

You mean Scott Boras as his ‘advisor’
Undrafted players are not eligible to have agents.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on May 19, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

we signed

Jenkins and Marsinick. Didn’t sign Paxton, Eliopolous, or Barrett. I agree it was a blow – but we did get some picks back and now it looks like we have the cash (and the incentive, since there will be no further compensation for them) to make them count.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yep

I’d imagine that they’d use those specific picks to go for signability-type guys and use the rest of the picks for reach-type high-ceiling guys

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on May 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it seemed more prononced after years of ‘Help Me I Can’t Stand Dead Air’ Ricciardi.

by dexfarkin on May 19, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Go purchase the Field of Dreams site

While you are in Iowa. That would be deadly.

by Rhinos on May 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Michael Choice at 11th

I pick Michael. Basically an Adam Lind who can play RF, has as good a hitting tool as Adam but more power. Son – welcome to Toronto.

by Mylegacy on May 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

no i dont think so…
hes good but i think there is better talent available at 11
i would rather have Josh Sale at 11 who reminds a lot of people of Travis Snider

Austin Wilson could also be interesting

by FenixL on May 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Jays go 19-102 from now on, take Bryce Harper, win WS in 2014, 2015, 2016

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on May 19, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't Bryce Harper overwhelmingly likely to sign this year

with the nationals?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on May 19, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sale? or Wilson
anyways i have seen a lot of mocks where they are both available at 11 thats why i said their names

by FenixL on May 19, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something about the Scutaro deal that has been bothering me for a while

I know the Jays get a sandwich pick and Boston’s second overall pick because Boston signed Lackey.
But doesn’t anyone think there is something wrong that Boston still gets a first round pick from losing Bay? Shouldn’t that New York Met pick technically go to the Jays or Angels? It seems a little weird that a team can lose their pick, and sign another player losing their second pick, but retain a first round pick by letting Bay go to New York.

In a fair world, the New York first round pick should go to LA via Boston, Boston’s first round pick should to to Toronto.

by Joey P on May 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

I think his point is that it’s a stupid rule. Remember last draft, where the Jays’ compensation for A.J. Burnett was a 3rd rounder but the Yankees still got to draft in the first round because they failed to sign their pick in ’08?

At the absolute very least, teams whose FA are signed by teams with protected (or already-lost) picks should be compensated with an extra sandwich pick (which I would put before the normal compensation round).

It would look something like this:

First Round
Sandwich Round for protected or already-lost picks
Normal Sandwich Round (Type B or Type A second picks)

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on May 19, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I misunderstood

I thought he was asking why the Jays didn’t get the Met’s pick.

by IanJ on May 19, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all the picks gained from team X signing free agents should be consecutive

in the spot where the first such pick is now, in order of elias ranking. So if the Yankees have the 25th pick and sign Teixeira, Burnett, and CC, the Angels get 25a, the Brewers get 25b, and we get 25c. (The Yankees still lose picks in the first 3 rounds.)

They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.

by Torgen on May 19, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's even more fair than my suggestion

What about for teams with protected picks? I guess the team who lost the free agent receive a pick right after the team that signed him?

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on May 19, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know

what the recommended bonuses are for each slot position. That is does anyone know what MLB recommends the Jays should pay their 11th round selection?

by IanJ on May 19, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

regardless of what they should pay

i dont think there is any chance of them not signing whoever it is.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on May 19, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

just a guess

maybe 1.5 million? more?
there might be a site out there that has the recommended bonus for the 1st round

again im just guessing

by FenixL on May 19, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

My understanding is the numbers for slot change a bit each year

in 2007 slot for the 11th pick was $1, 710, 000 and Seattle went over it a little for Phillipe Aumont. Slot for the number 1 pick was $3.6 million.

by Tom Dakers on May 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have looked more

Last year slot for the 11th pick was $1, 791, 000 and the Rockies signed Tylak Matzek for $3.5 million.

by Tom Dakers on May 19, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and of course Strasburg signed for over $15 million

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 19, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was that over slot?

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on May 19, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha just a bit

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 20, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, yes it is

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 19, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of music (and you're right, that song is great),

for the longest time I thought your name was actually jetstobrazil

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on May 19, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paxton will get re-drafted by the Jays

Maybe with one of the sandwich picks and he’ll end up signing for whatever the Jays put in front of him. This might happen because, well,

1) Paxton’s, apparently, the last time I checked, has not looked good in a independent pro league. Very rusty.

2) Boras might want this shady situation to end. MLB execs might want it to end too because they aren’t the type of execs that likes to make waves (see the whole Arizona boycott thing).

by bleh on May 19, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The whole Paxton situation has gotten really ugly

Do the Jays really want to risk one of their top picks going after someone embroiled in legal troubles, especially when its the Jays front office that might have inadvertently instigated that legal trouble. After all it was Beeston’s press release that the NCAA used as evidence to pursue their investigation.

I suppose if he lets the Jays draft him he may have forgive their role in this mess but I don’t think this is the sort of situation that will end in a “Happily ever after”.

by IanJ on May 19, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Boras please

I’d be very happy if the Jays avoid any Scott Boras clients. Can’t stand the guy and frankly to me any player who signs with him is suspect in my view – says to me that he’s a money first, screw anything else kind of player, which only means problems down the road when you want to resign them.

by jabalong on May 19, 2010 11:12 PM EDT reply actions  

not clients, advisees, haha

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 20, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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