Monday Bantering: Open Thread
I'm just about to start off for the airport, leaving a now sunny Vancouver (sure, when we have to leave it gets sunny, when we were wondering around town it was pouring rain) to go back to a wind ravaged Calgary. I'm pretty sure our house didn't blow away.
Not much for Jays news at the moment, Jose Molina signed with the Rays, he did a nice job for us but I'd rather have the draft pick (a sentence I won't be getting to write about players next year).
We picked up a middle infielder, giving us a full set of 40 players on our 40-man roster, begging the question: Who would you DFA if you were the Jays and you needed a roster spot for a free agent or a trade? Our 40-man is here. Would you hope Brian Jeroloman make it through waivers this time? Maybe Brad Mills? Darin Mastroianni? Can discuss it or anything else you want in the thread.
We were a little slow getting to the airport on the way here so we are leaving a little early to get there today, just to average out better. Have a good Monday.
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I would DFA Teahen.
And I’m not familiar with: Andrew Carpenter, Jesse Chavez, and Evan Crawford. Are they any good?
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Evan Crawford has potential to be a good relief pitcher.
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carpenter was a decent AAA starter in 09-10, and then got converted to relief last year and was filthy (in AAA still): 9.7 K/9, 1.7 BB/9. in 14 innings in the majors he kept the high K rate but the BB rate spiked to 4.3. his HR/FB% and BABIP were also really high but in a 14 inning sample those numbers are basically meaningless.
seems like he has a decent shot to contribute to our bullpen next year.
that wind was straight up insane yesterday
Gusts up to 140 kmph..with a giant grass fire that almost took us out here in Lethbridge, couldn’t even see for the smoke, I was getting nervous.
I don't mean to be this guy but you've misused "begging the question"
Begging the question does not mean raising the question but rather is a logical fallacy where one places the conclusion in the premise of an argument. It is similar to a circular argument. See here for more info.
As for the baseball, Mastroianni probably gets cut. He’s become redundant with Rasmus, Davis and the ability of Snider to fill in CF in a pinch. Jerololman is useful as a backup catcher and I have a sneaking suspicion that Valbuena may be our new starting 2B.
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Technically you are correct,
however in common parlance, usage of the “raising the question” meaning of “begging the question” has far surpassed the original, ‘correct’ meaning. Language evolves, without much caring for how ‘correct’ or not it is…
technically, you are technically correct
Faint praise.
by terry the censor on Nov 29, 2011 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
Cut Mastro and Teahan
They’re as useful as tits on a bull.
Mastro could maybe be okay
lots of players have down seasons. he’s definitely redundant on the Jays so I don’t care either way, but he could still be a useful 4th OF
Please correct me if I am mistaken
But if the Jays DFA Teahen and another team claims him, the other team must pick up his guaranteed MLB contract. If that is the case, Teahen is the obvious first pick to DFA. He’s unlikely to be claimed at that price, but if he is, well that’s a bunch of money coming off the Jays’ books.
That won’t happen for a couple of reasons, 1) nobody would claim him 2) unless the jays have somebody of high value who desperately needs that spot: the money owed to teahen is significant that it makes more sense financially to pay it over the course of the year rather than buying him out (see: time value of money) and 3) it is terrible optics to take a player with a guaranteed mlb contract and remove him from the league, the jays want to be buyers in the free agent market in the near future. This isn’t a good message to be sending.
by AkiSchennberg on Nov 28, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
I am not saying the Jays buy him out
I am simply saying that for the off season now, the Jays remove him from the 40 man roster. He still gets paid his contract and, unless the Jays find a way to move him, he goes on to the 40 man as soon as a roster spot opens up or the Jays can stash an injured player on the DL, when that option becomes available.
it is terrible optics to take a player with a guaranteed mlb contract and remove him from the league, the jays want to be buyers in the free agent market in the near future. This isn’t a good message to be sending.
Teams dump players with big salaries all the time and eat the contracts. What’s the problem here? And we weren’t even the ones who signed Teahen as a free agent, but inherited him as excess baggage.
