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2009 Lind vs 2010 Lind


Frustration is an understatement if you were to describe Adam Linds performance last game and in fact all year

a sub 250 average with less than 20 hr's and 54 rbi's, nothing to gloat with those numbers after a huge year last year with 30 plus homeruns and great production.

Star-divide

 

What I want to talk about here is what would be the outcome if the Lind from 2009 had a ab that 2010 Lind last game.

I forget which inning it was, but there were a couple on, 2 out

3rd ab

                            2009 Lind                                                           2010 Lind

1st pitch             taken for a ball                                                      SWING

2nd pitch          swung at hit (possibly foul or for a hit)              Taken, no doubt a strike

3rd                    taken for a no doubt about it ball                        SWING Strikeout

 

 

Hmm from this analysis after 3 of those pitches 2010 Lind Strikeouts (that seems to happen alot this summer)

the 2009 Lind has hit or a good 2-1 count

 

anyways lind went 0-4 last game with 3 strikeouts ....

 Im not too sure that this is the outcome that lind would have done in 2009, but im just a little mad that at every at bat lind had last game he had men on, and he did not advance or drive any of them in so yea...

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No doubt about it, Lind had a brutal night.

Watching it live, it was one facepalm after another. He was swinging wildly at pitches that were completely off the plate. And the look on his face as he returned to the dug-out… you could certainly tell it bothers him.

I don’t know what the solution is. Is he thinking too much? Feeling the pressure?

by Temujin on Aug 24, 2010 12:59 AM EDT reply actions  

well its probably physcological, cuz man he was swinging at pitches that looked terrible, Linds my favorite player, has been since he was drafted 3rd round 04, I think he is thinking too much and trying to hit EVERYTHING,

by Andr K on Aug 24, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well that’s to be expected on a “Cito” team. He preaches swinging at strikes no matter what the count, dont give up good pitches. The team as a whole is hitting impatiently save for Escobar and Bautista. I think your being a bit overcritical of him though, in a season where he’s struggled mightily he’s still managed to put up respectable power numbers, he’ll probably break the 20hr plateau, pretty impressive considering he hit sub .200 in april + may. I think your whole 2009 Lind vs 2010 Lind comparison is a little odd, I mean if 2009 Lind came in and took the AB, he’d probably be like wtf too, because pitchers are not pitching Lind the same at all this season, every team in the mlb made adjustments to Lind in the offseason as he and Hill were identified as the jays two primary threats in the line-up. If Lind comes back next season and is still struggling, then I’ll be concerned. For now I think we can chalk it off to a combination of growing pains and adjustments for Lind and a terrible approach to the plate caused by bushleague style management cough CITO.

by Josh Winninger on Aug 24, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Cito doesn't preach swinging at every pitch

He preaches being selective and looking for 1 pitch only.

Last time i checked, Cito was the manager in 2009 too.

Lind and Hill are both having terrible seasons. Lind i am less worried about because he has shown signs of getting out of his funk lately.
I expect Lind next season to hit .300 with 20 homers and a bunch of doubles.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Aug 24, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i definetely agree with you

Lind is struggling right now, but i also believe he will have a great 2011 season, pitchers are adjusting to him, pitching him hard high, but in the offseason lind will learn, i promis this.

by Andr K on Aug 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bushleague?

What?

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 24, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

bushleague style management cough CITO

It’s one thing to strongly dislike how Cito manages, but this comment is simply ridiculous. A bush-league manager does not win two world series rings. A bush-league manager does not have nearly 900 career wins and an above .500 record.

I get not liking how Cito manages his team in-game. I don’t like it either. But I understand his style and I respect it for the most part. He’s very much a player’s manager (to a fault at times) and he manages his team to that strength. The Jays could do a lot worse for a manager.

by siggian on Aug 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

yup

I agree, in fact cito’s jays are having a great season this year, Jose’s doing great, a plus .500 record, and great starting pitchers

by Andr K on Aug 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not juicing anymore

Signed, Damien Cox.

by bleh on Aug 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yea he just aint

last year some of the balls he’s striking out to this year he would’ve socked for a 400+ foot hr, its kinda sad

by Andr K on Aug 24, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say Cito preaches swinging at every pitch, I said every strike, learn to read ohmybosh. And batting Snider in the 9th spot when even John McDonald is in the line-up is bushleague! It doesn’t make any sense, neither does keep Wells in the 4 spot the last 3 months, when he hasn’t had an ops over .800. While I agree Cito has an excellent resume, he was the right coach on the right team at the right time, the team was stacked with veteran players/established young talent that didn’t need a true manager as much as they needed a motivator. This team on the other hand needs more than just a motivator for a manager. There’s a reason Cito was out of baseball for so many years, no team would hire him, gotta be a reason for that don’t you think? How many championship winning managers dont get a job for 15 years?

by Josh Winninger on Aug 24, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Boom and Rec

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 25, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alot of that is players playing above their heads

You could give that credit to Cito but shouldn’t we all give the credit where it has rightly been put in the past week, steroids?

by T_Mizz on Aug 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cito has done a good job with the team,

Maybe he has hurt a player or two’s current output. In the end though, he is there for the team, although, if those players were better, the team would be better, on and on and on.

My thinking, Lind and Hill need a nice long offseason, come back refreshed and try to be a big part of what will be a fun 2011.

All this buttoning and unbuttoning

by Marttisdad on Aug 25, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

my apologies out of baseball for 11 years...

Well I may have been overzealous in my claim he was out of baseball completely for 15 years, forgive me, he was out of baseball in any significant way for 11 years. He managed the team from 95-97 after the lockout, with no success, and was fired on a bad note as he took a vacation at the end of the 97 season and skipped the post season evaluation process seemingly completely disinterested in the club. He had another stint as a hitting coach with the jays for two seasons from 1999-2001, woop di doo. After that, he tried to get a managerial position with many other teams and only got past the 1st interview once with the white sox. After that he said he’d only manage again if he was hired on the spot without an interview! Then he got a job as special assistant to paul godfrey in 2002, nothing more than a hand out job after he lost his job as hitting coach, considering Keith Law was once ‘special assistant’ to JP Ricciardi. He’s a pretty good hitting coach, but he’s not the greatest manager. Like i said there’s a reason he’s never got hired by another club. So anyways let me correct myself, there’s only a 11 year managerial gap in his career, and the only other jobs he had between then were sucking paul godfrey off and 2 years as a hitting coach. When a guy can’t get a job as a manager when teams actually sit him down and listen to him and only gets hired by one franchise for the majority of his career due to managing as I said earlier, the right team at the right time in 92+93 (also the team with highest payroll, its not like he got those teams to overachieve and win) he’s BUSHLEAGUE. Anyways I’d like to point out I’m not a jays hater, their my pride and joy, I’m just not putting the blinders on to Cito’s everyday bullshit.

by Josh Winninger on Aug 25, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Thats a yellow card.
Keep the homophobic comments off of here.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 25, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm impressed that you actually read through that awful mess

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 26, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know how you could call that comment homophobic, nowhere in my comment did I express hate for homosexuals. If could called it inappropriate, I could understand that but even then, anyone with internet has heard people say much worse things on a blog, so stop being such a nancy.

by Josh Winninger on Aug 25, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep Insuting people. Thats the way to go.
See ya.

Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...

by JohnnyG on Aug 25, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

so if it's not the worst thing ever written in the history of the internet

it’s totally cool? guess again

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 26, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who’s ever read a drunkjaysfans blogp has heard worse really.

by Josh Winninger on Aug 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

haha

that’s not the standard to which we aspire

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Aug 26, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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