Cito Gaston Getting Off Managerial Carousel

Interesting points in an article about Cito leaving the manager's position with comments from AA about who is going to fill the spot.

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I especially found this one interesting

In reference to TO’s starting staff

“You have five [No.] 3s pitching out there,” Gaston said, “that’s pretty damned good.”

Does Cito not think any of our top 4 pitchers has the ability or stuff to be a 1 or 2?

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by JohnnyG on Sep 7, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe

but another way of looking at it is that he is setting their floor and not their ceiling. Perhaps he is saying that in the next few years none of these pitchers are going to be worse then a #3 starter. If that is the case then I got to agree with him, that is damn good.

by IanJ on Sep 7, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Glass half full or half empty situation, it looks like.

by T_Mizz on Sep 7, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions

strange comment

actually, having five #3’s is not “pretty damned good”. by definition, it’s pretty damned average.

by REMO on Sep 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Thats what I was thinking.

I wonder what would happen if you got what the average WAR is for a 3rd starter and then compared a rotation of 5 of those players vs the teams that end up winning the world series rotations.

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by JohnnyG on Sep 7, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

How many teams can say they have 4 above average starters age 28 or younger.

You are never going to have a staff of 5 ace type starters, there aren’t enough pitchers of that type in the league. I think the Jays are in very good shape. If you want to look at WAR lets examine the Yankees, yes you have relatively high 4.3 and 3.0 from CC and Petite but on the other side you have -0.2 from Vasquez and -0.6 from burnett. Hughes adds 1.5 WAR.

the Top 4 Jays are all +ve with 2.9 from Romero and Marcum, Cecil at 2.4 and 1.3 from Morrow. So what would you rather have 2 really good pitchers and 2 really awful pitchers like the yankees and alot of other teams I am sure, or 4 guys who are all pretty good.

by IanJ on Sep 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that might be looking for too much in the comment. The Jays five starters are basically a rotation of #3 starters on most teams right now (I’d personally disagree a bit), which is astonishingly good for their age, history and development at this point.

by dexfarkin on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I think people are misinterpreting the comment. He’s definitely saying it as a good thing and it doesn’t mean that we’re average. Many teams struggle just to fill their fourth and fifth starter spots with guys who belong. So for the Jays to have five guys who are solid number threes at least means you’ve got a very stable rotation, which a lot of teams can’t say, and guys punching above their weight in the back end slots of the rotation. And I’m sure Cito isn’t seeing that these five are all maximum number threes, he probably meant five guys who are “at least” so, with at least a couple of them in his opinion I’m sure being number one or two guys. So be happy.

by jabalong on Sep 7, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions