Quick Recap - Jays lose to Phillies 13-7
This one was an old fashion slugfest, both teams scored early but the Phillies kept the pressure up as they scored in 6 different innings including 5 in the 8th that put them ahead for good. Pictures from the game are up from the AP, click on the picture to the right to see others from the game.
The game was on MLB Radio only so I am not sure how many got to listen, but here are some of the highlights from the boxscore.
Hitters
- Rajai Davis - 3-4, 2B, HR, R, 2 RBI, Hitting .343/.395/.714 on the Spring, Power won't hold up but maybe he can prove me wrong and be an everyday CF for us
- Anthony Gose - 1-2, R, 3B, 2 RBI - Showed off the speed again with a Triple.
- Jose Bautista 0-2, 2BB, R. No hits but still a factor with the walks. Gotta love it
- Adam Lind - 2-3, R - Hitting .346 through 10 Spring games
- Travis Snider - 2-3, 2RBI, Continues his strong start to the Spring. Hitting .478/.500/.565 (7 games)
- Juan Rivera - 2-4
- J.P. Arencibia - 0-3, Continues to slump, batting below .100
Pitchers
- Jesse Litsch - 3.1IP 9H, 5R, 4ER, BB, 4K - Not a good start at all, definitely did not help his chances at the rotation. 4.50 ERA, 1.42 WHIP, 10Ks 3BB in 12 Innings so far this Spring
- Jason Frasor - 1 IP, 2H, HR 1ER
- Jon Rauch - 1 IP, K - Looks to be a front-runner for the closer job if Francisco can't get healthy quick
- Shawn Camp - 1 IP, K
- Wil Ledezma - 0.1 IP - 3H, 2BB, 5ER, K
- Winston Abreu - 1IP - 3H, BB, 2ER, K
- Mike Hinckley and Ross Buckwalter combined for the other 1.1 Innings which were clean.
Tomorrow the Jays face off against the Pirates at 1:05 Eastern. The game will not be broadcasted on the radio or TV in any form so it looks like we are stuck with Gameday for this one.
Did you listen to the game? Anything stand out that deserves a nod that didn't show up in the boxscore? Sound off in the comments below!
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When to panic about J.P. Arencibia
I think coming into spring training the biggest concern about Arencibia was about how well he would call a game. I still believe that calling the game is the biggest concern about him, but sooner of later the question of offensive production at the big league level will come into play. Considering he has really only had one good game since being called up last fall and including this spring.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Mar 15, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
he's had barely 100 PAs in the Majors and this Spring, hasn't he?
the guy OPSed almost 1000 last year and hit 32 homers.
also… game calling doesn’t exist
Umm
Agree with the batting stuff. Need to give JPA time.
But yes game calling does exist. How doesn’t it?
well, if we're going to get into this discussion again
statistics have never been able to demonstrate that certain catchers’ “game-calling” abilities have a real difference on pitchers’ abilities. analysts have used pitcher’s ERA as a proxy, and any catcher with a sufficient number of innings to be statistically significant (also presumably meaning they’re good at something, maybe game-calling) has not been able to reduce pitchers’ ERA when they catch. again, it’s possible that this pitcher ERA is not a good proxy for game-calling (meaning we need new metrics), but it seems to me that if it’s a real skill, it should be measured in pitchers’ ERA.
but, butbutbut
CERA!!!!!!
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
A pitcher shaking off pitches, missing his spot, the defense shifting, park factors and luck all contribute to the outcome of any given game.
Heck, a groundball to shortstop with a runner on first versus a groundball to shortstop with no runners on can result in two very different outcomes, but we’d conclude that a pitcher “keeping the ball on the ground” is a good thing. Yet what do we say about the catcher whose stats are hurt when that groundball to the left is a single because the shortstop was playing up the middle for double play depth?
cERA is a non-reproduceable skill.
Agreed
In the 4 years he’s had in the minors between A and AAA, he’s had about 1750 PA. In those plate appearances he’s hit .275/.319/.507 with 96 BB, 290 RBI’s, 83 HR, and 121 2B. Also with defense IMO he’ll be better at throwing out runners and blocking balls the Buck was last h\year. He’ll be fine, don’t worry.
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
He might have proven himself against pitchers n the minors, but he hasn’t shown much in the majors either last september or this spring in terms of offensive production.
