New York Post Thinks Blue Jays Will Get Yu Darvish
by Tom Dakers on Dec 15, 2011 9:29 PM EST
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PrintThere is a story in the New York Post saying the Jays put in the high bid. This would mean something to me if I thought the Post knew anything about it. They don't. No one outside the commissioner's office and the Fighters know anything. But let's look at the story.
Having made a posting bid above $40 million and possibly close to $50 million, the Blue Jays are the favorites to land the negotiating rights to Yu Darvish.
How do they know this? Because some people are guessing the Jays bid that much. They don't know.
There is a belief the Cubs also made a large bid on the right-handed pitcher but a number hasn't been attached to their bid.
There isn't a number attached to their bid? That seems to be a bit of a mistake, you would think if you were making a bid, you'd want to attach a number to it. Without a number, it really wouldn't be a bid. Oh, they mean that they don't know what the Cubs bid was? Well, makes it much the same as the Jays' bid.
According to several sources with knowledge of the situation, the Blue Jays made the monster bid on orders from owner Rogers Communications.
I'd love to know who the "sources with knowledge" are. Anyone really think that Rogers would try to tell Anthopoulos and Beeston how to run the team? I mean, I can see it the other way around, Alex and Paul deciding that Darvish could be an important part of the team and then making the case to Rogers, but the other way around? Nah.
Can you see it? Some Rogers executive saying "hey, my kid told me that this Yu guy is pretty good. Go offer him a pile of money. If you need a sweetener, give him unlimited free texting."
Though the baseball fraternity wasn't shocked the Yankees made a bid, heads shook over the rumored size of the Blue Jays' bid.
I would think the "baseball fraternity" would be shaking their heads at whoever tried to tell them the they knew how much the Blue Jays bid.
"He has better stuff than (Hideki) Irabu and (Daisuke) Matsuzaka,'' a talent evaluator from a team that didn't bid said of Darvish.
DiceK won 33 games in his first two seasons with the Red Sox, there was nothing wrong with his 'stuff'. Injuries and a lack of conditioning was a problem, not his 'stuff'. If Yu's is better then I'd be happy if the Jays got him.
Anyway, take the Post's story for what it's worth, they don't know any more than we do, which isn't all that much.
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The New York Post is akin to the Toronto Sun but just dickisher
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 9:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Unlimited free texting is not enough, Unlimited data should do it
but we know Rogers will never offer that lol
Just kidding around, man the days before tuesday is going a pain with rumors flying around. Dice-K situation was the same as it didnt get leaked early, so i guess there won’t be any real news until the deadline
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Well
As skeptical as I am, I suppose Rogers could potentially be interested in the Japanese market enough to encourage Beeston and AA to make sure they won, assuming they were already interested.
It’s a longshot, l but who knows.
I doubt Rogers has any interest in cracking the Japanese market
And if they did, I don’t think they would start by bidding on Darvish.
.313/.400/.565
Why wouldn't they?
There a lot of cell phones in Japan.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Dec 16, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
Completely different market.
There is no benefit to bidding on Yu, then leveraging that into becoming a massive carrier in Japan. The rules of the game in Canada are so different, it just makes absolutely no sense from a business perspective. If they could do it profitably with Yu, they could do it without Yu as well.
And they just won’t. It’s not feasible. It sounds good for a second, until you actually think about it.
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Rec'd that post
for sheer insight on sports media…
so much hot air…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
I like to think that Rogers made several suggestive hints that money is there instead of orders
Like leaving $100 bills around the offices at Rogers Centre or installing a golden fountain in the lounge area.
Or buying MLSE, that kind of ridiculousness.
Ball.
Wordle from the big Darvish thread
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
My favourite part:
All th words bigger than Darvish in the graphic made from the nominally Darvish thread:
- Pikachu
- baseball (this makes sense)
- boring
- think
- wRC (I like that this is there)
- just
- bid
- Jays
At first I thought there was a lot of talk about wRC for some reason
Then I see Pikachu’s signature
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yea common words were taken out
I also took out “reply” “actions” “AM” “PM” “EST” “Dec”
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
haha awesome
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
by outoforder87 on Dec 15, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Someone mentioned Casey McGehee? That’s pretty cool.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
And "Pirates" and "Veras" are in there, too!
You guys actually talked about us!
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
Not really
You’re not the only Pirate fan that likes to comment over here.
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Oh.
Well, then. =P
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If it makes you feel any better, you guys seem to be the only other fans from other sites
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Haha, gotcha.
Has he been plugging his new blog to you guys?
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I’m famoussss
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7 members waiting for Aaron Hill's return...
The Rangers bid was $38 billion???
