Don't Get Jose Bautista Mad. You Wouldn't Like Him When He Is Mad. Jays Beat Yankees.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 23, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
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Wow, Jose Bautista was intense. You have to like that. It is great to see a player take the game so seriously. I've really have to enjoy watching him this year. Homer number 39 game the Jays a lead and number 40 gave us the win.
He was pretty much our whole offense today. Other than Bautista's 2 homers, we had 5 hits for the game. 2 for Yunel Escobar, one each for Fred Lewis, Lyle Overbay and Vernon Wells.
We really should have had the game won in the first inning. We loaded the bases with no one out. Ivan Nova was having a hard time finding the strike zone. Vernon got to a 2 ball count and then chased a pitch high, popped a ball to medium left field. I'm not sure if it was Lewis or Butterfield that made the decision to try to score on it but it was a mistake. Adam Lind struck out and that was the inning.
Brandon Morrow pitched great. 6 innings, 4 hits, 2 walks 12 k. He did give up two runs but the first scored because Lewis misplayed the ball in right and Bautista could have made a better play on the Posada double that scored Cano in the 6th. With good plays in the outfield, he would have gone 6 scoreless innings. It is too bad we didn't score for him, he deserved a win.
Shawn Camp, Scott Downs and Kevin Gregg each pitched a scoreless inning in relief. Snakeface got the win, 5-5 and Kevin Gregg got his 28th save. He looked good out there, considering the 8 days since he last pitched. Gregg has been terrific the last couple of months.
Jays of the Day are Bautista (no kidding, .489), Gregg (.167), Escobar (.125), Downs (.109) and Morrow (.097). Camp deserves honorable mention too. Jays with Suckage numbers are Wells (-.143, though he got credit for Lewis' out at the plate, so his number could be better), Lind (-.115, 3 k), Hill (-.099), EE (-.097) and Molina (-.096).
The game had it's fair share of drama. Escobar was thrown out of the game for, well, something. He didn't like a strike call against him, but didn't say much. Then after the inning, standing at his position, the plate umpire came out towards him and threw him out of the game. For what I don't know but there is no way the plate umpire should be walking towards a player, who is standing in his position, to continue an argument. I player should be allowed to complain away from the ump. Cito was also thrown out when he came out to inquire about why Yunel was thrown.
I know you aren't allowed to argue balls and strikes but this looked like an umpire who was searching out trouble. Of course, later in the game Nick Swisher argued balls and strikes, loudly, right in the umpires face and that was ok. Curtis Granderson did the same in the 9th, not quite as loudly, but again he was allowed to stay.
The other dramatic moment was when an Ivan Nova pitch came inside on Bautista. He wasn't pleased and let Nova know about it. The benches cleared but nothing much came of it. But when Jose homered in the 9th, he very much enjoyed it, staring down the pitch (no longer Nova) and having a little more fun than normal running the bases. He also got a curtain call from the Rogers Centre crowd. A very nice moment.
Tomorrow the Jays face Dustin Moseley (3-2, 4.76) making his 6th start of the year. The Jays beat him earlier in the month. Marc Rzepczynski (1-1, 4.76) making his 5th start of the year. Yeah they both have the same ERA.
Nothing is better than beating the Yankees. Let's do it again tomorrow. The game thread was fun tonight, join us tomorrow if you can.
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I wouldn't doubt
it if we see some fireworks in this series. You don’t stare down the pitcher and celebrate like that after a homer and not expect some sort of retribution. I’m not judging Bautista, heck I loved it, but I can see the Yankees hitting some Jay batters at some point and things getting heated. I know I’ll be watching and waiting.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
t’was indeed fun tonight.. Thanks for the good work Tom, Johnny, Hugo and whomever I’m forgetting for running this site.
Seriously
I was just browsing Pinstripe Alley, and the difference in quality between here and there is jarring. Huge thanks to all these guys who run the site so well.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
What about PA do you perceive to be of less quality?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 23, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing.
It’s just the fact that PSA is a Yankees site, so it’s automatically bad.
by ultimate913 on Aug 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
the food
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Aug 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna justify it to you
I’m not at all interested in starting a flame war here. Suffice it to say it’s my opinion that the blog basically sucks and it’s for reasons other then that i simply i don’t like the Yankees. Won’t be saying any more on it then that.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
I'm not trying to start a flame war.
