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by Tom Dakers on Dec 28, 2011 4:56 PM EST
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PrintI am enjoying the beautiful weather (and rum) of Jamaica. I'm away at the right time, there isn't much for Blue Jay news or rumors, unless you count some vague idea that the Jays might be after Matt Garza. With what teams have been getting for trading starting pitching, I doubt the Jays will be willing to give up enough to get him.
Baseball isn't the sport of choice here, soccer is clearly number 1, but I have had a couple of locals offer to buy my Jays' cap. It seems they are a favorite team with some here. I almost bought a shirt that said 'No Problem, Mon' above the old Jays logo in a shop here but decided against it. If it had the new logo, I'd have gone for it.
Anyway, figured I'd put up an open there for you to share what ever thoughts come to mind. Me? My only thought is to order another drink. Viking Crown has become my drink here in paradise. I'm not sure what is in it, but it is tasty. if nothing else, you can share what your drink of choice is, when you are somewhere warm. Me? I'm going to lay out by the pool.
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My thoughts? Offseason is fun!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/red-sox-acquire-andrew-bailey.html
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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This is the deal as a whole
To Boston:
CL Andrew Bailey
OF Ryan Sweeney
To Oakland:
OF: Josh Reddick
1B Miles Head (20 YO)
RHP Raul Alcantara (19 YO)
Alcantara has really good peripherals (fairly low K rate, but very low BB rate), and will possibly soon pitch in a pitcher friendly ballpark (though, a move to San Jose could change that). Head is interesting, but somewhat old for his level (last played in A+ as a 20 YO). I would probably prefer Reddick over Sweeney in the long run.
I think this trade, as a whole, is quite fair.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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is this a better package than, say...
Thames for Bailey?
Thames for Bailey wouldn't work for A's...
The Coliseum has too spacious of outfields. Thames has enough problems with a hitters park like Rogers Center. He would be lost in a huge outfield like Oakland has.
by Sean Coleman on Dec 29, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Boston maybe gets the nod for now
But I think the A’s will win this one long term. Curious, how is a 20 year old playing at A+ somewhat old for his level?
He was playing between A and A+ at that age. I guess he’s just right for his level.
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Looks the BoSox won, but depends on how Bailey's body holds up.
The last season he was healthy for the full season was 2009.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 28, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
First thought was the Red Sox won easily, but on second thought, both teams get value here. Red Sox get a Papelbon replacement who is controlled for 3 years (and probably about to get more expensive).
Oakland gets a cheap outfielder who likely wasn’t going to get much time in Boston, and a couple prospects.
maybe not schooled, but the a’s definitely lose that imo.
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
A's
were reportedly worried about Bailey’s elbow.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
lol is the A's playing a all rookie team
Bailey- Gone
Cahill- Gone
Gio- Gone
Willingham- Gone
Crisp- Gone?
Anderson- Injury?
Braden- injury?
Possible 1st overall pick for 2013
Toronto Sports Fan= Waiting, waiting, waiting.............then more waiting
oh yea forgot about that
they are moving in 2013 right?
Toronto Sports Fan= Waiting, waiting, waiting.............then more waiting
Weird
I always thought Justin was a guys’ name :)
by craig in calgary on Dec 28, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
anyone who thinks long island iced tea is a girl drink.
I dare you to go out and drink em all night..shot of rum, tequila, vodka, and gin in those bad boys..never again for this guy, blackout city.
by ABsteve on Dec 28, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you know a drink is strong
when you blackout for an entire year
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
by jessef on Dec 29, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree...
Woke up with a intoxication fine in my pocket, no wallet or cell phone to be found. Those things are killer
you can get hammered off smirinoff ice too
but that doesn’t make it right
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Dec 29, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think you should buy the shirt
Sounds like a conversation starter!
Got to be Pimms!
If you can find it…
Or tinto de verano (summer red wine) in Spain – red wine, soda water, lemon and ice. A bit like sangria, but not as sweet.
Scott Boras and Fielder's situation
I just wanted to see if you guys think Prince will get the 10 year/ 25 million Boras says his client will get, guaranteed. He stated that anything less was “delusional”.
I don’t know, but it seems to me that whenever the NYY, BOS, Angels and Phillies are out of the Fielder sweepstakes, I find it very hard to believe that Chicago, DC, Seattle or Baltimore, let alone the Blue Jays, will offer him what Boras is asking him as there’s not a single team driving up the price.
My prediction is he will get 6-7 guaranteed years; maybe with some options added to the end although Boras is not a fan of them. Wouldn’t surprise me if he added an opt-out clause to the contract after 3-5 years.
What do you guys think??
by Marcos Montenegro on Dec 28, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions
Even Boras won´t be able to pull 10 years of big money for Fielder...
