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Around SBN: NFL Owners Vote to Change Trade Deadline

Jayson Nix Activated, David Cooper Back to Vegas.

This was on Sportsnet Connected, I haven't seen it anywhere else yet. Normally I'd wait until we get word from the Jays but since they Sportsnet and the Jays are owned by the same folks, I'll believe them. 

This means that if Adam Lind can't go tomorrow Edwin would be the first baseman. I'd imagine they wouldn't have made the change if Lind wasn't ready to go.

David Cooper hit just .121/.244/.242 in 33 at bats with the Jays. I didn't think he looked over matched, but then he wasn't getting any results. Course, can't tell anything from 33 at bats.

Jayson Nix was hitting .244/.370/.422 in his 42 at bats before hitting the DL. I'd imagine he'll be back playing third, EE will go back to DH and Rivera will go back to the bench, but I'm not manager so you never know. I'm hoping we aren't looking to Nix to play third for the rest of the year. He's had enough major league at bats to show he isn't a full time player. 

How much longer until we see Brett Lawrie?

It does surprise me that we are going to stick with the 8 man bullpen. I really can't see Farrell bring Dotel into any game that hasn't been decided long before. So how long before we cut bait with him? I know he is making more money, but we got rid of David Purcey, and Purcey had, at least, a little bit of potential. 

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I wonder if there is any value in Dotel, even a B or C pitching or middle infield prospect would be nice to get back

If you can't pay em' trade em' and pay for someone else

by jaysfan100 on May 15, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilner also confirmed this during JaysTalk.

by snaptoit on May 15, 2011 6:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Cooper will be back, Nix will hold the fort

I agree, I like Nix better as a utility/back up guy, but he may still surprise some with some decent numbers, and while he is no Johnny Mac with the glove he does make all the expected plays and has some pop and is a good baserunner. As long as we never have to see E5 at 3rd while he is here, he is valuable.

I liked a bit of what I saw with Cooper both defensively and at the plate – he may make a decent 1B a year from now – think he needs to build his confidence a while longer in Vegas

by Mess76 on May 15, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I see Nix as a placeholder for Lawrie at this point. I think, unless he goes off the rails, if Lawrie continues as he has been, the Jays have to call him up. If he ends out May like this, there’s nothing else he’ll learn from MiLB pitching and his glove is no shakier than Nix or Encarnacion.

by dexfarkin on May 15, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

let's keep it going

not complaining about the sweep, that’s for sure, but it was the twins. jays beat who had to, now I would really like them to handle the Tigers. if they can sweep them, then hopefully they are out of their doldrums.

you know, jays are near the leaders for runs scored with this cobbled lineup. wondering what would happen if they got a regular rotation going, and when / IF Hill EVER starts hitting again. no homers yet – yuck. same goes for EE, who also has no homers. that was supposed to be 40 – 50 homers projected for us between the two of them. hope they get it going!

by Gerry71 on May 15, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

But you need to beat those teams.

Remember last year when we were getting closer to contention mid summer and then lost 4 straight against Cleveland? That series killed our year.

by Arakasi on May 15, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

good teams hammer bad ones. it was a good weekend.

by ayjackson on May 15, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

In response to needing to beat "bad teams" more than "good teams"

"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman

by Jeremiah Stanghini on May 15, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

Keith Law tweeted that he expects Lawire to get his debut “within the month”.

by ayjackson on May 15, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

o rly?!

Can you please ask keith law for some lottery number recommendations?

by BrownMagician on May 15, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Ask him about how Bautista was a bad signing and how they could have waited til this winter to sign him. (for 150 million most likely!)

by Arakasi on May 15, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

its hilarious in hindsight

but jose could’ve easily reverted back to pre-2010. We’re lucky that he’s continued to mash

Choose me, Ash!

by Pikachu on May 15, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it luck?

Or does AA and his staff know something about talent evaluation?

by IanJ on May 16, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It was a reasonable contract

Jose didn’t even need to hit that well to perform up to it. He just needed to do something like 260/340/25 and it would have been fine. Of course since he’s doing 370/520/60 atm that is a nice upgrade.

by Arakasi on May 16, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

They know something about character evaluation

by siggian on May 16, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

obviously they do

but if the Jays brass is so good at talent evaluation, they wouldn’t be making mistakes, either. of course there is some degree of luck, and it would be nice if the Jays were just the best talent evaluators out there, but it’s not like we’re grabbing AAAA players and turning them into generational talents every day

by benk on May 16, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, I know

and AA has, to my decidedly amateur eye, done a pretty excellent job thus far as GM. but it’s not like his front office is so far and away better at talent evaluation that they’re creating MVPs out of thin air. certainly there is at least some amount of luck involved in the Creating of Jose Bautista. I can’t see it being even a remote possibility that the Jays brought in Dwayne Murphy because the front office was like “hey, Dwayne loves working with good eye, run-of-the-mill pop for a corner outfielder guys!” – Cito liked Murphy and he happened to be here when Bautista decided to set the world on fire. there’s really a lot of luck involved, as wonderful as the evaluation was

by benk on May 16, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but not really on point

The original argument is that AA got lucky that Bautista has continued to mash after signing the new contract rather then regress as a lot of people thought would happen. From that perspective, I would say that it was less about luck and more about evaluating what they had, recognizing him to be the real deal.

