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Ball of Confusion, That's What the World Is Today: Jays 6, Red Sox 5


Whoa!  I did not expect that. 

On the Mound:

Brad Mills didn't really have his stuff working and, like other Jays pitchers this series, he struggled with the long ball.  Mills got into trouble early with walks and later on with home runs and gave up 4 runs over 4.  He did strike out 7 and walk just 2 over four innings, so it wasn't all bad, but someone with his batted ball tendencies is going to have to be more careful with powerful lineups to succeed in the bigs. 

At the Plate:

The Jays actually did a nice job of putting runners on against Sox starter John Lackey, but it didn't materialize into many runs until the 9th.  Through the first 8, the Jays scored only two runs, both on double play groundouts, despite some nice chances.  Then in the 9th, with the Jays facing a sweep and down by 3, things really picked up.  Jose Bautista (1-3 with a walk) lead off the inning by hitting his 36th home run and chasing Lackey out of the game.  Jonathan Papelbon, not an individual for whom I care very much, took over and prompty gave up an opposite field double to Vernon Wells (2-4).  Adam Lind (2-4) then singled Wells in for his second hit of the game.  Cito substituted Dewayne Wise in as a pinch-runner for Lind.  Wise swiped second and then moved to third when Aaron Hill (2-4) hit a sharp ground ball up the middle that Papelbon blocked with his leg.  Paps stayed in the game to strike out Travis Snider (1-4) but then Edwin Encarnacion (1-4) came up with a huge double to tie the score and put Hill, the winning run, on third base with just one out.  Lyle Overbay batted for Jose Molina and was walked to load the bases.  Daniel Bard then came in to face Fred Lewis and Lewis lifted a fly ball to centre to give the Jays the win and narrowly avoid the sweep.  He didn't get to bat in the all-important 9th, but Yunel Escobar had a couple of hits. 

From the Pen:

With the Jays' starters struggling this whole series, the bullpen stepped up this game.  David Purcey relieved Mills in the 5th and pitched well (1 2/3 innings, 1 hit, no walks, a K) until he was forced to leave the game when he stepped awkwardly on first base while covering.  He's a DL candidate and it'll be interesting to see who gets called up if he goes on the list - maybe Accardo?  Jason Frasor pitched a scoreless 7th.  Scott Downs gave up a run scoring triple in the 8th after a fairly cheapie double but then struck out Jacoby Ellsbury with a runner on third to limit the damage.  Kevin Gregg then pitched a clean ninth in what looked like make-work mopup duty at the time but turned out to be a key inning and made a winner out of him when the Jays scored 4 in the bottom of the ninth. 

Narrowly avoiding a sweep at home is usually hardly cause for celebration but this was a fun one and felt good.  

Making a big deal about J.P. Arencibia's Catcher ERA after 3 games would be a very silly example of creating a problem where none exists. 

The Jays fly out to the left coast to take on the Anaheim Angels tomorrow.   

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Interesting that, tied in the bottom of the ninth, with the winning run on base and only one out, the odds were in favour of the Red Sox.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Aug 12, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catcher is a tough position, and I expect Arencibia to have his growing pains to begin his career. Thankfully, he’s the type that is willing to learn from others.

by Frag on Aug 12, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That's why I'm glad to have him catching here this year.

You can’t adequately prepare for the Majors until you get here!

by Minor Leaguer on Aug 12, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

JPA should b fine when we have one of the great Molinas on our team

fabled catchers of lore.

HEADING STRAIGHT FOR THEM, I PRESS DOWN MAH GUNS!

by BenjiDoc on Aug 12, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Purcey out= Carlson in. Lefty out, lefty in.

What’s the point of calling up Accardo? He has zero future with this team that’s sort of dicked him around the last couple of years. He’s leaving. Might as well see what a guy like Carlson, who will stay on, will do next year.

by bleh on Aug 12, 2010 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s the point of calling up Carlson? Given the way he’s pitched this year he certainly hasn’t earned it. At 29, it’s hard to see that he’s got a future with the Jays either.

Accardo has at least earned a promotion through his pitching. Just because they’ve dicked him around before is no reason to do it again.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Aug 12, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

what's accardo earned?

Carlson has arguably out-pitched Accardo in AAA this year.

by ayjackson on Aug 12, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roenicke would be a better choice

or bring Mills back and let him try coming out of the pen.

The Jays already have Downs and Tallet; there’s no urgency to replace a lefty with a lefty.

I've been looking at the sky

by Back In Black on Aug 12, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accardo has had a better year in AAA than Carlson without question

But I still would rather see Carlson before Accardo. I beg them to not call up Accardo.
However, I still think Carlson would be the guy to get called up because he is a lefty and Cito likes him.

by Joey P on Aug 12, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on what?

