Blue Jays Sign Litsch and McGowan
by Tom Dakers on Dec 12, 2011 7:54 PM EST
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PrintThe Blue Jays signed Jesse Litsch and Dustin McGowan to one year contracts. Jesse will get $975,000 and Dustin $600,000 for the 2012 season. It saves them from going to arbitration.
The Jays still have 7 players eligible for arbitration: Brandon Morrow, Casey Janssen, Carlos Villanueva, Kelly Johnson, Jeff Mathis, Colby Rasmus and Ben Francisco.
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Great to have them
Both should be, at minimum, excellent bullpen arms and could compete for starting jobs as well
Just say it
“Can’t be worse than Jo-Jo Reyes”
McGowan should be a bargain
Would have liked to maybe see some options, but realistically there’s no way ou could structure somthing that both sides would consider a win, due to the uncertainty. I just really don’t want to see him make a nice come back, and then leave next year.
I'd hope so
But on the other hand, if he has a big year (league average starter, 2.5 WAR year or really good reliever, 1 WAR+), it could be his only chance to really cash in. Though I wouldn;t like it as a Jays fan, I wouldn’t begrudge for doing it either – everyone looks out for their own interests, especially in the baseball world.
Money's money
If the Jays don’t offer him a fair offer, he should go.
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I remember that.
Put up with all that crap, and he was gone first chance he had.
Mathis signed for 1.5 million
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I was think more of a dam it
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by jaysfan100 on Dec 12, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great signing.
In my opinion hes the best catcher on our 25 man.
Do you really think he's better then JPA.
Really?
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perhaps he thinks he's a better catcher
but not a better hitter.. if you get what I mean
Well
According to hardball times, he saves us 32.1 runs compared to JPA on pitch framing alone. Throw in game calling, passed balls, wild pitches and it becomes close.
surprisingly valid
though I’d imagine Arencibia’s defense will improve. not sure if Mathis’ hitting will
I would put it at even chances tbh
Arencebia is a little bit old for big improvements and has been a catcher all throughout the minors. No reason to suspect change this year. If JP can improve behind the plate, Eric Thames can in left field.
Mathis will be in a new park with a new hitting coach. I think its possible he develops the skills to post a .250+ OBP.
wow, you love bringing up Thames
and Mathis is 28, if you’re going to argue about one guy’s age, it should be him and not the 25-year-old
I bring him up because hes younger than JPA and can't improve defensively?
But JP can? I think both can improve marginally, I’m a firm believer in 2nd seasons.
Mathis is older but again, a lot is changing here.
you just brought up Thames for absolutely no reason
besides that no one thinks he’s incapable of improving. I prefer my strawmen on the Yellow Brick Road
by benk on Dec 12, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You said JP can improve
So I mentioned so can Thames, his younger friend coming off less MLB experience.
But you seem to be under the impression that Thames can't improve
But JP can? It relates to another thread but still is baseball nonetheless.
Game on.
:D
Actually tbh it might of been Pika.
for the record
I don’t really see him ever being “good” or even average defensively (I don’t really see it for JPA either, TBH). I think it’s unlikely he spends his entire career emulating Jonny Gomes too though
I don't know that one is definitively easier to learn than the other
especially because Thames presumably has been playing OF for quite a while (as JPA has catcher) so should be better if he was going to be really good defensively
though I suppose
ceteris paribus, some random guy is going to have an easier time playing MLB LF than MLB C. but I don’t know how valid it is for current MLBers.
Well, the positional adjustments
are +12.5 for catchers and -7.5 for LFs. That would suggest that it’s far easier to play catcher, because otherwise guys with good bats would stick behind the plate. The reason guys with worse bats tick at catcher, is because it’s harder to play defensively.
yes, I agree
but I don’t know if that’s totally valid in comparing two Major League players’ likelihood and magnitude of potential improvement
It seems kind of intuitive to me that catcher would be more difficult
But again that’s just based on intuition, I have no real statistics to back that up. I guess I go along with the belief that it takes longer for catchers to develop. Thames doesn’t strike me as a guy with the “tools” to be good in the outfield. Even for him to become average would take huge strides
Anecdotally, absolutely
I remember some brutal jumps/reads on balls hit his way. Also, it seems gets confused about taking paths to balls sometimes
I seem to remember a lot of... spins?
Twirling? I don’t know, spinning in circles looking for the ball I guess. Its quite comical thinking of it when the runs it cost us don’t sting as much. Maybe its just me but his arm didn’t exactly blow me away either
well, it is more difficult
but that doesn’t mean it’s more difficult for a guy who breaks into the MLB as a bad catcher to improve his defense than it is for a guy who breaks in as a bad LF to improve his.
