Monday Bantering
by Tom Dakers on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
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PrintHappy Monday.
We have a new little, SB Nation provided, toy. If you look up at the top left hand side of this place, there is a 'Fan Confidence Poll'. So once a week you get to vote how 'confident' you are in the team and after Sept 1 the average will be put on a graph of some sort. Basically it is a happyness gauge. If you are happy with the how things are going this week, give it a high number, unhappy low. Or if you are like me and didn't understand how the vote works, you'll give it a 50. The way to do it, he found out a little too late, is to dial it to a number then hit vote. Not hit vote and figure it will ask you the question after.
I know, not the most thrilling gadget in the world.
Most of you likely know this already but the New Hampshire Fisher Cats are going to the playoffs. It is nice to see our minor league teams do well, it is a positive sign for the future.
Our Las Vegas team isn't as lucky, they are 62-74 and in last in their PCL division. But they have announced their season player awards, with about a week to go.
51s General Manager Don Logan announced the following awards: Mayor's Trophy: Catcher J.P. Arencibia; Most Valuable Player: Catcher J.P. Arencibia; Most Valuable Pitcher: Jesse Carlson; Community Service Award: Outfielder Aaron Mathews.
It says a fair amount about their pitching when a middle reliever wins the most valuable pitcher award. I really can't see how Jesse won over Jeremy Accardo.
You have likely all read this piece on Accardo in the Las Vegas Review-Journal. I do feel sorry for him, he really didn't get a fair chance with the Jays. Not one of Cito's favorites. At the bottom of the story it notes that Sean Henn and Rommie Lewis were put on the DL.
Jesse 3-1, 4 saves, 4.24 ERA in 51 innings.
Jeremy: 3-2, 23 saves, 3.56 ERA in 43 innings.
I guess saves are pretty meaningless really and Jesse has a much better winning percentage....
Dunedin is 27-36, dead last in the Florida State League North division in the second half of the season but they were first in the first half so they are going to the playoffs as well. Playoffs start Sept 9th for them.
Lansing is 29-33 and in 5th place in the second half of their season. They finished the first half 36-33, in 3rd place.
Auburn sits 5th at 31-37 with 7 games left in their season.
The GCL Jays finished their season at 31-28 in second place.
The DSL Jays were 23-42 in 4th place at the end of their season.
We were talking about former Expo owner and current Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria in a game thread last week. Jeff Passan has an article about him and his stadium deal at Yahoo sports. The man is example one of how, if you are a friend of Bud Selig, you can be a total scum and MLB won't care at all.
The White Sox have picked up Manny Ramirez, being 4.5 games back of the Twins they really have to get on a streak to make the playoffs, but then Pat Tabler thinks the Tigers at 10 games back are 'in the thick of things'.
The Southpaw looks at the pitchers that might replace Brandon League Morrow. And yes I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cito goes with Tallet.
The Blue Jay Hunter reviews Dave Stieb Bobblehead Day.
It is Ted Williams 92th birthday. I think I'll celebrate by eating a popsicle.
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Fan Confidence Poll
So does this mean there will be a SBNation Toronto page coming soon?
On other sites it was presented from their City, rather than the individual Fan site.
If so, sorry if I let the cat out of the bag.
by craig in calgary on Aug 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
Nope haven't let anything out of the bag...
I haven’t heard anything beyond the ‘Toronto will be in the next group’ reply I got when I asked back when they rolled the city things out.
...so that's why they just introduced SBNation Indiana?
Whatever, Damn Americans :)
by craig in calgary on Aug 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't wait for the fun of that
Wonder if a Toronto FC and/or CFL blogs will join, just to pile on the misery that is Toronto sports.
Ball.
I love me some TFC that's for sure, I am so surprised that there's no SB nation one for it.
I mean many other MLS teams have them even a USSF div 2 team, but not one of the most well-supported MLS teams out there? It ain’t right, it ain’t tight.
The way to do it, he found out a little too late, is to dial it to a number then hit vote. Not hit vote and figure it will ask you the question after.
DOH!
Yeah, me too.
I have no idea what I voted.
Also, are we supposed to rate our confidence for this season or some indefinite time in the future?
The way I think it works
At least from the other SB Nation blog I frequent, Battle Red Blog (Houston Texans), is it’s a spur of the moment thing, just however you feel at the present moment. It’s done many times over the course of a year and you see how it changes with the developments of the season.
POOP!
The instructions were weak, or I was too lazy to read them.
by JayLo Biafra on Aug 30, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
For now.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
What's the deal with Ted Williams anyway?
Why are they freezing him? Are they going to try and extract DNA from him and clone him to build an entire team of guys hitting 400? If they do that they should freeze a great pitcher too, to keep it fair.
I have to say that I absolutely dislike Accardo for some reason, but even I realize how badly his situation has been handled. He has been fairly decent in Vegas, and that doesn’t take into account for how poorly the rest of the pitching staff has been. I have to say Carlson is a more likable guy and I would prefer Carlson over Accardo on our roster, but Accardo used to be a decent closer on this team and it is about time he gets another opportunity to pitch in the big leagues.
Don’t really know where to ask this question but could the increased playing time for Jose Molina be the team trying to get him into Type B free agency? If he does become a Type B free agent will AA let him walk?
