Lewis Must Go!
by Joey P on Jul 26, 2010 8:32 PM EDT
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I have been a big fan of Lewis all season. I love lead-off hitters with a decent average and a little pop in their bat even if their OBP is a little low. But I am feeling his time in Toronto must come to an end. Snider has always been our superstud prospect and I do not understand why Lewis should prevent Snider from playing. Now that we have Escobar, we essentially have a guy that can lead-off for the remainder of the year. I feel it is time to cash in on Lewis and get what you can for him. He has been great, but Snider comes first.
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I don't see how Lewis prohibits Snider playing
When he comes back, stick him in RF, move JoBau to 3B and DFA Edwin
by craig in calgary on Jul 26, 2010 8:35 PM EDT reply actions
DFA Edwin when he is on a 10-game hitting streak?
why not move him to 1B when the opposing SP is a lefty?
Edwin could break DiMaggios record and if I was hired as GM the next day, my first move would be to DFA Edwin.
by craig in calgary on Jul 26, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
you're wasting trade bait
someone who breaks DiMaggios records should at least fetch you a draft pick or sth…..
I would do it on principal.
If the Philies offered me a combo of Dominic Brown and Jayson Werth, I would turn it down and send him to Dunedin
by craig in calgary on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd much rather see a bunch of guys get one day off a week.
Overbay, Lewis, Lind, Wells, Snider, EE and Bautista can each have a rest now and then.
I would too, but will Cito actually do it?
I am not convinced that Lewis will be any better than he is at the current moment. Lewis could be a decent addition to an already great team, but he isn’t the type of player that is going to make us any better in the future. He is what he is, and his ceiling isn’t astronomically high. If Cito isn’t going to rotate guys, then I would rather see Snider playing than Lewis. Snider’s potential might be big enough to take us up a level as his ceiling is much higher than Lewis’. Decent OF like Lewis are not that hard to come by; heck, it didn’t take much for AA to even get him.
Snider will come up and Jobau will play some RF and 3B, Snider can play LF and RF as can Lewis
People will just get some days off.
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If there’s a deal that involves getting more than expected for Lewis, then yeah, move him. However, moving him for the sake of someone that plays a completely different type of game than Lewis (Snider) doesn’t really make sense. Lewis has done nothing but get on base and has been a more than effective leadoff guy for the Jays.
Also, can Escobar lead off or has he lead off before? He’s doing well in the 2 hole so I would suggest leaving him there.
He’s always put up his best numbers in the 2 hole, any talk of him being an effective Leadof guy is just speculation. Lewis must stay, he’s the only legitimate leadoff guy we have (maybe in the system, except Mastroianni).
by T_Mizz on Jul 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
do we have to go over
the lineup optimization myth again?
good players (like Fred Lewis, career OPS+ 105 and 116 this year, with at least average LF defense) are better than bad players. especially if AA is planning to trade Bautista (IMO he should be, but that’s a different story)
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Yes I believe we do
And while we’re at it let’s bring it up with every manager on the face of the Earth.
Although it may not be concrete, those axioms are there by way of sound logic. It stands to reason that you’d want your big hitters to come up with guys on, therefore it would be nice to have guys with good OBPs hitting ahead of them. In addition to the fact you’d like the runners to be on, you’d also like them to be in scoring position, increasing the value of speed at the top of the order.
So to review, OBP and speed at the top of the lineup is good. I agree that having a bad player at the top of the order is bad but Fred Lewis has proven to be anything but.
by T_Mizz on Jul 27, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If your big hitters are really big hitters
then you don’t care if the guys on base are in ‘scoring position’. First base is scoring position for big hitters. It’s your little hitters who need guys to be in scoring position.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
I don’t know what you consider a big hitter but no one hits an extra base hit every single at bat, big hitters will hit extra base hits more often but the more guys you get on base ahead of them and the closer they are to scoring the better.
by T_Mizz on Jul 27, 2010 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the 'optimal lineup'
is this: your best hitters at the top of the lineup, your worst at the bottom. even then, going from the worst possible lineup (think McDonald, Yunel’s 2010 ATL numbers, Encarnacion batting 1-2-3) isn’t even worth a win over the course of a season. so while it’s fun to argue, certainly, there’s no reason at all to take a perfectly solid player out for a slightly better one when you can take out a much worse player (EE) instead
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I like Lewis and Escobar at the top of the order.
