Question Time.
by Tom Dakers on Oct 9, 2011 3:24 PM EDT
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The turkey is in the oven here and my son is home from Edmonton and I have a cousin visiting from England. Well, visiting slash job hunting. He is planning on moving here, he has 'landed immigrant status' and is planning moving his young family across the ocean.
Anyway, question for you all:
What one good MLB player would you not take on the Blue Jays and why?
Personally, it is easy, Jonathan Papelbon. I just totally dislike the guy. He's just such a (what Hugo-mom-friendly word can I put in here?) douchbag (is that one word or two?). Add in that I wouldn't want my team paying that much for a closer.
Any, who wouldn't you want on the Jays?
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Jered Weaver
seems like a dbag to me
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and Jeter and Larry
if they still count
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Chipper Jones.
Five years ago… Jorge Posada.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Oct 9, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
Manny Ram... oh, wait.
I’ll join JaysSaskatchewan with ARod then. Exemplifies bad sportsmanship.
And anyone willing to spend $300 million on one player has ARod up his Pujols.
by c-square on Oct 9, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
s bombs not allowed
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I'd have to go with Alex Rodriguez...
The guy is such a terrible human being. He has proven multiple times that along with being a dirt bag he’s also a huge liar and juts all around horrible person. I would unable to cheer for him. I also wouldn’t want Josh Lueke from Seattle because he’s a rapist.
"What's so special about Lou Gehrig? Shouldn't EVERY Yankee have a disease named after him? "
by Sean Coleman on Oct 9, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like how Lueke is sort of like an afterthought
I don’t think ARod ever raped anyone. None that I know of anyways
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not criticizing you or anything
Sad, Drunk, And Poorly
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL
I wasn’t sure if Lueke really qualifies because he isn’t exactly a “good MLB player” but i did want to tack him at the end. Gotta include the rapist on list of players i don’t want on the Jays. I do find it strange that when Seattle traded for him, they didn’t know he was a rapist.
"What's so special about Lou Gehrig? Shouldn't EVERY Yankee have a disease named after him? "
lol
I know I shouldn’t laugh at that, but that’s still kind of funny
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Jose Reyes
We’d be overpaying for a guy thats gonna get hurt, plus the whole batting title fiasco was just disgusting.
by STZ513 on Oct 9, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
if he posts 6 WAR in 500 PAs
that’s fine with me. and oh yeah, definitely the first time that a player has ever focused on his own personal stats. you know that in the history of the MLB, no player batting .299 on the last at-bat of the season has ever drawn a walk in his last PA? you can infer that that’s because they want their baseball card to say .300 hitter on the back
John Kruk retired after he got to a career .300 mark. It was like the bottom of the 4th when he quit.
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by syc on Oct 9, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
from Wiki
On July 30, 1995, in a game at Baltimore’s Camden Yards stadium, Kruk singled and retired standing on first base, taking himself out of the game never to play again.3 He is believed to be the only player to officially retire mid-game.
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whoa
people doing stuff to make themselves look good? That, like, never happens.
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so because it’s a common behaviour people should be more tolerant of it? no thanks
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 9, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, but acting like it's a cardinal sin isn't the right answer either
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Nobody said it was a despicable action on par with rape. The question was ‘what good player would you not want on the blue jays and why?’. Reyes’ vanity is a perfectly acceptable reason to not want him on the Blue Jays.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
but it's not
because every single other player in the Major Leagues does that, and you have to have 25 players on your roster if you want to play Major League Baseball
No, not every player in the league does that, not even close actually.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
99% of players going into their last AB of the season with a .299 AVG
don’t take a walk.
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or was it a 100%
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one hundred
Zero walks ever in last PA of .299 hitter
by benk on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So you'd all have kicked Ichiro off the team for slapping singles?
Instead of swinging for the fences which he is apparently quite capable of doing? While not defending Reyes’ decision to sit out meaningless games in order to cement his own personal success, I don’t think it’s the first time someone put themselves ahead of their team.
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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
um, yeah
we’re agreeing with you
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Ya, I know.. Don't know why I wrote 'you all'
No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...
by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes didn't pass on a walk, he stopped playing entirely.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
“Reyes told manager Terry Collins that he would bunt and wanted to be taken out if he got a hit in his first at-bat.”
