Wow a game that is on TV. Jays at Yankees.
by Tom Dakers on Sep 4, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
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Yay we get to watch the game on real TV.
Other stuff...well, Snider is in the lineup, batting 9th, behind John McDonald. I don't understand it at all. You think maybe showing some confidence in the young man would be a good thing? Bautista plays third, Wise is in right. Aaron Hill is in the 2nd spot in the order.
Watching Jays connected. Jeff Blair thinks the Jays are going to trade for a 5th starter. Shi Davis thinks it will be Kyle Drabek. Blair thinks Vernon Wells is hiding an injury. You would think that Cito would be talking to him about that. If I was manager I'd have said to him, at the start of the season, 'you have to tell me if you are hurting, we can't have repeat of last year where we find out after the season that you have been hurting'.
Holy cow, Rance and Buck noticed that Jeter isn't hitting.
I really like this bit showing Scrabble in the bullpen with pitching coach Bruce Walton. And a talk with Dirk Hayhurst is next. I rarely watch Jays Connected, I really should more often.
Lineups after the jump.
Current Series
Yankees lead the series 1-0
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Toronto Blue Jays Saturday, Sep 4, 2010, 1:05 PM EDT Marc Rzepczynski vs Javier Vazquez Mostly sunny. Winds blowing out to center field at 15-20 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 75.
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Looks like the weather is great for the game today.
Hoping for a good start today from Rzepczynski. It often takes lefties a bit longer to find out what works in the majors.
Go Jays.
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would need a heck of a return
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Cito's gone from refusing to change the line up to now where I have no idea what
it may be.
Also maybe it’s time to put Escobar on the disabled list
Trading for a fifth starter doesn't even make sense unless the pitching staff runs into a wall of career ending injuries. I have no clue how anyone could think it's a good idea.
There are so many guys who could at the very least be serviceable as fifth starters that the jays already have.
Hi all
see it’s a sunny day. hope hill’s sunglasses are working today…
Gotta at least allow one hit.
Curse of Stieb and all that.
Zep must be feeling pressure to join the 1-hitter club
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
they had a great little bit on blue jay connected showing Zep in the bullpen
with Murphy telling him what to work on.
It's an easy mistake to make.
Halladay and Rzepdiosjffl59409fnfdnvsf are very similar last names after all.
I thought he was out by a decent margin too
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Johnny Mac has been hitting really, really well lately.
And not just by his standards. I never thought I’d be saying that.
yahoo has him at 177, interestingly
I would not have guessed that Mac has 40 pounds on me. He’s got to have some muscle somewhere.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
whoops, reply fail
meant to reply to Tom above
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
5'10" according to Yahoo
that’s Mac, not me, haha
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
attaboy, J-Mac
can we stop putting him at 3rd and McCoy at short now?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice work Zep
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
that's a good point
if it’s someone from the outside, they’ll likely want their own people, but not if it’s Butters
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I wondered if Johnny Mac could move into a coaching role next year early on
But now, I don’t think we could afford to lose his bat, ha!
Ball.
I agree the Jays appear to be grooming him for a role like that
when his playing days are over
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Wise draws the leadoff walk
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Afternoon, fellas...
Off to a good start. Nice to see…
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
J-Mac with another dinger?
Murphy’s a magician.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
Rance has a different memory on things than I do
but Bautista didn’t start hitting homers after he was moved to 3rd in the order, right? He was them and then was moved.
He wasn’t moved to 3rd until June, IIRC. The big Hill-and-Lind shakeup.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Sep 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
actually
the most raw power he had was when he was batting 7th, he was hitting a homer every 10 plate appearances – granted, over just 100 plate appearances. He had the same rate hitting 6th in the order, but over just 11 games. Hitting 3rd he has 24 homers in 284 pas
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
when the cameraman was showing in the dugout ( last at bat)
he was kind of limping…..
Only think I can think of
is that Cito worries it will disrupt Bautista’s groove. After that, I guess Johnny MacBomb is the best option left at 3B when E5 is out.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Sep 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd much rather no McCoy
but if he can play 3B then I’m with you.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Sep 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
for sure
I have no doubt that Mac is a better third baseman than McCoy, but short is a more important position so you generally want the better defender there
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
His defense has been really bad lately.
Or at least it appears to be.
Johnny Mac likes to pull the ball
There She Gooooooes!
by Rugged Rock on Sep 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
neither pitcher is hitting his spots
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
At what point do the Jays
realize that Rzep’s command is nowhere close to good enough right now for the show? His stuff is fantastic, easily good enough to be a #3 starter or better someday, but you have to command it.
he needs to pitch in order to get the command
and the minor league season is essentially over
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I don't see how he'd get better pitching to minor league hitters anyways.