Just wondering why you can so definitively say PSA sucks.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
fans of pinstripe alley are ignorant
i was browsing over there as well and u could sense the ignorance of their fans…
Ignorant of what?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 23, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
ignorant of the quality on other teams...
someone was commenting as to why Bautista would get angry about Nova trying to bean him? That’s complete ignorance…what would the Yanks do if a rookie pitcher tried to knock down A Rod or Jeter after they hit a HR? Hmm…i’m guessing it would be much more…
If Jeter or Arod flipped their bat and sauntered around the bases after hitting a HR vs a rookie making his first career start you guys would want them beaned too. Even more than you probably do already, haha.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Aug 23, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha oh wow
Nova was good, but he made some mistakes. Nothing to do with him having his first major league start should be part of this. He’s in the major leagues, period. If you give up a HR, the person who hits it will be happy about it, especially if it gives his team the lead. Saying you want special treatment and then saying it was okay to intentionally bean Jose in the head (which I don’t think was what happened, he just lost control of that one, but the ump escalated things himself.) is just ridiculous.
You’re going to hate a guy because he’s good right now and produced in the game? Welcome to the rest of the MLB.
Ball.
Must do my due diligence and post the remix again...
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tonight's game
First off, glad the Jays won, always love sticking it to the Yankees…. Seriously though, isn’t it time for Bautista to pee in a cup?? Your career best is 16…and then all of a sudden you have 40 and there is still a week to go in August???? Maybe I’m bitter about the whole steroid era (Sosa, McGwire, Bonds..et al) but this smells like rotten fish on a summertime dock. I’m not sayin..I’m just sayin……
been reading Cox lately?
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Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Aug 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Cox
no actually this is my own theory…..Wilner thought I was out of line on fan590 earlier
It was just that he wrote about the same thing
in the Star today. I’ll just say nothing would surprise me anymore but I just hope for the sake of baseball all this stuff becomes old news one day.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Aug 23, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
is that what you think steriods can do for a hitter?
take you from 10-15 homeruns to 50? Shouldn’t McGwire and Bonds have been in the hundreds then?
or, hmmm, maybe something else is at play here.
dude
I have 2 words for you Brady Anderson…..he was taking something…..had 50 hr’s and then fell off the planet…..If Bautista has 40 hr’s next Aug.23 I’ll come on here an issue an apology…..until then Jose……I’ll be needin a sample….
last September -
He made that change in his set-up. The rest is history. He’s hitting line drive homers – not moon shots. The Bau has a seriously FAST bat – smokin’, smokin’!
No Brady Anderson had an abnormal year and then regressed to his career mean
Other players who have had similar spikes in homers for a single season include the likes of George Bell, Andre Dawson, Roger Maris and many other players. If Brady Anderson had gone from 15-20 homer power to 50+ for several seasons in a row, yes that would have been suspicious but one season is just a statistical outlier.
I'm pretty certain Brady was on steroids that year.
Those examples don’t work as they all demonstrated impressive power throughout their career.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
If he was using, why didn’t he do it in his contract year in 1997, then it would have made him alot of extra money.
There may have been serious side effects that forced him to quit.
After all, it is steroids.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 24, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I would strongly encourage you to watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster*"
It’s really hard to make claims about serious side effects without doctors and scientists being allowed to perform the studies needed to actually learn the side effects…
"Don't tell me it's impossible. Be honest and tell me you can't do it. Tell me you don't know how."
Steroids don't work that fast.
Plus there’s drug testing in place now. They probably would have caught him by now.
Bautista is not on any banned PED
I know that JBau has never taken or never will take any type of banned supplement to increase his performance…however, I wouldn’t be surprised if comes out and says he is taking some type of Ayurveda medicine, which is perfectly legal :)
Anderson
took something the year he hit 50..creatine or something like that….he even admitted it (it wasn’t illegal then) so don’t say it didn’t help..it did..he stopped taking it..he stopped hitting hr’s….still want Bautista to provide a sample…sorry
do you read any replies on here
or just keep repeating yourself?
a request
I would much much rather we not speculate on a player using if the only proof is ‘he is having a good year’. If you have some info, he gained 50 pounds of muscle (jose hasn’t) or you saw a bottle in his hands that says illegal steroids, then sure. But if it is he is good he must be using keep it to yourself.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 23, 2010 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Creatine is not a steroidal compound
it is peptide that stores energy in the body. no its not illegal, they would have to ban meat for players to prevent players from receiving external sources of it.