ERA? Are you joking?

by ayjackson on Aug 13, 2010 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Accardo: 3.63 FIP, 55% GB%, 9.7 H/9, 2.6 BB/9, 5.7 K/9
Carlson: 4.38 FIP, 43% GB%, 10.1 H/9, 2 BB/9, 7.6 K/9

Accardo has the better FIP and gets more grounders but he also strikes out fewer batters while allowing more walks. Both have been pretty hittable too.

"Hitting the ball was easy. Running around the bases was the tough part."- Micky Mantle

by TwoEyesForAnEye on Aug 13, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

JOD

Encarnacion, Wells, Lewis, Lind, Hill, Escobar, Wise

by plen on Aug 12, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone know whats going on with Sportsnet One?

I’ve got a Bell dish, from what I can find out right now Rogers is the only carrier for the channel. I’m reading some musings in different articles that I might not get it for a week or more. If anyone from Rogers is reading know this.. I am one of the staunchest supporters your Jays have, I watch every game..but as a consumer I do not cave to strong arm tactics..so tread carefully here, as much as it would hurt me I’ll quit watching this team if I miss games over these types of shenanigans. Way too early in the process of winning fans back, to be pulling stunts like this.

by ABsteve on Aug 13, 2010 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Rogers only (for now)

Sportsnet One is available for only Rogers Subscribers. Other carriers will lose NHL, MLB and English Premier League football (which will really tick my Dad off)! as those sports move over to the new channel. Similar thing with TSN2 where I think it was Rogers that was forced to pick it up, other carriers will have to pick up SNOne or lose out to the competition. Don’t you just love Rogers? :(

by Ms_Canuck on Aug 16, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100% with this:
Making a big deal about J.P. Arencibia’s Catcher ERA after 3 games would be a very silly example of creating a problem where none exists.

I really hope that is the last I hear about this on this site. Those making ANY sort of deal about this are simply out to lunch.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

"You had to have the BIG salad."
"Suit up."
"Eric, when your mom says are you ready for your catheter...the answer is no."

by Jevant on Aug 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Its something to monitor but

Its been 3 games, 2 vs. Bos. and 1 vs. TB, 2 pretty tough lineups, 2 were blowouts pretty early on so really shouldn’t even matter, things get played a little different in blowouts.

Sample Size

by brett w on Aug 13, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, at this stage, ERA is worthless. You’ve have to parse down pitch calls versus the deliver pitch, and then determine with pitchFX whether or not it was executed properly. Not to mention monitoring JPA’s catching on a pitch by pitch bias.

In short, there’s an awful lot of work that would be needed for something that is very hard to prove in the first place. Let’s take the easy method; Marcum and Romero didn’t execute well against a patient Boston lineup, JPA or not.

by dexfarkin on Aug 13, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing you might say

Is that even though Marcum and Romero are “veteran Major leaguers” there were probably a couple of times Arencibia should have gone out to talk to them if for no other reason then to give them time to clear their heads and collect themselves.

But I really think that was just a case of the rookie not wanting to over step himself.

by IanJ on Aug 13, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

And familarity with the individual pitchers. Some guys need to be slowed down every so often, other guys want to barrel right through. It just takes time to figure that out for each one.

I’ve got to say, JPA’s defense is an awful lot better than I was expecting. All of the reports of doom from last year on his glove, but he looks really solid behind the dish. He’s not the second coming of Bill Dickey or anything, but he executes the right way in getting down with the ball, blocking throws, and setting up for the throw to second. I really think he’s got the potential to be a very good defender.

by dexfarkin on Aug 13, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any catcher who can make a close play on Ellsbury

While throwing from his knees has an arm worth talking about

by IanJ on Aug 13, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember gloom from last season on his glove

his bat, yeah, but the reports I read from last season were that everyone agreed that his defense had progressed a gread deal and that any doubt from 2008 as to whether he could stick long-term at catcher was pretty much resolved

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 13, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I was thinking 2008 then. He’s still a little raw down there, but he moves like a really athletic guy. That means he’s got room to get better, which I really like.

by dexfarkin on Aug 13, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the gloom happened this year in response to his bat being so good.

Last year he was just considered an average prospect with about average bat and defense. But this year people wanted to upgrade him to future Catcher due to his bat and the question of whether his defense was good enough was simply due to the fact that it was lagging behind his bat but seriously when you’re hitting over 30 homers and OPSing 1.000 it’s tough for your defense to be at the same level.

by T_Mizz on Aug 13, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed… I doubt JPA told those guys to hang breaking balls over the plate or to leave everything in the middle of the plate. Obviously Molina has worked with these guys all season and has been around the league and knows how to call a game, so you would expect some slightly better results. They are all working together right now and going over the strategies… he will get there but 3 games is a very small sample size… its not like were 1 game out of the wild card here

by melochejonathan on Aug 13, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, and...

…all you EE haters can continue to hate away. But you’re dead wrong for doing so.

Gotta play 'em, might as well win 'em.

"You had to have the BIG salad."
"Suit up."
"Eric, when your mom says are you ready for your catheter...the answer is no."

by Jevant on Aug 13, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

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