I mean spending most of this year in Vegas hasn’t seemed to have helped him.
fair enough
but can’t he pitch from the pen? You can’t have starters walking 3-5 guys every start. Whatever ‘adjustment’ they made to his delivery has not helped him at all. I think coming in from the pen for 1-2 innings for the rest of the season should give him time to work on command. Then next year he can compete with the other 5-6 options for the #5 spot (Rzep, Mills, Litsch, Hill, Richmond, McGowan, Drabeck).
then you'd be complaining Tallet is starting....
sometimes you just have to have a little patience with young pitchers. Go back to the start of the season and see how many folks told us Morrow would never be a starter.
it's not that I don't like Rzep...
He’s been one of my fav prospects since’08. But I don’t think getting pounded and losing every start is going to make him feel good about himself. You don’t want to feel like you are losing games for your teammates every time out.
I think Richmond is perfectly capable of soaking up some starts. It does not have to be Tallet, that is a lazy response.
if it was one start...
i wouldn’t be talking. This is the fourth straight start like this. At what point does it become worth talking about?
personally
I have no problem with Richmond making starts instead of Zep (though with Morrow done for the year arguably there’s room for both of them). I don’t really see Richmond or Zep as great choices for long term starters in the majors on a competitive team in the AL East. Both are solid 6th starter/fill-in types, in my opinion, who will be stretched in an every-5th-day role in the majors. Zep doesn’t have the control and Richmond doesn’t have the stuff.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
i don't disagree on Richmond...
He’s no long-term solution (unless he finds a new pitch that lefties don’t crush). I think Rzep could be a great starter but like you said, not unless his control and command improve considerably (very possible, but no guarantees). I think he should start next season at AAA (provided its not Vegas) and keep working at that command. Between all the other arms I mentioned, the Jays should find someone serviceable until either Rzep’s command improves or Drabeck/Stewart are ready for the show.
I don't think so
you don’t get enough repetition from the pen, and repetition of mechanics is what creates command. Throwing 15-20 pitches every couple of days just won’t get it done. Also, you generally don’t get to throw all your pitches from the bullpen, so that’s another big problem
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
just wondering...
“and repetition of mechanics is what creates command. Throwing 15-20 pitches every couple of days just won’t get it done. "
Is there evidence of this, or does it just sound logical? Not trying to be a smartass, just wondering.
I can't say there's evidence that pitching out of the bullpen definitely won't allow him to build up command
but there’s certainly evidence that repetition of a throwing or hitting motion creates sound, repeatable mechanics essential to consistency
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Purcey's command
Seems to have improved some since switcing to the pen. Just one example. I agree with you that starting is probably the best method for improving command, and I know ‘10 is about developement, but isn’t there a point where leaving a young arm in to struggle start after start becomes counter-productive?
sure
but Purcey’s command improvement is likely due to the fact that he is now only throwing two pitches. He always had respectable command of his fastball, which is different from Zep, who doesn’t. Zep could make a good arm out of the pen, and his walk rate might improve, but that doesn’t mean it would be improving his command as a starter.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
now, if you wanted to make Zep into a relief pitcher
like Purcey, sure, you put him in the pen and have him just throw his fastball and slider with the occasional show change.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
poor at bat for Buck
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
nice work Lind
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I just noticed with that cut, Johnny Mac has a pretty violent swing.
Has it always been that way or is this another recent devlopment? I don’t remember his swing looking like that in past years.
the past few seasons
he’s really made an effort to turn on those inside pitches and try to pull them to left
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Rzep has run into a lot of really bad luck this year in general it seems.
Small sample size I know, but it’s got to suck when your ERA is 1.5 points higher than your xfip.
And just as I say that Buck completely loses a ball.
I guess when things are going bad they’re really going bad.
good try
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Ugh, once again the ball is just a bit too far away.
If Rzep got that he would have doubled up at third and gotten out of this.
I like how yankees fans are booing as if they thought that was intentional.
Funniest fanbase in baseball to lecture people on class.
it must be fun to do, haha
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Why are the sun and wind such a problem at a modern stadium?
Did they just pick a really poor location to build it or what? You’d think they’d be able to figure out how to avoid those sorts of problems when planning a new stadium.
also
building a stadium in the South Bronx, it’s not like you can put it wherever you want. Lots of logistical issues
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
I guess, but most stadiums don't seem to consistantly have an issue with the sun quite so badly.
I guess the wind might be something they intentionally built it there for since it probably inflates home runs. People like lots of home runs.
A struggle over the last month?