Yes
But you could give JP a little more leeway for being bad since learning to catch is harder and it would take more time for him to develop his defense, was my point. On the flip side I guess you could argue since its the more difficult position to learn you’d expect Thames to imrpove at an easier position. I think this whole thing is going to go around circles
I really don't think Arencibia will improve that much
he’s not exactly an agile guy back there
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Agreed.
I think any increase defensively will be marginal.
I saw him improve a lot over the season
he started to make a lot of heads up plays at the end of the year, started to be quicker on his feet
throwing to 2nd on bunts, running down popups
I really believe he can improve a lot, mostly because i have witnessed some progress
No, i don’t think he will be a Pudge or a Molina, but definitely passable
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
that too
i’m really excited to watch him next year, I think he’s going to be better then expected, and that’s awesome =D
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
THT did a re-do of fWAR for catchers including the defense. Jeff Mathis went from a -1.0 fWAR to … -0.5 fWAR.
Derp
did that include CS?
(unbiased, since I don’t know which one is better) but I don’t believe UZR takes arm into account
But does that include the worst stat ever, cERA
I know its a horrendous stat but we need to be realistic here. Game calling may be the single most important factor here. Its just currently unmeasurable.
but it's equally likely that it's the least important factor
and since we don’t know how to quantify it, we can’t really say that’s why Mathis is better without some indicator of whether or not that’s true
so we have no idea if he's amazing or godawful at game calling either
since you can’t measure it. Therefore, you should just ignore it for now
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
You have a point
But the little data we have (cERA within his own team) proves he is superior to other Angels catchers.
No, not if it's a garbage stat
And I wouldn’t put much weight, if any, in cERA based on what we know.
I believe that's true
but that shouldn’t explain the difference in cERA between the catchers, which, I’ll at least admit, definitely exists
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
It’s one study. I’m not saying the results aren’t valid, just that I want to see more research before we take those type of numbers as the gospel. I’m very concerned about possible multicorrelation in these numbers (same pitchers throwing to same catchers).
hence the quasi
it’s the best we got, and until someone debunks and improves on it, I’m willing to use it as a crutch
probably
but for his entire career as an Angel?
I’m not saying he actually has a skill, I’m just wondering if there is something going on (like Scioscia doing something special whenever mathis is catching)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Even then
A larger sample size will give us more confidence about the inferences that were are drawing. There will still be outliers, and Mathis could be one – absent a lot more study on cERA, I don’t trust it.
cERA isn't the most accurate
But its the equivalent of using ERA before FIP and other peripherals. Sure there can be outliers but there tends to be a trend.
thats a possibility
But in a world with no means of measuring such a skill which is unarguably the most important part of a catchers duties, in context, whats available should be used to measure who we have.
Just my opinion but I think it is about as accurate as ERA.
"unarguably the most important part of a catchers duties"
we could argue all day about this if you wanted, actually
It is logically impossible for cERA to be as accurate as ERA. ERA’s failing is that it assigns disproportionate credit to the defensive player who had the most (but not all of the) impact on the play. You’re arguing that the Catcher has exactly as much impact on each play, despite the fact that he never has to throw the ball to the batter, and often goes totally uninvolved in plays.
No, that's not true
ERA is/was used, because it measures the pitcher. We know that the pitcher was a lot of control over what happens in his starts (from a run prevention perspective). Using cERA assumes the catcher is very important, and attributes results to him. Now, assuming the catcher is the most important non-pitcher run preventer, how much is the effect.
It’s like me saying, well, the Jays only allowed by 5 runs in the 3 games I went to, so my fERA (fan ERA) is 1.67. Well, yeah it is – does it mean anything, obviously not
by MjwW on Dec 12, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like fERA
when can we start to calculate blogger ERA?
out of curiosity...
who calls the games for the Jays? or rather, who called them last year?
I think I've heard Buck and Pat say a couple times that Waka was relaying sign
but then again, Buck and Pat
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
just wondered as
I’ve read posts a couple of times on the site discounting the influence of Catcher X’s game calling because the bench has been calling the games… just got me wondering if anybody here knows for sure who calls them for us. I certainly don’t, but I hardly get the chance to watch them (baseball doesn’t make it to us and the internet is too slow to bother with streams) or even listen to games much anymore.
I know it’s become more of a trend to call games from the bench, but I don’t know exactly how much the Jays do it. To me, part of pitch calling is knowing how the pitchers stuff is on a given day, and the catcher has a better sense than the bench. I imagine Molina did most of his own calling.