Does it improve performance? Evidence is sketchy. Did it help Brady Anderson hit 50 home runs? not a chance.
I will stand by the assertion that a single, exceptional season does not demonstrate steroid use. “Career years” happen all the time, for various reasons. In the case of Anderson, it seems unbelievable to me that he would use “something” the year prior to free agency, hit 50 homers and then quit “taking the stuff” in the very season he would have been eligible for a massive contract.
dude
I’m not saying I KNOW he’s on steroids..but come on….are you that naive….I hope I’m wrong…..and if I am I’ll issue an apology….but the math does not work in this instance…sorry…
i think the math doesn't work for steriods
nobody in their right mind would allege that steriods increase homerun power by 300%. He’s probably just having a lucky year. Possibly this timing mechanism in his swing is helping him get around on fastballs. He could be on steriods too – but that isn’t causing the 300% increase.
I don't think it's steroids but I also don't think it's just a "lucky year."
Jose has made some sort of adjustment(s) and 50 HR power is no fluke.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sick of people whining about alleged steroid use in baseball.
Stop being a sheep who does what the TV tells you. Since the heart of this issue is supposedly that a level playing field throughout the different eras of baseball has been compromised..well I’ve got bad news for the baseball purists..it’s going to remain compromised. Should we put an asterix beside every hitters name who gets corrective eye surgery? What about Tommy John surgery? Wasn’t available to generations of pitchers..so that’s cheating in my book. Also this assumption that taking a pill is going to make you an incredible hitter is ridiculous..PEDs prevent injuries, enhance peak performance, and prolong careers.. not bad things in my book. The endless hours of watching film, taking swings in the batting cage etc..etc.. still has to take place.
sample
he takes ONE test per baseball season…..my 4 year old daughter could fake that test for christ sake!!!!
That is true.
He may not have been testes yet.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
*tested
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
DISCLAIMER:
I don’t believe he is on roids.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
if you have no proof
Shut up about it. Let’s be a little brighter than the Star here.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 23, 2010 11:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s right. In the absence of any evidence or credible suggestion that a player’s on steroids, why even bother discussing it? The players are being tested and the game is moving on, so as fans why not just enjoy seasons like Jose Bautista is having and not go looking for dark clouds? This is what watching sport is all about, great moments in time like these.
It’s not like there weren’t breakout and/or anomalous seasons in players’ careers before steroids. Was Roger Maris on steroids when he hit 61 HRs? No, yet he never hit more than 33 or 39 in other seasons. Was George Bell on steroids when hit 47 HRs? No, yet he only he had one other 30+ season. There is no shortage of seasons like this having nothing to do with steroids.
George Bell, here comes Jose!
Eight HRs to beat George Bell’s record with 38 games to play, oh mama.
Do two-thirds of people around here still think he won’t do it?
I voted that Juiced up Bautista would do it
…or greatly improved Bautista
…or I really hope we finda spot for Bautista on the team next year.
I am changing my vote. Bautista is going to break Bell’s record and he is going to do it in style.
by wadcanshuur on Aug 24, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yunel
i dont know what he said, in the video he is waiting for the glove and not even looking at the ump
Tom
When you are doing one of your offseason posts about best games of the year, this has to go up there.
I just loved the atmosphere of the game which makes me sad that we haven’t had playoff baseball for so long.
by craig in calgary on Aug 24, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
Agree
Ya, I’m disappointed in myself for not going – was going to go just on account of Morrow starting – has assumed the previous start was long layoff related blip…
How’s the Bautista for AL MVP argument?
Hill
What happened with Hill at the end of the game? I just saw him gesture and then didn’t see him and Overbay clear it up?
Bautista could be on HGH. If he was on any other team, that’s what I would likely think. But the facts that
-he’s a Jay
-his swing is actually different than before
-he is actually getting playing time for essentially the first time in his career
-he did show some pop before getting here
-the bulk of his mlb time was in a power-draining park
make me think he’s not on anything. Or, at least, he isn’t on anything that no one else is on.
But I was mostly wondering if anyone knew what that last play was about.
is sad how baseball has turn into now a day, if any player out-perform their track record, the first thing people would suspect is ’he’s onto something’
really? I do hope baseball has cleaned up since the “Mitchell Report” and all that crap…
Just wait. It'll get worse.
Parents will start demanding testing earlier and earlier because their little boy who worked so hard lost his starting spot to the kid who hit a growth spurt and stopped being the gawdy teen and turned into a young man earlier than theirs.