He’s been struggling much longer than that Buck…
w00t
good baserunning, Vernon
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
remember when
Tim McCarver thought he was being counterintuitive by suggesting that innings that begin with a home run result in more runs than innings that begin with a walk?
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
it was classic
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
My favorite of Tim's.....
he was telling a story about catching Steve Carlton and it was interesting and the camera switched to showing Doyle Alexander throwing in the bullpen with ‘Alexander’ on his back. Tim stopped the story to tell us Alexander was throwing in the pen. Not Doyle Alexander because that would have been information we wouldn’t have had by reading. And he never came back to the story he was telling.
Lyle is playing really well
I hope this doesn’t influence the team into signing him to a contract next year.
HEADING STRAIGHT FOR THEM, I PRESS DOWN MAH GUNS!
Wouldn't bother me to see him here another year.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
nice play Jose
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Nice to see him pitching well.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
get 'em next time, Travis
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
Great job Jesse...
6 up, 6 down. Can’t ask for more than that.
Might as well.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
Questionable call.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
two different strike zones today
one for the jays and one {little more generous} for the yanks
I'm starting to think Cito can't be pulling names and strategy out of a hat.
His moves would make sense once in a while if he did.
funny how one call changes the game...
the umpire gets that one pitch right…bases are loaded with one out.
Umps have been awful all game.
But that was a particularly loathesome call.
What was Hill doing with his eyes?
I had the sound off and he was blinking and squinting. The hell?
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
Rance doesn't understand that you don't have to pass both the Rays and Yankees....
but you do have to pass the red sox too
How did Rance get his job?
He doesn’t have a good voice, he stutters and stumbles on his words, starts thoughts and then just trails off all the time. What does he do well?
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They are ok when they are just chatting with each other.
but I have no clue how Rance keeps his job.
There are times
when I really enjoy having Rance break down an at-bat as it happens, accurately predicting both what the pitcher will throw next and what pitch the batter is looking for.
But that probably gets old to people who watch him all the time. I don’t pay close attention to what he’s saying most of the time I do watch.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Sep 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's the power of his mustache.
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Rivera time
Enter Sandman…
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
The jays have gotten to him once this year.
Maybe they can catch lightning in a bottle twice, who knows.
With?
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
Who would you put in his place?
Isn’t every regular either already playing or injured?
Lewis is hurt, isn't he?
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
Think he's only available to run...not hit.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
Cheering after he looked like he was hurt.
These are literally the fans that lecture the rest of the baseball world about class.
Wouldn't they wait for the out to be recorded before cheering wildly?
I don’t really see a reason to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.
Cheering still usually doesn't erupt until after the out is recorded, even on routine plays.
I’m not sure if the ball really looked like a slow roller or not though.
Cheering erupts wildly the moment the crowd thinks the potential last out hit a ground ball?
I’m going to have to just agree to disagree with you on this.
yes...always.
you can disagree…but watch…watch an easy ground ball the to pitch..turn on the Twins game right now…watch the noise on each ground out. Doesn’t even have to be an easy one to the pitcher or the last out of the game. I know it would be great to think Yankee fans are scum all the time but if you think people hundreds of feet away can see a ball hit a foot….you are looking for things to complain about.
I don't think yankees fans are 'scum'.
They’re fans and people just like anyone else. I just find it funny that a lot of them tend to lecture about certain players or fanbases being unclassy, when they act the exact same as everyone else.
Also, I never said people can see a ball hitting the players foot from the nosebleed section or anything of the sort.
That would be ridiculous.
only if they aren't watching the ball go to the pitcher
you have been to a game? Don’t you follow the ball?
anyway I stop getting into the silly ones....
of course people cheer when they think third out is coming..that’s end of the game. The twins game the last out was a ground out in just the second and people were cheering before the throw.
I've been to a lot of games.
A player crumpling over in pain instead of trotting over to first would definitely stand out even if you’re following the ball.
People get excited when they anticipate the last out coming.
But the crowd doesn’t generally cheer wildly until after the last out is recorded.
This is a silly argument, I’m agreeing to disagree again and hoping I actually mean it this time (I probably don’t).
That's a perfect pitch
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions
Man it's going to be a long winter...
no Halladay trade to obsess about, probably no big free agent signings by the Jay. I need a hobby.
Even a mistake may turn out to be the one thing necessary to a worthwhile achievement
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Sep 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
lot to obsess about...starting rotation...trades...free agents..arbitration to our relievers
I think it will be a busier winter than last year.
You can always also have possibly unrealistic hopes about certain prospects making the team the next season.
I’m hoping Trystan Magnuson gets a spot on the team out of spring training.
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