I would think
if a team decides “this catcher’s game calling is bad” (presumably they know, right?) then they’d start calling from the bench, which is why I think game-calling skill is negligible.
this is 100% true
Mike soscia calls the games
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
There is no (effective) 25 man right now
The active (25 man) roster is only relevant in the regular season.
And also, do you really think hes better than JPA?
The Blue Jays have sent the Cardinals cash considerations rather than players to be named later to complete this summer’s Colby Rasmus trade, reports MLB.com Gregor Chisholm (Twitter links). St. Louis was supposed to received three players to be named later in the deal.
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
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from MLB Trade Rumors
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
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oops
missed the Fanshot
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 12, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Lawrie get Moore's deal
practically no chance it happens though. I’d be pretty happy with like a 3/20-30 extension for Morrow too
I was hoping they pull the Longo-deal on him when he came up
I hope they at least tried to.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Lawrie would get more than that
Pitchers sign at a discount to position players, becuase of the huge risk of blowout their arms means more utility in guaranteed money.
But I’d do 6/40-50M with options
I read an article
speculating that Moore was more willing to sign his extension because he was an 8th round pick and so didn’t receive a huge signing bonus when he was drafted. A guy like Eric Hosmer, who got a $6M bonus, already has some financial security so can afford to gamble on his future production in the hopes of maximizing his arbitration payouts.
That and the general unpredictability of pitchers probably explains why Moore was willing to sign for what he did
I agree
Though it still doesn’t explain why he gave away free agent years. He could have done what Adrian Gonzalez did and give a sweetheart deal on his arb years, then be in line for free agency young.
With regards to Lawrie, he got about $1M iirc, which is certainly more than Moore, but not set-for-life sum really either (whereas like Hosmer’s is)
he could have
but maybe the Rays weren’t willing to extend him at all without Moore accepting several option years at the beginning of FA, and Moore wasn’t willing to part with the guaranteed financial security that signing his deal provided him.
Sure
But hypothetically, let’s say the Rays offered that contract, and he said, I’m not giving you options on the FA years. For the Rays, the cost certainty is important, and signing the deal means they don’t have to play service time games to avoid more arb paydays when they already have a competitive team. So if he countered with, say $8M for 4 years, with 2 options, it’s hard to see Tampa Bay refusing that given their situation (though it’s clearly inferior to what he got, it’s probably better than year to year, especially if he’s great). It’s interesting, because it really gets down to negotiating, relative elasticities, understanding the constraints and desires of the other side. I find this type of stuff fascinating
absolutely
but it’s also possible that Moore’s camp presented this and it was rejected by Tampa for whatever reason, or that Moore values the extra $7M in guarantees over the presumed higher payday in free agency.
$15M sets you up for life. It’s tough to turn down a guarantee like that when you’ve thrown something like 50 career MLB innings. Plus, it’s not like he gave away his free agency years for nothing – if his options are all picked up, he stands to make like $40M total, or something. Not exactly chump change
Yep
I agree. Also, it guarantees that the Rays don’t play service time games, which could eat a free agency year anyway, so in some ways it’s only 1 free agent year vs. what he probably would have got, and a much better payda not to mention no more minor league time (assuming all goes well) and the 8 hour bus rides and crappy hotels that go with it
ya, that could be a factor too
hadn’t thought of that
Me too
But I don’t think it happens. I think Morrow specifically, but also his agents, know that his peripherals are elite and that if he ever puts it together in the next two years he’ll cash in big time, so why sell yourself short now when you ca still make good money.
In a related point, if he won’t agree to an extension, I could see him being traded in the offseason next year since he really wouldn;t be a piece of the core. Especially if he emerges this year and the peripherals line up somewhat with the results
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His 2011 wRC+ is 26
wow, he's Wellsian in his inconsistency
WAR by year since 2006: 1.4, 0.4, 2.2, 0.4, 2.2, -0.4
(if you’re wondering, Wells’ wRC+ since 2006: 129, 82, 117, 86, 125, 77)
What's interesting
Is that with Wells there’s basically a reason…it’s mostly BABIP fluctuations, and if you take two year intervals, the “inconsistency” goes away, because the BABIP is far more stable.
With a FIP based WAR measurement, we might expect some variation based on HR/FB, but you don;t really see it here. Some of it is innings based, but it’s curious.
To be honest, I’m not really sure what Pikachu thinks the Jays should/shouldn’t do in regards to him, but I think he could be worth a flyer.