But he´s still Boras so Fielder could end up with 7 years / 176 million
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Dec 28, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
listened to Mike Rizzo on XM this morning
sounded like the Nats were good with Laroche..I can see Baltimore offering what Boras wants, but I doubt that will matter..hmm.
I’m going to guess M’s or Rangers cave and give him 8 years/ 200.
Orioles still seemed burned by that Albert Belle deal years ago
Then snubbed by Teixeira couple years back. The guys they have given big money to last few years all seemed to not live up to expectations.
Bowden tweeted
that Jays and Cubs are still talking Garza. I’d be nervous if it wasn’t Bowden.
I don´t believe we´re in on Garza… what would you give up for 2 years of Garza knowing that we maybe will only compete in the second years…
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Dec 28, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Dunedin Brewery
Discovered this craft brewery during Blue Jay’s Spring Training 2010 less than a mile north of the stadium. See www.dunedinbrewery.com. They claim to be the oldest craft brewery in Florida. Favourite thirst quencher is the Apricot Peach Ale (5.6%) but lots more on tap and available in some locations in the Tampa Bay area.
indeed. finland’s goalie had a once-in-a-lifetime performance.
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
even if he was decent and not amazing
the states looked stale and could not sustain pressure. They might be screwed
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 28, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
it’s possible they lose in the quarters-they’ll either be playing sweden or russia if they lose on NYE
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
its possible they don't even make the quaters.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 28, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
oh wait nevermind
i thought only top 2 from each advance, but that doesn’t work
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 28, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
the czechs would have to beat them
either way looks like an easy bye to the semi’s for us!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 28, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Baseball isn’t the sport of choice here, soccer is clearly number 1, but I have had a couple of locals offer to buy my Jays’ cap. It seems they are a favorite team with some here.
I guess it’s because Toronto is where Devon White played his best seasons (and won two championships). The other Jamaican player is Chili Davis… he was with the Angels the longest but got his rings in Minnesota, and New York
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AA uses a palm pilot?
Is he trying to trade Candy Maldonado for Moises Alou?
Does he stream Saved by the Bell episodes on it?
Did he download the new New Kids on the Block song?
Can he purchase some new Acid Wash jeans with it?
by craig in calgary on Dec 28, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
very bad
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Dec 28, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Let’s just say old enough to have been alive when the Jays last won the World Series, but not old enough that it meant anything (though if I was a baseball fan, I would have old understand to understand what it meant)
Let's do a little fixing
“though if I was a baseball fan at the time, I would have been old understandenough to understand what it meant”
This sounds very much so like myself
Let me guess, a little too much Super Mario 3 in your younger days?
@VagabondBansal
It's probably not as bad
as me getting every one of these references.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
You're on fire today craig
Green fire
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 28, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda
got all 4, but none 100%.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Rumour has it that AA is planning to trade his old cell phone for an iPhone. More at 11!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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Rumour has it that AA is planing to trd his old cell phone for a Matt Garza. More at 11!
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Dec 28, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
....trade.....
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Dec 28, 2011 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
cubs1611 Chicago Cubs Rumors
According to Bruce Levine: #bluejays package for Matt Garza : Kyle Drabek, Anthony Gose,Jake Marisnick and Deck McGwire. #cubs
I loled
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
It's a nice dream, anyway
More realistic would be to pick one of the position players, one of the pitchers
Well
We’re talking a OF (maybe CF, possibly/probably RF) who finished low-A ball and a former top pitching prospect who had an absolute failure of a rookie season.
I’d say it’s the right neighbourhood, maybe a little light, but I could definitely live with it if that’s what it looked like.
Hes a Morrow type pitcher as far as FIP goes
by Mike Andrew on Dec 28, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
people are seriously overrating him because of his 2011. Not sure if he’ll keep up the same performance if he returns to the AL
His 2011 wRC+ is 26
I agree completely
Morrow has higher fWAR in his 2 years in the AL East than Garza does in his 3 year stint in the AL East.
2011 I take with a grain of salt, not even considering it. All I care about are those AL East numbers.
I think its better we sit out. I actually just added that guy on twitter just to message him and let him know the Jays would never offer that. 2 2011 top 100 prospects and probably 2 2012 top 100 prospects.
by Mike Andrew on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Good joke.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 28, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Having read the fellow SBN BleedCubbiesBlue site
Even they realize that getting one of (let alone two of) D’Arnaud, Lawrie, Gose and Nicolino/Syndergaard is going to be tough if not impossible.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 28, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry, do we get Wrigley Field with Garza in that deal?
by dexfarkin on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
In fairness to Levine
I think he implied those 4 guys would be guys the cubs would look at, and not require all 4 to get the deal done.
