Jo-Jo Reyes Wins!!!
by Tom Dakers on May 30, 2011 11:21 PM EDT
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PrintYou have to feel good for Jo-Jo Reyes. He had such a big smile after that last out. His first major league win since June 13, 2008. That was a nice way to win it too, a complete game. He allow just 1 run, 8 hits, 4 walks, 4 strikeouts and that massive home run that Shelly Duncan hit into the 5th deck. It is a good thing that, no matter how far the ball goes, it only counts as one run. Jo-Jo was helped out by some good defense. They turned 3 double plays behind him and there were some nice catches in the outfield.
Course, if the Jays had scored 11 runs for him in some of the other games, he would have had the win earlier. This team, whose offense had been missing in action for most of the month, has scored 33 runs in the last 3 games. Today, 13 hits. 3 for Rajai Davis. 2 each for Yunel Escobar, Jose Bautista, J.P. Arencibia, Eric Thames and Jayson Nix. Nix hit his 3rd home run of the year. Nice to see him getting some hits. Our other 3 starters, Aaron Hill, Juan Rivera and Corey Patterson, had 0 fors. But Patterson had 2 RBIs even without a hit.
Jays of the Day are Davis (.163 WPA), Reyes (.125, of course he's getting a JoD) and Nix (.116). No one has suckage numbers.
That gives us 4 wins in a row and a 28-26 record, putting us 2 games out of first place. If we keep this close over the next couple of months, do you think we are buyers at the trade deadline?
Tomorrow's starters are Brandon Morrow (2-2, 4.38) for the good guys and Mitch Talbot (1-1, 5.87) for the Native Americans.
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Grienke would be swell!!!
Should be able to get him without giving up Drabek, Snider, D’Anaund or Stewart. Morrow needs to get back to his ace from last year as well.
by Baseball North on May 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we could've had him in the offseason if we were gonna be sellers
$25M for a year and a half of Zack Greinke is not worth what it would take to pry him from a first-place ballclub
What would it take then?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on May 30, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Bautista
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on May 30, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Donkey
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
We’ll stay up all night, swappin’ manly stories, and in the morning: I’m makin’ WAFFLES!
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on May 31, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If the Jays are confident with Yunel as the longterm SS
Hech, Carlos Perez, Deck, and Aaron Sanchez could be a start. Might have to sub in D’Anaund for Perez if the Jays wanna include lesser arms. When Philly acquired Lee (with 2 years left) they didn’t give up any of their A level prospect (Brown, Drabek, Taylor).
by Baseball North on May 31, 2011 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no, I have no stats to back this up
but there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE the Brewers would give up their best pitcher whose prime coincides with their desired playoff window perfectly for: a no-hit, all-glove completely unproven shortstop, a young, pretty good but not superlative catching prospect, a first-year pro starter with a no.2 ceiling (or so they say, I’m far from an expert on prospects) and a high school arm. there is simply no chance that happens. Greinke will pretty easily put up 10 WAR over the remainder of his contract. you’re either GREATLY overestimating the value of high-risk, sorta-high-potential draft picks or DRASTICALLY underestimating how good Zack Greinke is
While I agree with most of what you said...
there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE the Brewers would give up their best pitcher
Brewers’ best pitcher is that Marcum guy… ;-p
and, as for:
DRASTICALLY underestimating how good Zack Greinke is
The Brewers can keep ZG. It might be just me, but I think he’s overated.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Highly likely greinke pitches better than marcum ROS
Choose me, Ash!
by Pikachu on May 31, 2011 8:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it is highly likely. But, 1) in terms of ROI – Marcum is WAY better, and 2) you never know with Greinke – he might get depressed again (The 70’s show notwithstanding, I hear that Wisconsin is a depressing place to live in…), AND I just like Marcum better…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
well, Marcum has been better
and I also like him, but looking at career numbers Marcum is quite a bit better. in either case, both are very important pieces to the Brewers’ playoff hopes and I really can’t see a trade going through, let alone one for middling prospects
This trade will probably never happen, if only for the fact that AA never did a trade that anybody else talked about…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Marcum was on the DL most of this time.
But yes, Greinke has the better numbers.
And still… I’d take Marcum over him ATM
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Overrated
He has one great season (2009) under his belt, and two “pretty good” seasons. If you’re gonna be paying “ace” prices on the trade market, you need a more proven track record in my humblest of opinions. His numbers of 2008/2010 are no better than what we could get from Drabek, Morrow, Romero or a number of our young guys, except he strikes out more guys.
Plus he’s a head case!
Greinke's a headcase?
I thought this was BBB, not PSA
Choose me, Ash!
by Pikachu on May 31, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
man
each of the last three he’s been worth at least 4.9 WAR including his one ridiculous 9.4 WAR year. his worst year – 4.9 WAR – is almost a full win better than any Jays pitcher last year. so, no, that’s not at all correct. he’s one of the best in the game. also, Drabek is a 5 win pitcher now? last I checked he’s been worth 0.1 wins. wow-ee.
Honest Question: ("Honest" as in "I honestly don't know")
Is it true that Greinke didn’t want to come to Toronto? Or was it an over-reaction by the Toronto media?
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
This will be a game that...
we will look back at at the end of the year. Hard to imagine this won’t be one of the memorable games of the season that gets listed in the ‘best of’ for 2011. Everyone and their grandma was begging to see JoJo get a win — especially after the last few weeks where he’s strung together some worthy starts.
by HabsFanInCalgary! on May 30, 2011 11:26 PM EDT reply actions
Nope don't be deadline day buyers
Lets see what we can do with this crew and make a proper run 2012-13
I don't think we should be buyers this year either
but “make a proper run”? all teamsa in contention acquire pieces for the home stretch. it’s not cheating to acquire players through trades or free agency
Agreed
Let’s not mess with the plan.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on May 31, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I said largely the opposite of that
I think we shouldn’t be buyers during the season unless we make a big push, but we pretty much need to acquire a piece or two to really contend next year (DH, maybe 2B)
Wooohooo! I'm so happy for Jo-Jo! And the offense!