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, okay
You can disregard my below comment then. I still think a lot more players than you think would do the same, were they in the situation to do so (win a batting title) in similar circumstances (not playing for anything, free agent, etc)
by benk on Oct 10, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we know that
the point is that 100% of players are trying to get that .300. Even if it means not helping the team win the game, they’ll do it
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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL
how do we know it was entirely Reyes' doing?
Mark Eichhorn was offered to pitch 5 innings in the last game of the season purely so he could qualify for the ERA title (he declined but i don’t know why, so I will concede that not every player is Jose Reyes, maybe). All I’m saying is we don’t know the circumstances in Reyes’ exiting the game. The Mets weren’t playing for anything and if they re-sign Reyes it’s a good advertising point that he won the batting title
by benk on Oct 10, 2011 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well, we do
but really, players do this.
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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL
I’m a little amazed that this debate is even happening. There is no right or wrong answer to the question posed by Tom, Jose Reyes’ vanity is an acceptable reason to not want him on the Blue Jays.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'll elaborate
It is likely that most major league players are quite egotistical. However, the presence of a vain mind isn’t a yes/no situation, there is a continuum of ego within major league players. It seems to me that Reyes is at the higher end of this scale.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
its your opinion and you're entitled to it
But we’re also entitled to discuss or criticize it if you post it on a public forum. You’ve swayed me a little by showing it was Reyes’ idea, but I still think plenty more players would do the same, only they’re never in that position to begin with
by benk on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I kind of like that different people have different idea, and don't mind the debate.
My son got on my case for me not wanting idiotstick from the Red Sox.
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The irony here is that it wasn’t actually my suggestion. There isn’t any good player I wouldn’t take on the Blue Jays, other than those who had committed some heinous act.
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
you don’t get much more vain than Ted Williams (look up what he used to do during batting practice) and he risked officially batting .400 (I think he was hitting .3995 or something) by playing both ends of a doubleheader on, I believe, the last day of the season in 1941
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by jessef on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To preempt someone making an awful, dumb analogy:
No, this does not follow the same logic as everyone running around killing each other, or everyone jumping off a bridge. Sitting out after getting to .300 violates neither the letter nor the spirit of any rule of the game.
If you have to use the sarcasm font, you're doing it wrong.
For me its Posada, hate that guy so much
obviously papelbon is a choice too but since he is a reliever its not that big of a deal
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Prince Fielder...only cuz he would beat me outside of home games and gobble up all the chicken shawarma's from the street venders
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Nothing to worry about there
Fielder is a vegetarian.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Oct 10, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
apparently he quit
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A.J. "I nearly was hit by pitch" Pierzynski
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he's not a great player though
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missed it had to be a good one....
I nearly voted for ARod… but he ended the second season in a row for the yankees striking out….
I go with Jonathan “Cinco don´t set up” Papelbon
It´s pathethic to talk third person about yourself
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 9, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
…stunning nobody named Youk yet…..
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 9, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
I'd take him on my team
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me too
Youk is the guy that you hate when he’s on the other team…
Papelbon – he’s just a bag, so full of D, that even if you’re the staunchest Red Sox fan you couldn’t like the guy.
On the “Has-beens” category, add my vote for Chipper and Posada
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I agree but besides playing for The sox why all the hate for him?
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by syc on Oct 9, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
well he argues stuff a lot
but you could say the same about bautista
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yeah I was gonna say Jose argues if the weather is wrong
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by syc on Oct 9, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
It´s hard to be a Jedi
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Oct 9, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
not really all you have to do is make out with your sister
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by syc on Oct 9, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
his stupid batting stance
I don’t really have a good reason to hate his stance, it just irritates me.
by llello.loves.ace on Oct 9, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Teixeira spies a poor person standing close to his Mercedes
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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
CC Sabathia
Can anyone else see a big breakdown from this guy? Maybe not next season or the next, but geez, how many innings will he have thrown by his 35th birthday? Or how many more pounds can he put on that big frame of his?
Would sign him in a heartbeat and buy him a triple bacon cheeseburger to seal the deal..
Big pitchers don’t fall apart quite like you’d think they would.. Colon was quite effective this year. Not saying he wasn’t crap in between, but he was never consistently top 5 over a half decade+
No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...
by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Oct 10, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to tell how CC will age, because there are very few his size in the league.
David Wells went years longer than I thought he would, but then he isn’t quite in the same weight class as CC but was a big guy.