He'll still get to punch Yankees
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 28, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Couple scouting reports from Jay’s Journal:
http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/27/jays-journal-top-50-blue-jays-prospects-no-50-david-rollins/
http://jaysjournal.com/2011/12/28/jays-journal-top-50-jays-prospects-no-49-jesus-gonzalez/
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
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"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
I enjoy this series from Jays Journal
But, with respect, these are not scouting reports. They are nice, comprehensive summaries of information about the players, but scouting reports are focussed on pitching/swing mechanics, detailed pitch offerings or tools analysis, etc
Yea that’s what I meant. Kills time during the offseason. A lot of work put into them.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
ooo
good stuff. I will re-visit often. Thanks for the links.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Go Jays Go!
I can’t wait for spring.
by Chris McC on Dec 29, 2011 11:32 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I will miss his glorious twitter account. As he will not be able to comment on other clubs ans I assume he will have to tone it down.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
by Redonred on Dec 29, 2011 12:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And this is why I love sports.
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/12/29/2666855/clutch-relievers-wild-card-2011
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
by Redonred on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Anyone have a Baseball Prospectus account?
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15736
I don’t but it’s a breakdown of Lind’s batting ability.
The unlocked part of the article shows that he is significantly better against left handed starters than relievers.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
by Redonred on Dec 29, 2011 4:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Interesting, even just the partial article
Thanks for the link.
That split between the starters and relievers is interesting. I dont know if this is available, but I want to look into his splits and see it we can get batted ball data, because it seems like the difference is BABIP driven – 110 points of BABIP, 93 points of BA, 81 points of OBP and 109 points of SLG. So it is because hes getting a lot less line drives or something? Because if not, then it would seem to be some a function of unluckiness.
That said, the 686 OPS against lefty starters is still very poor for a 1B, and so my solution would remain platooning him and just not have him face lefties at all.
Anybody else think the Jays need to get a different AAA affiliate?
Las Vegas is too far from Toronto and it’s good to have your AAA near by in case you need to call somebody up on short notice. Think how nice it would be if we had an arrangement like Seattle/Tacoma? I’m sure Mike McCoy agrees with me here.
Also, just listening to WIlner/Blair on the FAN and they were talking about how it would be good to get Gose to AAA to see how he can hit, but then they said it wouldn’t really do any good because “anybody can hit in Las Vegas”. So by that logic the team/stadium are useless to the Jays when it comes to evaluating bats.
Yes
The player development contract is up after 2012 and the Jays will undoubtedly looking to switch back to the International League. Buffalo (Mets affiliate) is up too and the rumour has been theyll try to join them. If not, then you could always look to try and move a team back to Ottawa and have them be the Triple AAA affiliate.
plus, when the crowds start to increase, you can maybe get some extra revenue from people wanting to see the next generation of jays
by Justin Azevedo on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
If the Jays had a different AAA affiliate
then the Mike McCoy map would’ve been much less interesting
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by Minor Leaguer on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Vegas is too far away, but not Seattle/Tacoma?
Lost me with that one. Plus Vegas is building a new state of the art sports complex where the 51’s would play.
If they made a AAA affiliate in Toronto
I’d buy season tickets. I bet a lot of people would, they might have more fans than their Major League counterpart due to lower cost etc.
I wonder why they made it so complex and made the affiliates hundreds of miles away from their respective clubs.
by Mike Andrew on Dec 30, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly it’s because the teams in the leagues are clustered geographically to keep transportation costs down (buses, not flying).
The Leafs have their highest affiliate in Toronto, and they don’t do very well, from what I understand. Ot at least struggled in the past. Same reason the Argos don’t do well – it’s not the hot ticket, it’s why minor league baseball does better in smaller cities. Remember, you go to a baseball game for the baseball, for a lot of casual fans, it’s more the experience. Same with the minor leagues
Buffalo would have been ideal.
But those people (being nice here) chose not to have our AAA team.
According to Heyman, the Jays are in on Jair Jurrgens
Please no… again.
When he’s healthy he’s pretty good, but when is he healthy?
Also, Syndergaard was the centerpiece that the A’s wanted for Gio. I suspect that pretty much ended the conversation right there.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions
From mlbtrade rumors
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
As long as Atlanta is overvaluing Jerrjens (wanting a Greinke-like return) nothing’s going to happen.
The one thing I know about Atlanta pitchers (MLB or prospect)
Is generally if the Braves want to trade one, they usually aren’t any good outside of Jason Schmidt and a couple of others I don’t remember
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Dec 29, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of their pitchers seem nice
I think we check up on what some of the price tags are :)
by Mike Andrew on Dec 29, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
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