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Hall of Fame Poll: Juan Gonzalez

I was going to go through all the players on the ballot, but there are some that we really don't need to vote on:

  • Jeromy Burnitz was a pretty good player. He hit 315 home runs, drove in 981. His batting line is .253/.345/.481, not bad at all really. He made 1 All-Star team. Baseball Reference has him at a 17.6 career WAR. Not bad but not a Hall of Famer. His career stats are here.
  • Vinny Castilla, again was a good player, especially when playing in the thin air in Colorado. He had 320 homers, 1105 RBI and a .276/.321/.476 slash line. His slash line as a Rockie was .294/.340/.530. Coors Field, prehumidor was a place where any player could hit a home run. Vinny hit .316/.348/.504 there. The Hall is a little short on third basemen but there are likely a dozen that should get in before Castilla gets mentioned. His career numbers are here.

So let's look at Juan Gonzalez. Juan hit 434 home runs, had 1404 RBI and had a slash line of .295/.343/.561 on his career. He won 2 AL MVP awards (1992 and 1998), made 3 All-Star teams and was a Silver Slugger winner 6 times. His .561 career slugging average puts him 17th on the all-time list. He led the AL in homers twice and is 40th in the home run list.

He is one that early in his career looked like a sure bet to be in the Hall of Fame, but his numbers dropped off after he turned 30. He only hit 94 home runs after the age of 30.

You can check out Juan's career numbers here.

Poll
Would you vote Juan Gonzalez into the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Yes
59 votes
No
176 votes

235 votes | Poll has closed

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Was his defense any good?

TZ says it was pretty bad, but not sure if it’s accurate. His wRC+ isn’t that amazing either. I’d say no.

Derp

by Pikachu on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Nope

He was overrated by traditional stats, and the raw numbers are inflated due to the era. Career ~40 WAR is enough to say no. Add the links to steroids, and that ends any remaining longshot he would have (though I say no on the merits alone).

by MjwW on Dec 1, 2011 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

Tough one

I think for me, it’s a case by case basis. I don’t really view it as a moral issue – yes, it was against the law, but my inner libertarian can’t be too bothered. Throughout the ages, pretty much every player will have tried to find an advantage, this was just the 1990s version. That said, I think there should be an even playing field, and there is a part of me that says there should be a certain integrity to the game. Also, MLB, fans, writers all turned a blind eye ad condoned it for a number of years, especially after the strike when HRs brought fans back. So it’s complicated – I don’ t think users should get a free pass, but they shouldn’t have the door slammed either.

I think the first step is to look at the numbers and ask how strong the case is, after accounting for inflated offense. If it’s borderline, and a player were connected to steroids, I wouldn;t give them the benefit of the doubt. Rafael Palmeiro is an example.

If the case is pretty strong, my next approach would be to ask what the career was like before steroids. This is obviously not easy, but take Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Clemens put up 74 WAR as a Red Sox, before his body transformed from a mix of conditioning/steroids. Bonds – if he had retired in 1999, rather than start taking steroids, he had already put up 107.4 WAR. That’s a first ballot, inner circle career right there. Now, both of these guys have the added complications of legal issues resulting from steroids, which hurt their efforts. I certainly don’t condone perjury, but I have a hard time saying they shouldn’t be in when Ty Cobb’s plaque is there.

If it’s still not clear after these two tests, then I’d lean against, but I’d have an open mind. The other thing is, the student of history in me says that rather than try to shove the Steroid Era into the closet and pretend it never happened, baseball should recognize it as a part of the past.

by MjwW on Dec 1, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

career fWAR

Juan Gonzalez – 38.6
John Olerud – 61.3

by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 1, 2011 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

And that right there should pretty much end the debate about whether or not Gonzalez deserves to be in the HOF.

Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.

by Jevant on Dec 1, 2011 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Juan Gonzalez

This is a no brainer. Juan’s career WAR isn’t even close to Jim Rice, probably the most undeserving entry into the HOF in recent years. Rice surpasses Gonzalez almost every season and is far ahead of him career wise. GJohn OLerud

by birdwatcher on Dec 1, 2011 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

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