Teahen
If you DFA him, and o one claims him, I don’t believe you can just remove him from the 40 man. He would have the right to elect free agency, as he has more than 5 years MLB experience. Then he would be free to sign with any other tam at the minimum and the Jays would be on the hook for the rest.
Ah
That must be why Teahen is still on the 40 man roster. Still, it’s an option, even if the Jays have to eat 4.5M of his 5M contract.
For sure
In the end, the Jays will almost certainly eat most of it – whether they trade him and eat some of it, release him, or keep him and not get equivalent production. But it’s not big deal, it was just part of the cost of business of doing business to get Rasmus. Any time you can essentially swallow money instead of giving up talent, I’m happy with it.
I wonder if the plan with Jeroloman
was to have him soak up knowledge being with the big club for a month to pass along to d’Arnaud next season.
I'll be surprised
If they don’t try to put him through waivers again soon. They did it once, clearly didn’t seem to mind losing him vs. having him hold the 40 man spot. We will need further 40 man spots this winter, including to get a more experienced back-up catcher (well, I guess anyone with some expierenece would have more experienced).
Ken Davidoff of Newsday was on MLB radio this morning
He said that after talking to execs that he knows, he thinks the Jays are signing Fielder. Which sparked a discussion at my workplace, a shorter deal..say 5 years with the highest AAV all time might be the kind of thing Boras would go for. Would leave Fielder young enough to go after another payday when the contract was up.
Oh I like this story.
Please, go on…
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
5 year
$125 million?
Love. <3
.313/.400/.565
I was thinking 150
Alex did say he’d rather overpay in the short term..and what’s with the snark other guy? Just making conversation about something I heard on the radio.
Ya I like the short term as well.
$30 mil? Might have to do it… then we get his prime years only!
.313/.400/.565
if he wants $30m AAV...
have to go shorter than 5 years. If I were him, I’d do a shorter contract. He hits FA again at 31-32 and another big payday.
right now
he’s likely a dh
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he`s not going to get paid like a DH
my point is, in four years, he`s more likely to be a DH and therefore paid like one. Fielder will be playing first base next year (unless the Yankees sign him) and he will be paid like a position player.
MLBPA
Supposedly the union frowns upon guys accepting fewer guaranteed dollars. I’m sure many teams would line up to bid on his services if they could do it at a 3-4 year deal.
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by NorthYorkJays on Nov 28, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Snark re:me?
I wanted to hear more. Serious request and like.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Something like this?
OH YEAH suuuuuure I ‘like’ this story 0_o.
Please GOOOOOOOO ON! (jerk)…
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
lol
yeah something like that, Fielder and Votto can be dirty words on these blogs..I was apprehensive about posting it.
Don't be.
This time of year we’re all starving for Jays news and we’re all friends here.
Am I right guys?
Ahh guys?
Hello?
*crickets
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is the competition in this blog eat blog world…
But in all seriousness, it is hard to detect sarcasm on blogs so people will usually make it very obvious it they don’t like what you’re saying like ’ DO NOT LIKE" or something to that effect.
by Dr_Furious on Nov 28, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much anyone...
there is a whole bunch of guys there that are easily replaceable. Considering the storm of talent coming through the minors starting in 2013, I wouldn’t mind seeing a few windows blown out this season. Mastroianni obviously with all the outfielders in the system. Mills doesn’t look that good even as a reliever.
Then you have guys like Magnuson, Chaves, Carpenter and Beck who can be sacrificed if necessary. If remember correctly Farina is having TJ surgery so he’ll be stashed on the DL.
I see no value in Brad Mills, correct me if I’m wrong but his fastball (and I use the term loosely) was clocking at 85 last year. That’s laughable, he’s Henry Rowengartner at the end of Rookie of the year.
FWIW
Marcum’s fastball isn’t that much quicker than Mills’ but he seems to be thriving.
