Sad Ending. Jays Lose to A's.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 18, 2010 6:58 PM EDT
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Jays 4 A's 5
What is wrong with Jose Molina's glove? Yesterday there were two 'wild pitches' that he really should have blocked. Today, bottom of the 9th, runner on first, batter trying to bunt and he whiffs on an easy pinch to move the winning run to second. . If JP had done that it would be another reason to leave him on the bench for the rest of his time with the team before Buck returns.
Anyway great work to come back in the game. We got 3 runs to tie in the top of the 9th. Adam Lind doubled. Aaron Hill lined out. Lyle Overbay and Edwin Encarnacion walked. Pop single for JP Arencibia and a 2 run single from Fred Lewis tie the game. Yunel Escobar came within inches of giving us a lead, hitting a ball right down the right field line that was called foul. It was close. I don't know if it was foul or fair. Our first base coach seemed to think fair. Unfortunately Yunel hit into an inning ending DP right after.
Marc Rzepczynski didn't have a good start to the game, he gave up 2 in the first inning and 1 in the second. In total he walked 5 in 4.1. Our pen did a pretty good job. Frasor gave us 1.2 scoreless. Scott Downs have up a solo homer in his inning and Casey Janssen pitched a scoreless 8th before giving up the unearned run in the 9th to get the loss.
We didn't do much offensively, 5 hits on the day with 7 walks. Fred Lewis had 2 of the hits and drove in 3 of the runs. JP Arencibia drove in the other run.
Jay of the Day is Fred Lewis (.400 WPS). Frasor and EE get honorable mention. Escobar (-.361, but if that ball had been called fair he'd have JoD numbers), Janssen (-.351, hurt by Molina's mistake), Scrabble (-.166) and Hill (-.148) have Suckage numbers. I'm going to give Molina a Suckage award too.
We have a day off tomorrow then three games in Boston. These were the three games I would have been going to had I won the auction back in June. I tried. Instead I'm taking my boy to Boston in September to watch the Jays then.
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but seriously
What the heck is with Molina?
The only reason we keep him is his defence
if he continues this way he may have to go
hopefully he’ll get back to his usual self soon
To Infinity. And BEYOND!!!
by YunelTheLazyLatino on Aug 18, 2010 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
Who runs the team the gm or the coach?
In a standard good relationship situation, the coach would appear to run the team and if he has a good relationship and knows what is good for his long term employment, he takes into account his GM’s comments in regard to line ups and player usage.
In TO we have a lame duck manager who marches to his own drummer and a bright new so far impressive GM letting him run out the clock who is beholden to Beeston for his job and we know Beeston loves Cito.
If I was the GM and I had a lame duck manager I would tell him, Snider plays ever day, Lind is our first baseman, overbay sits most nights except as a late inning defensive replacement for Lind and I would have told him JPA plays 80% of the time while he was here. If not, take your retirement early.
I guess that is why i am not a GM.
by willie stargell on Aug 18, 2010 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
What other options?
Mark Kotsay batting .236 or a poor Visquel batting .283. Besides Ozzie ; you have to admit is entertaining.
entertaining for non-White Sox fans maybe
doesn’t mean he’d be entertaining if he were your team’s manager
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
there should be a button
for “I hate the way Cito handles young players”
JPA
i thought he was going to play the game that buck would’ve played has he not gone on the DL.
BUT NOOOOOO
they should not have called him up to ride the bench like he did
words can not express the way i feel about Cito decisions
Ye, those 3 games he got into sporadically were awful. If Arencibia was supposed to be given the bulk of the playing time while with the big club, I would hope 11 AB wouldn’t do anything to change that.
"Hitting the ball was easy. Running around the bases was the tough part."- Micky Mantle
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Aug 19, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
And course 'looked awful' is a judgement call
to me he looked fine behind the plate. The guy that got the bulk of the playing time rode an 0 for 18 stretch and seemed to be having troubles catching the ball. Awful is in the eye of the beholder I’d guess, but you find me someone that hasn’t had 11 poor at bats in a row this season.
I don’t know very much, but I can conceive that he learned more sitting on the bench in the majors than he would playing in AAA.
If that were true people would be developing rookies by sitting them at a higher level.
You learn more and grow as a player by playing. Thats why we have the minors is that players can play everyday (or close to that).
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
I think at his stage of development
he learned more in his two weeks in the majors than he would have learned OPS’ing 1.200 in Vegas.
There is some truth tho that but
it’s like learning anything else, you get the best instruction from coaches and/or veteren guys, but you need to then be able to go out and use it. So I don’t doubt that JPA learned some pile from Molina (you don’t bat that poorly for that long without knowing stuff defensively) and Murphy and whoever coaches the catchers, but ultimately if he doesn’t get the chance to go out there and perfect what he learned, did he really learn it?
Sure, but catcher is a particularly cerebral position. There must be a lot of value in having the chance to watch and communicate with the pitchers he’s going to be catching, and study the batters he’s going to be working against, without being distracted by being in the middle of the action (we all know multitasking is bad for learning). He can’t learn those tasks in the minors.
You’re absolutely right that he has to practise what he studies, but I think it’s plausible that because of the cerebral nature of the position a young catcher gains a lot more by studying strategy on the bench than, say, a young outfielder (who can’t get much insight into hitting without getting the chance to hit).
Cito brilliant/doing what AA wants?
A little tongue in cheek but, by playing the guys that are going to be free agents that they might reach B or A type free agents so the jays can get compensation? In the case of Molina he is fairly close?? Although he sure isn’t helping with his play of late. I am not sure what it takes to improve your rating but maybe this is it?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/elias-rankings/
I know what I have written is mostly fiction and that Cito likes to play veterans and to stick with his line up but wouldn’t it be nice…
Nice Frasor's a B now
Should be no concern about someone signing him now, Comp A pick here we come.
Without getting Saves there was no way Frasor was going to hold onto that A status.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
Everyone seems down on Frasor. I like him though. He’s a useful arm in the pen. I’d have no problem bringing him or Gregg back next year at their arb amounts, if they were to accept. Our bullpen is going to be cheaper next year without Downs and Tallet, a small raise for Frasor is no worry.
I imagine they’ll even pick up the option on Gregg. He’s been a useful enough closer.
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