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
That’s still a lot. Maybe it’s 3.8 billion yen
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
mentions something in there about the high bid being 49 million from the rangers...via evan grant's twitter.............
by yellowalman on Dec 15, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Rehashing
Sorry I posted that article because someone tweeted it and I just liked the Google translation saying the Rangers paid $38 billion
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
OK, thanks
Thought I was missing something considering how excited you seemed and the flurry of activity it generated. False alarm #1 of many to come beofre Tues
I don't think that was false alarm #1 :P
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
google translate is awesome
Under these circumstances, military records, you can compete with a large reinforcement of Angels nemesis, had just been caught Darvish said.
by leaflover4ever on Dec 15, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
If I might ask, whose 2011 wRC+ was 26?
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
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How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
Jeff Mathis
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can we please make that his nickname PLEASE
by leaflover4ever on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
He's only the backup catcher, he won't do much damage
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There is only 1 "n" in Hutchison
one spot in the lineup won't matter much for 80-100 ABs
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not when he's arguably the worst hitter in MLB
He cost the Angels -23.0 runs last year with the bat
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
because he had over 200 ABs with them
He won’t cost nearly as many runs with less ABs. Also, do you think he can really be worse than that? I think the Jays might fix his swing a bit. Apparently the guys over at Halos Heaven believe that the Angels hitting coach, Mickey Hatcher, ruins everybody’s swing. Maybe the Jays see something they can work with.
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fix him magically?
then trade super high for a core piece?
in MLB or just the Angels?
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Who were they?
I thought he was the worst
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Wow, didn't expect Ian Stewart
And Mathis isn’t even the worst hitting catcher, that honour belongs to Mr. Butera.
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Oh, but he's got a great arm, don'tcha know.
Look at that cannon! I’m sure that’s gotta be worth some runs on defense.
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by wg1of5 on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on
Everyone has made that mistake on a baseball video game
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like
the RBI baseball reproduction of the ’86 World Series game 6 with the real commentary in the background.
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 15, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Did you ever play
M-Network baseball for the Atari 2600?
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 15, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Didn’t know even know what that was until I just Googled it.
I’m not a big gamer at all, used to play All-Star Baseball on the N64 about 10 years ago but other than RBI pretty much nothing else
It wasn't a huge game or
anything and the graphics are obviously bad but it had great playability. You could change the pitch speed in the middle of a pitch. I haven’t played it ffor eons though.
AA - Sign Darvish, Cespedes, AND Jorge Soler
by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
The value is all in his cERA
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Is it bad
that I read (in my head) the google translated version in a japanese/broken english/fresh off the boat kinda way?
by MDBlueJayfan on Dec 15, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Strikes?
I’m all good with it as long as he throws strikes. Dice-K nibbled every which way, throw strikes! I couldn’t stand watching Kevin Gregg throwing 30 pitches an inning, why would I want to see it for 5 innings?
DiceK had an above average BB/9 rate in NPB
not as good as Darvish, but still above average.
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
DUDE
DID YOU GUYS SEE THE HEYMAN TWEET
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ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
Eh, all right.
But someone in this thread has to provide an equal or better quote!
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ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker
How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
I already took it out.
Just hadn’t applied yet for some reason.
Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.
How many brooks would a Brooks Laich like if a Brooks Laich could like brooks?
WHOA Has this picture of Darvish ever been posted?
http://www.officiallyjd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/20110804_saitou_06.jpg (NSFW)
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha. Imagine the possibilities of...
him and Lawrie hanging out. I could see AA having to post bail.
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by outoforder87 on Dec 15, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Wait until you see what Griffin writes if Darvish does become a Jay
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YU is True Blue!
Putting the YU into the Blue?
They Got YU!
Who Made YU? The Blue Jays Do.
YU-HOOOO! Jays Win Posting!
Just the puns alone aught to pay for the posting fee!
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
probably true
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Dammit scooped by Stoeten again
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
here
www.drunkjaysfans.com. I don’t know how to do links. Also contributes to Getting Blanked on the Score Baseball site.
Decent, not as good as here though.
I don’t understand what you’re doing.
by leaflover4ever on Dec 15, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Let's just move on
#pretendingIdontknowthecompetition
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
#itsnotworking
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
#yournotworking
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Dec 15, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
According to Pikachu
It’s not the competition. Too different.
According to Rhinos; who cares I enjoy all the Jays news I can get.
why are you using hashtags outside of twitter?
You know they don’t work.
Why did you make me write this comment?
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
#do-wat-a-want
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
#EXTRALETTERS!!!1
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This isn't Twitter?