I agree with you in that I don’t see much value in Mills, but to me it’s more that he’s not able to precisely spot his fastball than his actual velocity. He’s not able to consistently hit the bottom corners and so either walks a guy or gets hit hard.
Marcum throws almost an MPH and a half faster
and also has a devastating cutter and change. Mills doesn’t have either.
My point was
You don’t have to have velocity to pitch in MLB (though it can help if you do) and Marcum was the first slow pitcher who doesn’t throw a knuckleball that came to mind.
Unfortunately, Mills doesn’t have enough other stuff in his arsenal to make up for slow fastball. Personally, I think he should go and get some lessons from Wakefield if he wants to extend his career.
I've always wanted to see a lefthanded knuckleballer
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Things to discuss:
Nestor Molina future Jays closer as per Farrell on the Fan this morning.
Albert Pujols is reportedly visiting Toronto tomorrow. No one knows why.
Minor Leaguer and I are starting a taco stand business! Viva el Tacos!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions
But, but, I thought you said...
Remember the little Mexican in the vending machine idea?
You weren’t serious?
What about the bank loan I just took out? What am I supposed to do with 800 lbs of green salsa?!!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
there's a Youtube video with d'Arnaud and his" Oppo Tacos" T-shirts
maybe you can get him to be a spokesman
Nestor
He doesn’t say he’s the future closer, just that they’ve discussed it. I could see it happening, but he should get a chance at the rotation at least.
I wouldn't mind it for a couple of years...
like what the Rangers are doing with their young pitchers.
I will have more info at dinner time.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
It's confirmed by my a twitter source
Albert Pujols, agent and posse will be in T.O tomorrow.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
That is just his agent and posse.
Not the man himself. That’s still exciting no?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
AA's doing his due dilligence.
210+ million for 9 years? Probably not.
Of course, according to Deadspin, his agent is quite a sleazeball.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 28, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Saw that.
Strippers are going to make some money tomorrow night.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
So, somehow I missed the "Logo for Life" video on the Blue Jays site until today.
Does anyone else tear up just a little when they see the new logo and uniforms?
No? Me neither, I was just asking.
Anyway, I have to go now. I…. have something in my eye.
by durga2112 on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
I didn’t tear up I just get uncontrollably giddy when I see them wearing the new uniforms
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by Minor Leaguer on Nov 28, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
I can't wait for the commercials for next season.
Anyone have a line on what the motto for the the Blue Jays 2012 campaign is gonna be?
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Back to Blue?
Just an idea
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Back In Blue
Set to a thumping AC/DC track with slightly modified lyrics…
by siggian on Nov 29, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hustle + Heart
Blue.0
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by Pikachu on Nov 28, 2011 9:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We "BLUE" ourselves!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 28, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
The Toronto Analrapists
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Not appropriate.
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by Minor Leaguer on Nov 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not unless your the Rays
Think about it…
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
eh
I’m sure everyone has watched AD by now
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Not much for Jays news at the moment, Jose Molina signed with the Rays, he did a nice job for us but I’d rather have the draft pick (a sentence I won’t be getting to write about players next year).
On one hand, I’ve enjoyed AA’s creative supplementary pick wheeling and dealing, and was bummed originally to hear about the new CBA. But on further consideration, I’m happy about it now.
Maybe it will mean the end of a spare-part, short-term fix approach to certain positions, with a rotating door of guys at certain positions primarily driven by draft compensation calculations.
Maybe it will allow us to keep veteran players for longer or alternatively open the door to the team giving more young guys a shot at certain positions.
Take backup catcher this year, I’d have enjoyed having Jose Molina come back, and maybe we’d have brought him back if there wasn’t this compensation pick calculation (he only signed a one-year deal with an option with the Rays).
Or failing that, maybe removing the compensation pick appeal of rotating in another veteran on a short-term deal, opens the door for the Jays to consider giving a young guy like Brian Jeroloman a shot at the backup job.