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Jeter, ARod, Posada and Jones are all on the downside of their careers...
…so I don’t consider them to be significant candidates.
Reyes – to injury prone to pay the money he’d likely get
Fielder – will be on the downside of his career in 2-3 years
Papelbon – I agree with Tom,
…but the guy at the top of my list:
AJ Pierzynski – I despise him. I can’t really put my finger on it, but there is something about him that bugs the cr*p out of me.
Here’s a thread idea: What Blue Jay player do/did you find it hardest to cheer for. In my case it was Roger Clemens. I could never stand him and it peeved me royally when the Jays acquired him.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Oct 9, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
A-Rod
I would stop being a Jays fan. Don’t test me AA!
A day that will live in infamy: August 4th, 2011, Sept. 28, 2011 wasn't bad either.
7 members waiting for Aaron Hill's return...
Who's worse
Jeter or ARod?
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ARod by a country mile
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by Minor Leaguer on Oct 9, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly?
Jeter strikes me as a way bigger douche
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I dunno. A-Rod's probably the bigger douche.
Jeter’s never:
1) Had a painting of him done up as a Centaur
2) Yelled “I Got It” on a pop up
3) Slapped the ball out of the glove like a bratty kid when he was tagged
4) Opted out of his contract during the middle of the World Series
From what I’ve read, Jeter’s done a lot of charity work out of the spotlight and actually sat down with the kids and talked to them unlike A-Rod.
There was that Free Agency mess from last year and (from my understanding but not really sure based on conjecture from gossip websites) be the source for a very large Herpes outbreak in Hollywood… based on the women he’s dated.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Oct 9, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think that's douche-y, just idiotic.
A worse version of Manny-being-Manny I guess.
A lot of my hate of Jeter comes from his fanbase, his unwillingness to move from SS even though he’s absolutely terrible at it, and this
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In spite of the Huckaby Incident...
…I think ARoid is worse.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Oct 11, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh god
I’d claw my brains out
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I like him
A day that will live in infamy: August 4th, 2011, Sept. 28, 2011 wasn't bad either.
7 members waiting for Aaron Hill's return...
Whaaaaaa?
He’s the 1 guy I’d want on my team.
The correct answer to the question being posed is Kevin Youkillis, and this shouldn’t be up for debate.
by craig in calgary on Oct 9, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not great though.
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by Minor Leaguer on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
OK the question said "good" but ok.
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by Minor Leaguer on Oct 10, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
plenty good enough I'd say
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adam dunn.
Papelbon is a given, but to have thay contract, and his weight/strikeout total being higher than his average would drive me bonkers.
by ddbumpus on Oct 9, 2011 9:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
but that's just 'cause he's bad
Vernon’s a comparably bad contract and we (for the most part) didn’t realy hate him/…
by ddbumpus on Oct 9, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jon Garland
Only because he struck me out in HS and took his team to the state championship. I can’t believe I swung at that pitch…
Add Randy Wolf to that list
Who also struck me out in HS. I struck out a lot in HS. But I only remember the ones that went on to the major leagues, not the ones that now play in the beer softball league…
Nyjer Morgan
That doode has zero class and is super annoying.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Oct 10, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sarcasm?
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what an obnoxious person
by scrambles the death dealer on Oct 10, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Nobody
If a good player is coming to my team, I take them if they make my team better. I’d have A-Rod at 3B, Jeter at SS, Pedroia at 2B, Youkilis at 1B and Papelbon closing if it means my team is in contention. I’d have Satan himself patrol CF for another World Series win.
I’m not a hypocrite here either. I hated Roger Clemens’ guts when he was with the Red Sox but loved him on the Jays, then hated him again when he was a Yankee. Almost nobody is worse than Rocket Roger.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
you win.
But Jeter at SS? Honestly, even if I agree with you I can’t handle that.
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Heh, yeah, I'm not crazy about Jeter at SS either
My point was more that if it was a winning team I don’t care what it looks like. The Yankees still win despite Jeter’s defensive shortcomings, I might add. It’s ok though, Satan’s defense in CF more than makes up for the defensive runs Jeter gives up on my team of the damned.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
by JaysfanDL on Oct 10, 2011 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Opening up a giant chasm
means the fly ball has to fall a really long way till it hits the ground.
If you have to use the sarcasm font, you're doing it wrong.
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