Wow I actually had no idea he was so close
He’s the first guy cut-off from being a type B, yeah get that extra comp A pick in next year’s super-draft.
I really hate what the team has done to Accardo.
If they weren’t going to give him any real chance to establish himself this year, there really was no reason to keep him on the roster this year instead of just flat out letting him go so he could explore his options on then free agent market.
I understand the whole retaining a player with value thing, but if you’re going to leave him to rot in Vegas (with his chance in the majors largely being a farce given how quickly they moved him back down) all year and not even attempt to ship him off elsewhere, what’s the point? It’s almost as if they’re just eating the money they’re paying him, even if it isn’t much at all, just to intentionally screw him and his career over.
You know what, the situation with Accardo was unfortunate, but his victim complex is nonsense. He signed the contract knowing that he was bullpen depth and would have a chance to crack the majors. He made it out of spring, pitched badly, went into the minors. The bullpen turned out to be durable in terms of righthanders. For all his ‘I was lied to’, I notice he doesn’t mention which righty in the pen deserved to have gone down to make room for him; Frasor/Gregg/Camp/Janssen?
He pitched well in Vegas. He didn’t pitch better than any of the four righthanders did up in the MLB. That’s baseball. I had a lot of time for Accardo coming into this season, but now, I’m done with him, because as a professional, he should know better.
It isn't like he had a choice in the matter...
he could sign and collect the money or he could leave baseball.
Well, one can say that is a choice. Still though, if he had trade value and the opportunity had been there, he would have been traded. He’s been in the game long enough to know that every player’s spot is occupied by someone else, and if you’re behind somebody, you’re stuck until they fumble. The Jays bullpen is pretty surprising how few changes that there have been this year, and almost all of them were with lefties. I can understand frustration about it, but blame is going too far.
Well, my thoughts on Accardo are well documented, and his recent spurt of whining just serve to prove them.
Accardo may have the potential to be a good player, but not in Toronto. Not now. You can blame it on Cito, but I don’t think any manager will want that kind of unprofessional attitude around the clubhouse.
Those of you who read the BP Gospels know that are a LOT of ball players worse off than Accardo.
He still makes more money than I (and most of you) do, so I don’t think his whining is legit…
Festina Lente
I hate that argument about how much they are paid.
All sports athletes are overpaid but they deserve their fair share of the profits the sport generates.
Just because someone makes money doesn’t mean they forfeit the right to complain about things. Granted in this case I side with the organization but regardless.
Life as a Toronto Sports Fan?... *sigh*... It is what it is...
if this is the dividing line
He still makes more money than I (and most of you) do, so I don’t think his whining is legit…
Then there aren’t many people that get to complain about anything. Certainly no baseball players.
I know you have something personal against Accardo, but me, I don’t want players that are happy to be in Triple-A I don’t mind a player blowing off steam now and then. To me it’s better than what Lewis said about when he isn’t in the lineup.
This is the issue. I like competitive players. I like people who aren’t happy riding the pine. But in this case, Accardo has said the organization lied to him. Frankly, this year, he was a not very good reliever at the MLB level who had the misfortune of playing behind four better righties. Again, the frustration is acceptible, but the blame? Is Accardo more deserving of a slot than Camp, Janssen, Gregg or Frasor? If you say no, he tossed his teammates under the bus.
Maybe it comes from being a benchplayer the last couple of years of my teenaged career, but Accardo’s rant is saying ‘I deserve this more than X player’ and that’s despicable, especially since he clearly doesn’t.
I’m sorry…
I probably should have added a ;-p, or something… that last “money” remark was the only thing that I was sarcastic about…
They do have the right to complain. I have the right to see Accardo, in this case, as a sniveler.
Festina Lente
pretty obvious about the team award at least from my perspective
both Carlson and Accardo have major league experience and both spent most of the year in the minors. One complained and felt like he shouldn’t have been there, and the other didn’t. the team rewarded the good soldier
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
but
accardo is have a better season than Carlson (slightly, but still)
To Infinity. And BEYOND!!!
by YunelTheLazyLatino on Aug 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
having*
To Infinity. And BEYOND!!!
by YunelTheLazyLatino on Aug 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
my point is that the choice has nothing to do with performance
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I heard they all got claims put in for them
But that’s the last development I heard, also that whoever it was that reported the claims says that they were unlikely to be traded, possibly MLBTR.
if there are multiple claims
the player gets pulled off waivers, non? Only if there is only one claim can they decide to work out a deal.
no the team with the poorest record is the one that would get the claim
then the team that put the player on waivers can try to work out a deal or pull the player back.
pretty sure
it’s based on record only. though maybe that’s the case if there’s a tie?
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MLBTR
Has a good breakdown on the whole August trading thing, Almost certain it’s league first then record second.
as in
the Braves get precedent for EE over the Orioles? seems strange…
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Just say we are talking about EE..
In this situation the Orioles would be the first team given an opportunity to claim him because they have the worst record in the AL. In order for him to reach the Braves, he would have to pass through the entire American League and every subsequent team in the NL with a worse record than the Braves.
by TwoEyesForAnEye on Aug 31, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
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