Same goes for our bullpen, where last offseason seemed to be about signing as many veteran relievers as possible who could net us future compensation picks. Maybe under the new CBA, we give more of our young guys a shot at bullpen jobs.
by jabalong on Nov 28, 2011 5:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jonathon Broxton
Apparently he’s not resigning with LA. Maybe Toronto could give him a shot. He had a pretty horrible 2011, but we need relief help, why not sign him to a 1-yr or 2 yr deal and see if he can regain his form? He’s only a1 year removed from two consecutive all star appearances. I’d like to see AA at least make a run at him.
Broxton
is apparently only looking for a 1 yr deal so he would be worth a flier on.
MLB Traderumours say the Pirates will listen to offers for McCutchen.
Good thing I’m not the GM or the insanely deep farm system would be gutted..absolutely love that guy.
he's a great player, for sure
but we have Rasmus and he’s gonna cost a buttload
oh yeah I know
I just have irrational man-crushes on some players..maybe it’s the uni, I was a huge Barry Bonds fan when I was a kid
McCutchen is a fantastic player
but that discussion starts with Lawrie and almost definitely includes some of Romero, Escobar, Morrow, d’Arnaud, Gose, etc
Red Sox keep asking for Farrell.
If I were AA I’d be upping the price. John Lester.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 28, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions
tell them they have to write YANKEES RULE in giant letters accross the monster
by ABsteve on Nov 28, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jon Heyman SI
One would think this is a dead issue, but “Red Sox interested in John Farrell” keeps popping up again.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Nov 28, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks
I think he’s just noting (in the context of there being a split in the Red Sox front office about which way to go) that they were (“have been” – past tense, though you can infer that it continues) interested, but the Jays slammed the door by asking for Buchholtz. Though again, the “is showing” suggests it’s ongoing, but that might just be sloppy language.
MVP ballot
hey, at least he gave solid reasoning for ballot and seems reasonable based on his criteria?
eh
they should just do away with the word “valuable”. But who cares?!
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Jays should just say give us one of lester/ellsbury/pedroia/buchholz and you can have him, otherwise don’t bother asking
by Sniderlover on Nov 28, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
DFA
Looking at Cott’s, I’d say Teahen, Lind, Encarnacion, Davis are candidates to DFA. I don’t mean all at the same time, just as needed. They have sizeable but not painful salaries. If anyone wanted them, try to work a deal; if you had to let them go for nothing, you could easily replace them for about the same money. (Sounds cold-hearted, especially as I like all but Teahen, but I’ve rather protect young pitchers and middle infielders.)
by terry the censor on Nov 29, 2011 2:29 AM EST reply actions
DFAing is for fringe players
Lind, Encarnacion and Davis will not be DFA’d. Teahen is a fringe player, but his contract isn’t, so a DFA would be a last resort for him
Win Now
Even as a Red Sox fan,I am hoping the Jays will eventually open the vault and sign Fielder. I can’t remember a better time, or place, for a player to go then Prince to the Jays. 1: After so many years of losing,and with the great Jose Batista in his prime, it would make tons of sense to put him in the middle of that order,batting cleanup,behind Bautista.. with Lind batting 5th and Kelly Johnson batting 6th,you are looking at a potential 120 HR’s from 4 players.You would be getting another 100 walks player to go with Batista,making oposing pitchers have to work that much harder. Adding Fielder would put the Jays back on the map as ligitimate contenders,much like Manny Ramarez did for Boson back in 2001. As free agents go, Fielder is one of the safest bets I’ve ever seen, to warrant a large contract. His track record shows durability and incredible talent that may have not yet peaked, at age 27. With Skydome becoming a hitters paradise lately,the sky would be the limit for Prince. That being said, they should also be in on the Gio Gonzales sweepstakes,and trying to sign one of the following relievers. Luis Ayala,T Saito or Darrin Oliver. Oliver would help make up for the loss of Downs..Another thing about Halliday. The Jays actually owned him through the 2010 season, but chose to deal him a year early. Roy’s 2010 season would probably have put the team in the PS that year. With Roy,Marcum, Romero and Downs, you could have gone along way. Do other Jays fans regret that hasty move?

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