I must have made a wrong turn at nevermindwhatIdoit’snoneotyourdamnbusiness.com
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Dec 15, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
O_o
I searched that URL on Google, and the first thing that came up was a porn site…
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I don't like combparing Getting Blanked/DJF to BBB
it’s not the same kind of sites. GB/DJF is mostly about reporting news and journalism(ish?), BBB is mostly discussion
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
Are you saying that we don't do journalism?
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't exactly call them journalists either
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I think that's more Drew than Parkes though
Parkes doesn’t know much beyond the Jays, Rays and Giants.
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Getting Blanked does
Stoeten occasionally, but not as much.
we's the Blue Jay blog on SB..
we generally talk about the Jays
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by Tom Dakers on Dec 15, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to say the same
Woodman recently, Jessef and Hugo in the past and Tom daily write good posts/articles.
Looking good naked is one advantage for Yu over Prince
I certainly hope Prince isn’t doing any similar poses, at least.
I'm not gonna post anymore pics
But if you Google his Japanese name “ダルビッシュ有” you’ll see a bunch more
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Yu and me baby ain't nothing but mammals..
"I never argue with people who say that baseball is boring, because baseball is boring. And then, suddenly, it isn't. And that's what makes it great." - Joe Posnanski
Man the internet is stupid...
someone puts up a link post on CNNSI to the Post’s story and folks think CNN is reporting that Jay won. LEARN TO READ.
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It's not insane to think that Rogers would ask AA to bid on Darvish
Just with different intentions than AA and Sartori would have. Everyone knows Darvish is a solid pitcher, and Rogers knows that so they have no problem adding payroll to improve the team. But Darvish is also a a huge media figure in Japan. A major broadcasting company owning the rights to a Japanese superstar isn’t a bad marketing ploy. While the average superstar won’t change much, Darvish isn’t the average superstar. Look at Ichiro and how it has affected the Mariners. Ichiro is (or more was) a great player, but the financial benefits received from being able to advertise to a larger market because of one player was a huge bonus to the team.
If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.
Yes
Agree on the broad strokes, but we have no idea exactly how much the M’s have benefited financially
If it was huge
wouldn’t they be big bidders (along with Boston and NYY)?
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by JaysSaskatchewan on Dec 15, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Vancouver/Seattle area is a huge Asian market
lot more to potentially gain just because of the sheer amount. I’m not sure Boston or New York have that large of an Asian populous.
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Nyc most certainly does. Boston not as much.
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 15, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure I buy
that nobody knows anything outside of the commissioners office and Nippon Ham. I would put money on it that AA knows if they got him or not. Nobody who will leak anything knows, but I’m sure theres guys that know.
we must find out who knows and bribe them.
by leaflover4ever on Dec 15, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Ken Rosenthal just tweeted some teams that are in on Gio and didn’t mention the Jays. This could (probably does) mean nothing, but I’m reading into everything for the next 6831 minutes.
by leaflover4ever on Dec 15, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The Jays motto should be
If you hear it, then the opposite is true.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
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Tom used number of wins to judge a players success
and there hasn’t even been one comment on it!?!?!
Chickens.
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jump on him, BAN HIM lol
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well, it was easier than looking up his WAR...
but if you want, he had a 7.2 WAR his first two years….
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Easy for you to say when your a Mod :P
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Besides, why haven't you mentioned this before
Toms done it before, he’s appearing to all audiences. He included ERA after all.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Just find it funny
if it was in the comments there would be “Lol” and stuff attached to it =P
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 15, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
/faceplam I'm tired, too much of Yu
*appealing
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Hey Tom could always withhold our pay
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
No cheese doodles for you :(
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
That’s my only dietary source of orange food colouring
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 15, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
I want Yu more then Fielder
Darvish would also take pressure off Morrow and Cecil and I believe take our pitching to contention levels. This guy is a rock star in Japan for a reason…
and they would have to fight to keep there spot
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 15, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
it would push them further down the rotation. isn’t it less pressure matching up against the Red Sox and Yankees 4 and 5 guys rather then 2 and 3?
That wasn't at all obvious to me
And even if he did, we match up with the Yankees and Red Sox 36 times in the regular season, whereas even if you get the playoffs you don’t necessarily play them
Cecil probably wouldn't even start in the playoffs anyway
if we had Darvish and he’s good, it would presumably be Romero-Darvish-Morrow-Alvarez (if we needed a fourth). and really that’s a huge reach. we’re getting Darvish so that Brandon Morrow has a better chance of winning his playoff matchup?
If Rogers gets Yu
I’m flying home for the first game.
Very excited about this.
You dont get Yu.
Yu gets you
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