Edwin Encarnacion Put on DL, Mike McCoy Recalled.
by Tom Dakers on Aug 28, 2010 5:05 PM EDT
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PrintMentioned it in the recap but thought it deserved it's own story. Edwin Encarnacion sprained his wrist on his last swing today. Mike McCoy is on his way from Vegas to keep Dewayne Wise company on the bench. One would think this would mean Jose Bautista would move to third and Travis Snider could play everyday. But apparently Cito say McDonald will play 3B. I don't understand. Mac, as much as he's a great guy and all, doesn't hit will enough to carry his great glove at short. He a) isn't as good at third and b) you want a better bat at third than short.
Cito doesn't think Lewis-Wells-Snider is a good enough outfield defensively. I don't know, I think Snider is ok in right, he doesn't have Bautista's arm but I wouldn't think his range is any worse than Jose's. He played right all the way up our minor league system, I don't think he's any worse in right than left. But I guess Cito's opinion is the one that matters. Clearly Travis bat over Mac's would make up for any slight difference in team defense.
Cito really doesn't like Moonraker.
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Typical conversation w/ Cito Gaston
Person: Hey Cito, do you plan on playing Travis Snider every day?
Cito: Travis who?
Person: Travis Snider. The 22 year-old, possible future star outfielder for the Toronto Blue Jays.
Cito: Oh, yeah. Well, I have to give that kid Fred Lewis more opportunities so he can have a chance at a new contract. Snider will get his shot.
Person: When?
Cito: In, I’d say, 20 years.
Person: And what about J.P. Arencibia?
Cito: Jose Molina?
Person: Nevermind.
by Frag on Aug 28, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't know
he seems to have power over AA this year. Does that mean that next year the power goes up expodentually?
Considering that he'll be front office then, I doubt it
Right now he’s the on-field manager and AA is in the front office, there’s a divide that AA has said he won’t mix, but next year should be different.
Ball.
I would put money on the fact that AA wanted his own manager once he became the GM but was handcuffed because of Cito’s place in the organization. Considering how much fanfare he came back to last season they wanted him to finish out his contract and end it.
Not to mention the whole we were predicted to be so bad to finish behind the O’s this year. Cito has done some things right. It just sucks because he is really not the manager you want for a rebuild because of the style that he does have.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
No he's not the ideal manager to have during a rebuild
far from in fact.
But with that perfect rebuild manager, I’m sure we’re well under .500, but we’re probably better positioned going into next year. I say probably because with that perfect rebuild manager we may not have seen what we’ve seen from Bautista, because if we had a manager concentrating on rebuild, Bautista doesn’t play.
I hate to bring this up, but when you think of it, most rebuilds fail.
I have a different rebuild philosophy
I would keep prospects in the minors until you are absolutely sure they are ready and then some. This way you can give chances to projects who will either fail or succeed, which you can then flip for assets. This way, you still have the prospects in the system and then you have assets on the team. Now, if the prospect is on the MLB roster, then you have to play him.
If you look what the Orioles have done with Wieters, they massively screwed up. They could have kept Wieters in the system until he was actually ready, instead of promoting him from A ball. This way they could have turned a FA into an asset while Wieters was developing. So they essentially started the clock on Wieters before they really needed to and the team has only gotten worse in the meantime.
Wieters wasn’t promoted from A ball though. He spent time in both AA and AAA before he was promoted and he was straight mashing at every level, including a pretty successful stint in the majors last year. Maybe he could have used a little more seasoning in the minors but I wouldn’t say they “massively screwed up” with the way they handled him. I agree with your assertation that “rushing” prospects is often detrimental to their development though.
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Aug 28, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but the other hand keeping prospects in the minors when they have nothing left to learn there is silly as well.
When a player is flat out dominating a level its time to move, my understanding is that where Wieters was at. Yes it looks now like he needs more seasoning but is it really that? Or is it the time that it takes to adjust to the new level.
Let’s say he that the Orioles agree with you and then they send him back down to AAA and he goes back to absolutely killing the ball. Is he really learning anything more? Wouldn’t it be more beneficial for him to be working on adapting to the bigs as oppose to dominating players that he is already better than?
Its all a big balancing act and it really depends on the prospect I think.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
Ugh
Sounds like Moonraker = 2010 version of Shawn Green/John Olerud because Cito just hates Left Handed Batters whose names have the letter E in them.
Plus he’s starting to get his swing back. Missed today’s game thanks to having to spend a few hours with a contractor to drop a pretty penny on getting a new roof (thanks to the original home contractors and their crappy lowest bidder building supplies.)