Exaggeration? Maybe, maybe not. With idiots throwing out unfounded accusations repeatedly I wouldn’t be shocked to be honest.
"Don't tell me it's impossible. Be honest and tell me you can't do it. Tell me you don't know how."
Was a great game tonight
Morrow only going 6 is disappointing. Striking out 12 guys is always nice but if he could just make it through the 7th on a start like that where he obviously has his stuff working it would be so much better. 3 innings of bullpen isn’t fun.
Onions Baby Onions
Oh btw
what I really wanted to mention when I logged in tonight was that I have been to 5 Jays games this season and Bautista has homered twice in 4 of those games.
So I watched the recording when I got home. Game thoughts, by inning:
1) Fred Lewis made an error. It was not a fielding error because that has to do with the physical play on a ball with reasonable effort, but it was unquestionably an error. With a ball hit that hard, holding Swisher at third is a reasonable expectation. Y’know, if you don’t run right past the ball and double back to pick it up 30 feet away.
As for the bottom half…buh. Bases loaded, no one out—heck, 2nd and 3rd with no one out!—and nothing to show for it? I felt like I was watching a Mariners game. So much love but so little satisfaction. Morrow should have had a W right then and there.
3) Jose Bautista may or may not be the Jedi, but he is an absolute monster. That swing was so fast. Home run was absolutely crushed.
5/6) [expletive deleted] Jerry Meals. What happened? I was so confused. I saw in the box score that Escobar and Cito were ejected, and I expected to see like a bad third strike call to end the inning and an ensuing argument. But I didn’t. I’m still not sure what happened, but Mr. Meals deserves a reprimand of some sort.
6) Robinson Cano can go do something inappropriate that makes me sound vindictive. A nine pitch plate appearance that results in a walk was brutal for Morrow’s pitch count. Gameday shows two of the called balls were borderline, and it would have been nice to see a seventh inning.
8) You know what this game needs more of? Dingers. DINGERS I SAY!
we missed you in the game threads
hahahhaah you get the satisfaction of watching HR from another team isn’t yours but the more supporters the better is for our beloved jays ( but i bet you wouldn’t trade the HR Branyan hit against the Skankees, what a moonshot that was!)
Brandon and Yunel have been the best 2 pick ups that AA has made in a long time for the jays
i love the jays!
I miss the game threads.
They are far more happenin’ than Mariners threads.
Just tryin' out my new avatar
…and signature
Don't get Jose Bautista Mad. You wouldn't like him when he is mad.
by craig in calgary on Aug 24, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
I love Bautista more and more each day
at first I was the most pessimistic of the pessimists, and even as much as one month ago I didnt believe. But I believe. Believe, I do.
Yankees fans
Jeez, some Yankee fans really are that stupid. I saw some complaining that Jose took to long to run the bases and others rubbing in the fact that the Jays weren’t in the playoffs. Rays fans are almost as bad. They act as though their team had and revelance before 2008. Which is why I was happy when they lost in the world series.
by Roccog on Aug 24, 2010 3:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
That can still change.
Jays keep beating on the Yankees (8 more games) and someone else gets hot and the Yanks fans will be crying.
One can dream right?
"Don't tell me it's impossible. Be honest and tell me you can't do it. Tell me you don't know how."
what a great game
now that was fun
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Steroids and the Jedi
Ultimately, it is MLB and the players union who are at fault for all of this speculation on the Jedi being juiced. If MLB had put a drug testing program in place 20 years ago like they should have, we wouldn’t be talking much about PEDs except for exceptional circumstances. But MLB did the nudge-nudge-wink-wink on PEDs and then distorted the game even more by juicing the ball.
Basically, now and for the next 15 years or so, every player who has a career year or dramatic increase in performance is automatically going to be suspected of juicing.
Me, I preferrwhen cheating consists of sandpaper on the back of the glove or vaseline under the bill of the cap. Somehow, it just seems cleaner.
PNC Park
Bautista slugged .359 at home in 170 AB in 2008.
In 06 – his first season with a significant number of ABs – he slugged .449 in 225 home ABs. In 07 he slugged .421 in 254 home ABs. I’m sure AA and JP had his 06 and 07 SLG at PNC in mind when they targeted him. His power this year, along with the mechanical adjustment and home ball-park switch, may be somewhat projectable from his SLG % those seasons?
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