I don’t think anyone is saying the transformation of Bautista into one of the best hitters in baseball did not have a large element of luck.

by Playoffs!!!!1 on May 16, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does anybody know where our bullpen ranks ...

… in the majors?

I can look at the individual numbers, but I can’t find a place that shows bullpen ERA’s.

The Jays relievers (with the exception of Octavio ’Don’t Ask Dotel’) have been absolutely amazing this year, as they’ve needed to be with our starters not pitching too deep into games very often.

by Defense Counts! on May 15, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd

last time i read/saw that came up a few days ago. dunno if we moved up or down since

by 7-9nomore on May 15, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/128

For future reference, just go to the team pitching stats on espn.com, and set the splits to “As Reliever”.

Jose Bautista has a higher midi-chlorian count than you do.

by Jays11 on May 16, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking to the right at the FANGRAPHS logo

Click on it, then Teams,Pitchers,Relievers. Click on ERA and it will sort.

by JayTeam on May 16, 2011 1:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

The Padres bp must be unhittable.

by Defense Counts! on May 16, 2011 5:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t wait for a September of

Escobar- SS
Snider- LF
Bautista- RF
Lind- 1B
Hill- 2B
JPA – C
Lawrie- 3B
Thames- DH
Davis- CF

by WizardofNaz on May 16, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Also I wonder if the team has thought about teaching Thames some 1B. That way he can DH but also fill in for Lind now and again as well as play some OF when needed. It would give Farrell some more defensive options.

by WizardofNaz on May 16, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Snider still hits only groundballs in september, I’m not really looking forward to seeing him struggle like that. Looking forward to Lawrie+Thames though.

by Woodman663 on May 16, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming that Snider is not so fucked up that he won’t be able to figure this out in the next 3 months.

by WizardofNaz on May 16, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, of course, I’m hoping that too. But at the moment, it’s not looking pretty.

by Woodman663 on May 16, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope not pretty at all, but remember 3 months is 80+ games which is ~350PA. If that isn’t enough its time to start thinking maybe he won’t ever get it back.

by WizardofNaz on May 16, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s not forget :

Romero,
Morrow,
Drabek,
Cecil,
Stweart

by BrownMagician on May 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nix or Lawrie

I believe the “when” for Lawrie will have a lot to do with how Nix does: If he can keep that April hitting line and give OK defense, we’ll see Lawrie in September. If he can’t, I think we’ll suffer until the All-Star break or so and then see what the kid has, as long as he keeps tearing up AAA. I don’t think the Jays would say we have another everyday 3B on the team other than Nix right now.

by Steve02 on May 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Nix will (or should) have any impact on Lawrie's progression

If the Jays feel Lawrie is ready to come up, I suspect Nix will be moved to the bench, no matter how he plays. If Nix is so bad that he is a lost cause but Lawrie is not ready, EE and PMoD will take some of his time in the field.

by Playoffs!!!!1 on May 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its all his defense

Nix can more then handle the 3rdbase responsibilities all year, provided he stays healthy. Nix is not great at third, and Lawrie is even worse then him, so the Jays really don’t suffer from letting him stay and learn his position before calling him up.

In AAA Lawrie will be tearing up the pitching, especially with all those hitters parks. But if we call him up and he can’t cut it defensively theres no way Farrel runs him out there everyday when he has Nix on the bench who can actually field his position.

I still think its pretty indicative of how Farrel sees Lawrie when in spring training he said Lawrie will become an outfielder where a guy with as much agressive energy as him can do as little damage as possible by not being able to do “to much” and learn to play within himself.

by Brando159 on May 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

About Nix

Nix has collected .7 fWAR this year. That’s half his career total. He’s played really well for the Jays but I’m thinking he got hot and then injured before he had a chance to cool down. I think he’s closer to the 85 wRC+ he had with the Rockies than the 138 wRC+ he currently has for the Jays.

I can’t say the Lawrie is even worse than Nix because I haven’t seen him. What I do know is that after a rash of errors very early in the season, Lawrie has stopped making them. When Lawrie comes up, Farrell will play him. If he makes too many errors, he’ll go back down again. But I don’t think that will happen. I think that when Lawrie comes up, he stays for good.

by siggian on May 16, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Historically, Nix is Encarnacion level in terms of defense at 3B. He’ useful because he can play multiple positions, but he is not a great defender at any of them. So it’s not as if the bar is exceptionally high for the hot corner in Toronto.

by dexfarkin on May 16, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

he’s quite a bit worse

by benk on May 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lawrie should be up right now, he knows all he needs to about the Minors.

Dotel was a TERRIBLE signing, he’s ALWAYS been a terrible pitcher, why they thought he would suddenly change to a big winner is beyond me. If ANYONE would take him, he’d be a good player to dump, they don’t need anything in return. He and Reyes make the staff worse just by being there. They say winning is contagious, I think losing is a disease, and if you keep losers around too long, everyone is bound to catch it eventually…

by Gn2 on May 16, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

this is an amazingly awful comment

Octavio Dotel’s career ERA+ is 120 (an ERA of 3.79). his career K/9 is over 12, with a K:BB ratio of 2.6.

by benk on May 16, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He could be very useful if used sparingly.

When you want a guy who can get big Ks (against righties), you can’t do much better.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on May 16, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

he’s also been a plus reliever for a decade

by benk on May 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a bit of an exaggeration, my friend.

by Woodman663 on May 16, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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