Kuo's 2009 really wasn't that bad
pretty sure he was injured, only pitched 30 innings.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
his SIERA is only REALLY high in 2007
every other season it’s below 4 (exactly 4 in 2011)
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
basically
take a flyer on him. He’ll cost, what, $2M? Better investment than Mr. 26
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
And thus a nickname was born
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
thus is a horrible word to use
Im on my game tonight! look out!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
On the contrary
I think it’s a great word. Right among my favourites, along with conflated, fundamental and gratuitous
I like wobbly, say it aloud, its quite fun!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
Superfluous
Another personal favourite. Even better if you use superfluous in tandem with gratuitous.
Yeah
I see it, as you said, kinda tangentially. Sort of in reverse, if you really think about it. The fallacy is that conjunctional statement is a subset of the broader statement, whereas the fallacy of cERA is that the catcher’s role in run prevention is a subset of run prevention, and by necessity less than the whole thing
I had not heard that one previously. I like it, and am going to make a conscious effort to work it in.
Hmmm. Apparently it’s spelled mellifluous.
by DavidLondon on Dec 12, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
Funny, that’s been used to describe my manner of speaking at times (though perhaps not with that exact word, and occasionally with a few unprintables attached)
If I ban one of you would the other disappear?
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
bugger
see it here: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/correlation.png
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
i see it under the x
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
really? it’s cut off after the 2nd frame in Chrome
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
depends on how big your window is I think
and/or if you have SBNation set to display in narrow or wide moed
WHOAAAAA
There’s a wide mode?
/mindblown
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
WHOAAAAAA
Everything’s the same but wider so it’s different… whoaaaaa
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
its so much better
you will never go back
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I love that
I saw a website once where you buy it printed on a t-shirt. But in the end i demurred on the purchase
I read an article on fangraphs once
arguing that dividing a player’s career into seasons amounts to assigning arbitrary endpoints to their production and skills.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the stated premise: if one is to divide a player’s career into chunks (which is often necessary, such as in studying aging curves), seasons are decidedly the least arbitrary endpoints that can be assigned. So either you divide into seasons, IMO, or you don’t divide at all – which strikes me as more silly.
But as one example, the article used Vernon Wells’ career ISO numbers. While it has fluctuated wildly from season to season – 194, .239, .158, .197, .140, .242 and .169 from 2005 through July 2011. But if you instead break up his career into July-June blocks, the numbers show much more stability – .228, .171, .154, .176, .203, .179. A few more players are used as similar examples.
You can read it here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/seasons-are-arbitrary-endpoints/
Again, I don’t agree with the premise, but it’s an interesting take on stats fluctuations
Right
And to correct what I wrote above, it’s ISO not BABIP that does this to Wells’ numbers.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you – the calendar is convenient, and systematical, and as you say, you’re going to have to divide and this prevents a source of cherry picking. But if a player is born Dec 31st vs. Jan 1, their season age is going to change while their calendar age is basically the same.
I think the point they were trying to make about arbitrary end points is that a lot of statistics are very volatile, and so one season’s worth of data does not give a very tight confidence interval in terms of their true talent level (the more common – and imprecise – way of saying this is the stat doesn’t stablize as quickly). So the point is, analyzing the data by season only gives you limited insight into the true talent levels because of this, but this is the most common way of analyzing data.
Now, for something like an aging curve, it probably doesn’t matter, since a good study will aggregate a ton of players anyway and the noise will cancel out. But for studying an individual player, this won’t work. So the larger point would be to consider what you are studying when you decide how to divide up the data.
ya, I get what they are saying
and it’s certainly an interesting way to look at things. It’s just if you are going to break up a guy’s career into 162-game blocks (as is convenient to do for many purposes), a calendar season is the most convenient and least arbitrary way to do it since such a division is bounded on both ends by a several-month-long offseason which affords players time to recovery from injury, retool their swing, or just take a break from the grind and recharge their focus.
Such a concrete division doesnt exist for other end points one can choose. While dividing into calendar seasons may be arbitrary, it is certainly the least arbitrary division there is.
The daily Yu Darvish comment..
When does the silent bidding end? (I heard it was 4 days). And the club has an additional week to accept or decline, is that correct?
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Four business days, so Wednesday (don’t remember the exact hour). Then four days (also business days I believe) for the Japanese club to accept
Thx!
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by outoforder87 on Dec 12, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
oops ignore those random names
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
OriLOLes nontender JOJO
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I can't wait to see him back in a Jays' uniform!!!!!