Too bad about EE. He was alright since he got back from Vegas.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 28, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
sigh
I guess nothing to do but hope that Snider gets more playing time than it seems like. I’m no fan of Bautista’s defense at third, but pretty clearly the benefit in having Snider’s bat over J-Mac’s outweighs the defensive loss in having Bautista rather than J-Mac at third and Snider rather than Bautista in right. And that’s not even taking into account the developmental benefit to having Snider play every day. He needs the at-bats, especially against major league lefties.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I mean
I do get that you don’t want to move a guy like Bautista, who has been fantastic all season, out of his position just because someone else gets injured. But Bautista has already moved to third at other times this season when Encarnacion has been hurt or in the minors so it’s not like it’s a new assignment. And to me it seems so self-evident that Snider, who missed a lot of time due to an injury, should be playing every day at this point, that everything else seems secondary.
If Snider had been playing all season it’d be one thing and I’d keep my mouth shut – but because of his injury he only has 200 major league plate appearances all season. That’s not even 1/3 of a major-league season. Our short season guys have more than that! He needs to be out there every day or damn close to it, full stop.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
It's funny how many people over at BB object to that
I think Snider needs to be the full time outfielder here. Whether that is left or right I don’t care, but what I want is for him to be the every day outfielder, which means give him a spot in the lineup and leave him there (preferably 6 or 7) and make him play 5 out of every 6 days or so.
0.996
Anyone notice that Bautista’s OPS is almot up to the magic 1.000?
holy crap
To Infinity. And BEYOND!!!
by YunelTheLazyLatino on Aug 28, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
holy moly yes
To Infinity. And BEYOND!!!
by YunelTheLazyLatino on Aug 28, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
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Maybe Snider was one of the more vocal in the mutiny last year. Now Cito is being vindictive . I cant find any other reason besides "making him pay dues". It really is so frustrating.
I think Tom should let the swearing slide because this deserves Eddie Murphy Delirious type profanity.
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no way
that’s the irony of ironies. Snider has been taking this whole thing as well as anyone could. Lewis has been the squeaky wheel and has been rewarded for it
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Yeah Snider has been a total pro. I feel sorry for him to have to go through this. When he plays he has shown to be one of our top hitters. I like Lewis for what he can do and I like Jmac for the little he can do.
I guess its just Cito being Cito.
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Y’know it’s not like Snider’s probably going to sit every game while E5 is out. It’s still a stupid move since it keeps one of Snider or Lewis out of the line-up at all times (barring Overbay’s illness) when otherwise both could play and one of Jose’s assets is his ability to play everywhere on the field. Yay, for choosing the least beneficial solution to all parties concerned “rolls eyes”.
I dunno, Cito has a man-crush on McDonald or something I guess.
Out of the possible lineups
The popular choice – Lewis LF, Snider, RF, Bautista 3rd
What will probably will happen Lewis/Snider LF, Bautista RF McDonald 3rd
But really isn’t Snider LF, Bautista RF, McDonald 3rd the best bet? You keep Snider/Bautista’s bat in the lineup and assuming Snider D’s is equal to Lewis’s in right . Does having Bautista’s D in right over sniders and McDonalds D at 3rd over Bautista’s not more than makeup for the difference in Lewis’s bat over McDonalds?
I’ll admit I’m not overly infatuated with Lewis like others, to me I really don’t see too much difference between him and Wise, if Wise was giving the playing time Lewis has gotten I can’t see his stats being that much different. As shrewd of a pickup Lewis might have been for AA, at this point with Snider back from injury we just don’t need him. I don’t think Lewis is the type of player to accept that 4th outfielder role either.
I guess the question to ask would be if AA didn’t get Lewis, would we be complaining about Sniders playing time, if not having Lewis means a Snider/Wells/Bautista outfield, than was that really a good move getting Lewis by AA ?
I like having Lewis bat and speed in the top of the order line-up way more then McDonald’s. Honestly, Lewis – Escobar batting 1 – 2 just seems to work so well and I’m not sure anyone else in the line-up has the offense skillset that would work as well.
I dunno, maybe Overbay will be out of the line-up for a week or so with the flu and it’ll all be a moot point because then Lind will get to play first and Lewis can DH.
We are all missing the real issue here. How many games will we be able to fit McCoy into?
As for Encar is this the same wrist as the one he had surgery on?
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
McCoy will come in to run every now and then.
Yep, his left wrist.
by Minor Leaguer on Aug 28, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Emaus
If he’s going to insist on leaving Bautista in right field, I would at least like to see Emaus up and starting rather than McCoy up and sitting and McDonald playing. I had grown adjusted to the reality that Encarnacion’s hitting makes him a useful 3rd basemen, but Emaus has potential to lead off or hit number 2 which fills a void (assuming Lewis sits).
So all of Cito’s huffing and puffing about not liking Snider and Lewis in the OF at the same time and he’s leaving Baubeasta in RF….. and first game out he’s got him at 3B and Snider and Lewis in the OF?
Here’s hoping they play a sound game in the OF with no defensive miscues so Cito doesn’t shy away from ever doing it again.
Johnny Mac getting the start at SS… day off for Escobar?
Maybe Cito woke up this morning and decided that playing an NL lineup at bat (with JMac playing the role of pitcher) wasn’t such a hot idea.
batting J-Mac second in the lineup
is hardly better
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
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