I’m going to bring up a guy who for some reason has a Teflon coating when it comes to fan criticism. I wonder if this team really needs a 26 year old DH who is a defensive liability in the field going forward. A lot of people are reluctant to keep Bautista around for fear this season is a fluke, I wonder if last season wasn’t a fluke for Lind.
Lind and his 4 year contract aren't going anywhere
Whether we want them to or not.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Lind wont replicate last seasons performance
But only in the power department. His ISO in 09 was .257… its never been higher than about .200 since his AA days.
He can hit .300, hit a lot of doubles, and probably 20 HR… but i wouldn’t be surprised if he led the league in “just enough” homers last year.
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you're thinking of Hill
Lind’s HR spray chart from 2009 was a thing of beauty
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but he does that with _all_ his hits
not just dingers. and his doubles were WAY down last season too, so almost definitely just a HR/FB abberation
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Both Hill and Lind hit more homers than they ever will again
Lind had a nice spray chart, but he didnt absolutely crush too many balls. I remember a lot of his homers landing in the bullpens, rather than in the seats.
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Fred Lewis is one of the better leadoff guys in the league
We have nobody who can take his place in the lineup… If we put Yunel batting leadoff, who will we have batting 2nd? Lewis hits a lot of singles and doubles, and he has speed. Yunel is the perfect #2 guy… we really dont have anyone else on the team who can work the count and walk consistently, other than jobau who needs to be batting cleanup.
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Agreed.
I tend to agree. If Lewis is taken playing time from Snider — and I think he is thatn he is a liability. But if Lewis is our LF, Snider is our RF and JBau is our 3B going forward (as I think they should be) that is a different scenerio. That said, the Jays have made it clear that we have future line-up looking something like this…
C – D’Arnaud/Arencebia
1B – Wallace
2B – Hill
3B – Escobar/Hech/?
SS – Hech/Escobar
LF – Snider
CF – Wells
RF – ?
DH – Lind
Obviously this wouldn’t be the order. But the team has made it clear that Lewis is not part of the Jays future and the Hech is probably most likely our lead-off man of the future. When this future begins is the question. Until than though, I’d suggest keep Lewis and playing Snider in RF. If Cito is set against doing so, and everything he says seems to imply that every time he does it he gets pissed off just a little bit than playing Lewis in place of Snider should never have been an option.
That was a bit of a ramble…
But the team has made it clear that Lewis is not part of the Jays future
When was this said? I’m not saying it wasn’t, but I certainly don’t recall. In your aforementioned lineup there is a questionmark in RF and I can’t see why Lewis couldn’t play there? The other option is slide Vern over to RF and have Wise/Lewis/Carl Crawford play centre.
Oh ya, Jays should get Carl Crawford :)
by craig in calgary on Jul 27, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
To bad Crawford has already been fitted for a pinstripe suit
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You’re right. Its merely been implied. I actually think we should have JBau there going forward. Watching what happened to Markakis I can say he has a crazy arm! I see no problem with the following potential order…
SS – Hech
3B – Escobar
RF – Bautista
CF – Wells
DH – Lind
2B – Hill
1B – Wallace
C – D’Anaud/Arencebia
LF – Snider
I feel bad about having Snider hit last, but honestly this is kinda how it falls.
Your the only one that thinks its Lewis keeping Snider out of the lineup.
Everyone else believes when they come up they will rotate EE, Lewis, Snider and Bautista around. Most people (And insiders too) figured Snider would be up for this Orioles series but then the whole doubleheader messed that up.
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For the time being you are correct. In a perfect world we’d be able to turn EE into a util 3B/1B/DH. But somehow I doubt this. I feel like his contract forces him to play if he’s in the majors. If we cannot get rid of him by Sat I don’t see how Snider comes up until the roster expansion. But going into next year Snider needs to be in LF. If Lewis is there than Snider is the one losing most. Bottom line. He has nothing left to prove. He is either part of the solution in Toronto or he isn’t.
Snider will split time with Lewis and Jobau in the corner OF spots
Jobau will also spell EE at 3rd.
That is how it will work.
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nope, not really
but what is so bad about a rotation, when you have several players who all deserve to play?
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