In terms of catchers calling a game, the Javy Lopez and Greg Maddux combination come to mind when they were with the Braves. Lopez was a great offensive catcher and Maddux will be in the hall of fame one day, but the two just couldn’t make it work together. You knew that when Maddux was on the mound either O’Brien, Perex, et al would be on the mound.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Mar 15, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get why people are panicking
We’re we expecting him to be Buster Posey or something? He’s gonna be a slightly below league average hitter.
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops
were we, not we’re we
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
his MLEs from last year
gave him around a .750 OPS IIRC which would be around league average or a little better. with an off-season of work he could be a solidly above-average offensive catcher
The trick will be if he can stay ahead of our other catchers in the system
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he'll be above average offensively as a catcher
which could still be below league average. Just sayin
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis - why won`t his power hold up
Haven`t they changed his swing to make him less of a slap hitter?
I`m expecting 54 lead-off homeruns this year.
(I`m only kinda kidding.)
I think it's reasonable to expect
a increase this year to something like 10-15
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
When to Panic about Snider?
IsoP only 0.087
IsoOBP only 0.022
Are you kiding???
did you even look at his slash line. .478/.500/.565 is pretty damn respectable.
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
that's not his point
he has pretty much only hit singles thus far.
that said, don’t start panicking till the regular season, please.
not really my point too
my point = it`s spring training
I'd take .300 and 10 HR from Sinder over .250 and 30 HR every day
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
since .250 is vertualy his career average lets give him the same obp - .305
and give him .355 for .300 with 10HR
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
a .355 OBA is excellent
I wish I could calculate the wOBA for each but wOBA is based on run environments too. I’m inclined to say the .355 OBA version is better than the .305 one though
a really simple estimation of wOBA is
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno what happened there
was gonna say: (2OBP+SLG)/3
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
so if we assume
the .300 version posts a .400 SLG and the .250 version posts a .550 SLG
wOBA of .300 = .370 wOBA of .250 = .387
slightly better for the .250 30HR Snider
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But but but….. Chicks dig the long ball…..
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yeah
the guy who hits more dingerz has a higher wOBA. didn’t i say that?
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hm, I read it as something different…. must have been blinded by the thought of more Long Balls.
LONG BALLS!
DINGERS!
HOME RUNS!
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I think someone messed up his anatomy lessons…it’s not exactly the long ball, Johnny ;)
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by leafsfan4life94 on Mar 16, 2011 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
For SLG
Lets say he has 550 AB, presume he hits no triples and 2B stay the same for both
.300 = 165 hits – 10 HR, 35 2B,120 1B, SLG = .418
.250 = 138 hits – 30 HR, 35 2B, 73 1B, SLG = .478
If you want to do an drop off for 2B (3:1) here is his SLG
.300 = 165 hit – 10 HR, 12 2B, 143 1B, SLG = .376
.250 = SLG = .478
.300 for the first 1, wOBA = .376
the second = .362
.250 for the first 1, wOBA = .363 (.300 wins for this one)
the second = .363 (.250 wins by .001, so lets call it a tie)
I’d say that I’d prefer .300, 10 HR and .355 OBP
If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else
I'll be honest, these figures seem awfully high
a .370 wOBA is VERY good. Jason Heyward wRC+’d 134 (134!!!) and only wOBA’d .376 (~.395 OBA, ~.450 SLG) – and that’s as a corner OF. I don’t think this estimation works
I think he's kidding???
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by YunelTheLazyLatino on Mar 15, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The struggles of Arencibia to date make me thankful we have a wealth of catching prospects. Not trying to saying we should be worried, just stating that I’m thankful for insurance.
Also, if I could chuck a question at Tom: one of the offseason questions was the transition of Adam Lind to first base. How does he look over there?
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by leafsfan4life94 on Mar 16, 2011 2:14 AM EDT reply actions
Ill let Tom answer for himself when he sees this (I doubt he is checking BBB every hour since he is in Dunedin),
But from everything we have read and heard via radio he has looked perfectly fine including digging balls out of the dirt and diving left or right to make a play on a hard hit grounder. I haven’t heard a single reason yet as to why he wouldn’t be able to handle it on an everyday basis. Edwin too for that matter.
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lind didn't have anything close to a tough play yesterday
But he looked comfortable around the bag. Did catch a pop up in shallow right, backing up on it well. There was a popup the ended up just in the front row of the stands that I thought he gave up on too soon but turned out he was right. I would have liked him to have followed it over.
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