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Daniel Bard: Young, Electrifying, Available?

With the Phillies recently agreeing to terms with Jonathan Papelbon, the closer situation in Boston now remains a mystery. With reported interest in the remaining FA closer's, Boston's appears poised to add an established closer to their roster rather than promoting one from within. This news, while appealing to Red Sox fans, is not positive news for Daniel Bard. The man designated as the "closer of the future" in Red Sox nation has been groomed to take over for the imminent departure of  Papelbon since his first call to the big leagues. Now it appears he will continue to hold his post as 8th inning set-up man for the foreseeable future assuming a Bell or a Madson is given a longer term contract. With Bard's ability, he seems to possess all the tools to become a force to be reckoned with in a closer's role. In his 3 years in the Red Sox bullpen Bard's numbers have been strong, especially for a pitcher in his first 3 years of facing big league hitting. His ERA maxed out at 3.65 in 2009 but bottoms at a sparkling 1.93 in 2010, a year where he pitched the most amount of innings in his short career at 74.2 IP. His 2011 output by last season standards may have come as a disappointment to Red Sox fans as Bard's ERA plateaued at 3.33. Accompanied by his strong ERA are Bard's most valuable assets, strikeouts and control. In 2009, he averaged 11.5 K/9 while only averaging 4.0 BB/9 a K/BB ratio of 2.86. His strikeout numbers came back to earth in 09' and 10' plateauing at average of 9.15 K/9 all while maintaining a walk rate under 4.0 BB/9. These numbers accompanied by Bard's 6'4 impounding mound presence make him a candidate to close on any ball club. So where do the Blue Jays come in? IF the Red Sox sign a big name closer, Bard may become frustrated with not being given the opportunity he feels he has deserved . I would imagine that a talented baseball player such as Bard doesn't aspire to become a career set-up man given his talent and ability. Bard perfectly fits the bill as a young, controllable, and effective potential closer that AA has stated he is looking for. His cost would be less than that of Andrew Bailey but the outcome could very much be the same. A young stud who can be consistently depended in the 9th inning and better yet, a Toronto Blue Jay.

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Wouldn't he be even LESS available?

I don’t think they’ll be interested in moving their 8th inning man

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by Pikachu on Nov 12, 2011 1:11 PM EST reply actions  

yeah totally agree

No way they move him now

Rent this for cheap!!

by Bowling_Guy25 on Nov 12, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Not insinuating that they WANT to move him

but what makes him any less available than Andrew Bailey or any other young relievers that could potentially be acquired? The opportunity to make an offer is there.

by Gose Buster on Nov 12, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

that they lack solid relievers

and are competing, unlike the Athletics?

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by Pikachu on Nov 12, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well, they have Jenks and Aceves

and that’s about it

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by Pikachu on Nov 12, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Contending team

I don’t know much about bard to know if he will want to be moved if the redsox sign a closer.
  is he one of those anything for the team guys?

Rent this for cheap!!

by Bowling_Guy25 on Nov 12, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

well, it shouldn't really matter

he’s under team control through 2015

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by Pikachu on Nov 12, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If he wants to be moved

you should probably move him, you don’t want a guy playing for you that doesn’t want to be there

So he could potentially be pretty sour if they sign a closer and he doesn’t get to move up the ladder.
On the other hand, he plays for the redsox, he should be happy enough lol

Rent this for cheap!!

by Bowling_Guy25 on Nov 12, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if the opportunity existed

Boston wouldn’t want to move him to a division rival unless the offer was far and away above his value and what anyone else is offering. In which case, it’s almost certainly not a good move for the Jays.

by MjwW on Nov 12, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Fangraphs had an interesting article some time back

arguing that if you are trading for prospects, its actually BETTER to trade within your division than outside. The crux of the argument is that if you are trading away your veterans, you are presumably not expecting to compete within the next several seasons until those prospects are ready to contribute. Given that the veteran is likely to have significantly declined (or been traded away or signed elsewhere as an FA) by the time those prospects are ready, you increase your teams’ ability to compete in 2-3 years by depleting your divisional rivals of the players in their system likely to be good within that time frame.

Not sure it’s applicable to the Bard scenario, but it’s certainly interesting.

by SuckaMD on Nov 12, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

huh

that’s an interesting theory, and it feels intuitively right too

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by Pikachu on Nov 12, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That makes sense

And I recall reading it as well, but I don’t think it applies here. Boston has the core to compete over the short and medium term, and the Jays are looking to compete for sure in the medium term, and maybe the short term as well.

Also, Bard is not your prototypical veteran, in that he is young and controllable for the next 4 years, and his best expected years are in front of him

by MjwW on Nov 13, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

ya, I didn't think it was necessarily applicable here

I just thought of it and thought it was an appropriate place to share

I still don’t think the Jays should trade for Bard.

by SuckaMD on Nov 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember the last time 2 AL East teams traded anyone signifigant.

not saying it never happens, but it’s been a long time. The Jays would have an easier time prying Joel Hanrahan out of Pittsburgh, than they would getting Bard out of Boston, and by easier I still mean just shy of impossible.

 I’m keeping my fingers crossed now that we avoided the Papelbon albatross…I’m really hoping we can get through this off-season without paying a relief pitcher 10+ million to pitch 70 innings…or wasting top prospects.

by ABsteve on Nov 12, 2011 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Baseball Reference has a database of this

Jays last trade with NYY was the Canada Day 2002 salary dump of Raul Mondesi, and before that was the Clemens trade, which was kinda forced by Clemens.

Last Jays trade with Boston was in 2004 when they purchased Hinske. Only 4 trades in franchise history over 35 years, and none were significant.

I can’t see Bard going anywhere, and certainly not coming here except for a King’s Ransom.

Also, no trades with Baltimore was in 2000 (acquired Jayson Werth, though minor at the time) and with Tampa in 2004. I don’t see AA making major moves within the division based on this history, though obviously nothing’s offlimits with him

by MjwW on Nov 13, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Sox wouldn't trade Halladay straight up for him

So I doubt there’s any chance he gets moved for a reasonable deal without majorly overpaying in a trade.

by B-R_O-C on Nov 13, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions  

What is this in reference to?

How would a team that is in a position to compete not trade for Halladay with almost any player straight up, especially a reliever (albeit a young and exceptionally good reliever)? That seems just crazy to me.

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Nov 14, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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