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
sad jo jo :-(
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, I know that. They're still the OriLOLes, though
even a broken clock is right twice a day
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Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Guessing game time! How many of the following players will not agree to a deal and go to arbitration?
Casey Janssen, Brandon Morrow, Colby Rasmus, Carlos Villanueva.
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Rasmus and Villa
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
None of them.
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"Wu-Tang is for the children." : ODB
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Sammut's talking baseball on the Fan590
http://player.rogersradio.ca/cjcl/on_air (I saw a Bell ad!)
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A little OT
But I see Bell/Rogers crossing each other’s platforms all the time and it strikes me as cognitively dissonant.
The weirdest was, I was watching a program online through CTV’s site/player, and the featured ad (the one that replayed every break and anyway has a visual ad beside the video) was the Rogers ad where they are bashing “Fiber” internet (a very, very clever proxy for Bell’s FIBE service). So Rogers is paying Bell for the opporunity to bash him. It’s almost literally the epitome of Lenin’s quip that capitalists will sell you the rope by which you hang them.
As I understand it
The reason both don’t mind the other advertising on their networks is because they know they’re going to run the ads somewhere. If they’re going to have to deal with it either way, they’d rather get some money for it along the way.
Yeah
From a business perspective, I completely understand it. It’s just…dissonant to me. And would think that they might make exceptions for ads that directly bash their service (ie, Bell accepts a Rogers ad if it promotes Rogers, but not if it bashs Bell). And maybe it just seems funny because it sort of supports a communist critique of capitalism.
Also, I think there might be legal reasons too, ie, you can’t refuse to air a commercial from someone as long as you are offering it on the same commercial terms to others. For example, when the over-the-air carriers were fighting for carriage fees from cable companies, you’d be pro/con ads on right after one another, and from a strategic sense it wouldn’t make sense to allow your opponent to run ads countering you unless you had to (or, maybe it was just a case of money)
do you know why they call it fibe?
because its not actually fiber in ontario, and thats why you see fine print “only in ontario and __” manitoba i think it says.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 12, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
i was going to type it like that
but he didn’t and i got scared
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
I put it as Fiber because I thought that’s how Rogers used it – I thought I recalled thinking the spelling was incorrect – but I was wrong. Mea culpa
Gasp
I don’t mind it, actually kind of like it for the distinctiveness. But then again, they’re all (or mostly?) French spellings so it’s no big deal to me. What always gets me is the words that are identical in French and English, have the same sounds, except for difference suffixes: -ance v. -ence. Drives me bonkers because I get it wrong 50% of the time
Oh, so you’re a French speaker. Apropos nothing … I think “mellifluous” comes from miel.
by DavidLondon on Dec 13, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
From what I see, it looks like it came directly from Latin, but the distinction is pretty artificial since miel is directly from Latin as well.
A little research: “a mellifluous voice” → “une voix mielleuse”.
by DavidLondon on Dec 13, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know exactly why the name FIBE was chosen
But I imagine it tested well – sounds clean, kinda futuristic, distinctive, must of tsted well.
Not sure what you mean though – if it’s not fibre in Ontario, why would they say only in Ontario and _(whatever province)?
.
rogers in the attack ads
cliam its the old phone lines but only in ontario.
Bell hasn’t laid enough new lines yet to call there network fiber in those two provinces, most are still on DSL, not the actual fiber lines that other provinces have
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
Daric Barton tendered a contract by the A's
So no cheap pickup for Pikachu
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 12, 2011 11:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Pikachu is crying right now
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pikachu's shouldn't cry
water and electricity don’t match
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Jays signed Listch 325K cheaper then MLBTR predicted. 100K cheaper for DMc.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
This
sorry, missed that you had put this up :P
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
No worries.
As a sidenote, I’d be interested in looking at the predictions and comparing them to what players (who were tendered) get – from the partial numbers I’ve seen so far, it seems like the MLBTR predictions are on the high end, but that could be because players settling at this point might not do well though arb, and those who do are waiting.
And 300K on Mathis
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
So Litsch for $975k, McGowan for $600k, Mathis for $1.5 million
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 13, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
thats what the post says?
i dont get how this is new
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Just looking at how AA signed all 3 slightly cheaper then what was expected
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
The numbers were in tom's write up.....
he Blue Jays signed Jesse Litsch and Dustin McGowan to one year contracts. Jesse will get $975,000 and Dustin $600,000 for the 2012 season. It saves them from going to arbitration.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
I'm lost
and can’t be bothered to dissect semantics further =D
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 13, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think our media went to sleep without finding out the results of the last 4
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
We tendered everyone
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
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