Let’s beat our season best 6 game winning streak! Keep this train rollin’!
(and despite so many things going well today the majority of people calling in to Wilner’s Jays Talk were asking about Lawrie)
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
Brett Lawrie was the 2nd most searched player at Rotoworld
Behind only Buster Posey.
http://rotoworld.com/sports/mlb/baseball/
Yeah, he’s becoming quite popular right now.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Sad I missed this game
I would be against the team being buyers. I’d rather save for the future.
DYNASTY!!1
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I’m worried that with the way Patterson is batting, Thames looking decent, Moises Sierra and Gose scorching it in the minors, Lind coming back and forcing Rivera either into the field or DH, that Snider might be getting pushed out of the picture. I believe it was Tom who described Snider as having become a “ground ball machine” in the minors. He was supposed to be a major power hitter. I know he is young and it is far too early to write off, but he seems to be falling out the picture when people talk about the Jays’s future
seriously?
on a celebration thread. seriously?
Choose me, Ash!
by Pikachu on May 30, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's start the GIF party!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Somewhat Jays related
GO JAYS GO!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on May 31, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like.
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on May 31, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
well let's give him a season
if he really can’t do anything for the whole year at AAA (highly unlikely, if you ax me which you didn’t) then we can start worrying about him come Spring Training
really?
worried about patterson? have you not been watching him this year especially the last couple games?
I'm worried that this weekend will prompt Farrell to play him everyday
Choose me, Ash!
by Pikachu on May 31, 2011 10:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m worried that him playing like this will actually give him trade value, and a team will want to pick him up in July, and we can turn a stopgap LF -who we can replace with Thames/Snider (hell even Loewen if we want) for Aug/Sept – into an actual asset that will help the club moving forward.
by WizardofNaz on May 31, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm "worried" about that too... ;-)
Did anyone say Alex Gonzales?
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
I despise Mondays. I hate them with passion.
Monday nights aren’t too bad though, and this one better than most. Way to be, Jo-Jo!
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on May 30, 2011 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
Very happy for Jo-Jo!
Team is rolling right now
Jose Bautista has a higher midi-chlorian count than you do.
People suggesting we buy at the deadline are very silly
Remember at this point last year when we were 1st in the division?… how did that work out again?
Its a long season, we arent making the playoffs barring a miracle.
Onions Baby Onions
the thinking is that we have had so many problems and still are managing to stay close.
I’m not saying we should buy, but I’d be lying if i said I’m not getting a little excited that we can be in the race this year, when we were supposed to win only what, 70 games?
by bowling_kid25 on May 31, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I loathe these arguments
The ones that say “We may be winning now, but we’re probably not going to, so why even try.”
That said, we would have to be “smart” buyers. Jose Reyes would be a great example if we could get him to sign semi-long term.
The only way we can get Reyes at a reasonable price is if we get JP Richardi to hypnotize the Mets GM and convince him that Hill will bounce back to Allstar form on another team.
by WizardofNaz on May 31, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricciardi does not hypnotize people. He just lies to them.
So much easier…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
I think there are varying degrees of buying at the deadline
I would say picking up Yunel Escobar at the deadline last year was buying at the deadline (we did get the best player in the deal after all!). Or a move like the pickup of Rajai Davis in the off-season (improved ML club at a loss of a couple minor league pitchers). These are a couple examples of the types of moves we might be able to make at the deadline to help now, without the need to sacrifice the future, and I more then welcome them if they can get us a couple more wins this year no matter where we end up at the end.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on May 31, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Buy Walmart Style!
I don’t think now is the time to mortgage the future by overpaying, but if the right deal comes across where you can pick up a good bat or a decent arm for a low cost, those are the deals AA should be looking at
Try to fit "Mortgage the future" and "Rogers" in the same sentence...
Wait. What? It fits EASILY in the same sentence if I’m attaching my phone-bill to it!!!
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
I couldn't be happier for Jo-Jo
I love his attitude. This could be the start of something great.
His WHIP is high, but that seems to be mostly due to a high BABIP which should come down. I see him as a middle-to-back-of-the-rotation guy with a roughly 4.00 ERA.
Great pick-up; great trade.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on May 31, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions
his FIP is 4.1
but he’s benefitting from luck on fly balls – his xFIP is 4.6, and even that is hardly awful for a 4th or 5th starter. if he can eat innings at the back of the rotation he’s a good addition
If the price is right
than they should buy. If a pending free agent who projects to become a type A or B becomes available and all it costs is a low ceiling projected prospect and money, than they should go ahead and do it. Yeah it will take some playing time away from others but AA is still trying to rebuild the system and the more draft picks he gets the easier it is for him to do it. That said if someone wants to ante up some high level prospects for depth, than he should sell, and after last year the other gms should know that AA isn’t bluffing with his asking price for bullpen arms.
As in, get picks when the players you traded for become FAs
However, not really a solid strategy anymore as the FA compensation thing seems like it will be history after the new CBA
Onions Baby Onions
Exactly… and trading prospects for basically picks seems like a lateral move no?
by WizardofNaz on May 31, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
You're not going to
trade top prospects, for a pending type A/B free agent. You’re going to trade a guy like Brad Mills or someone lesser who we really have no use for. You’ll have pay the remaining salary of the guy you’re acquiring and get a top 40ish pick. (Without checking out projected rankings or 2012 free agents) I’m thinking a guy like Carlos Beltran, owed a ton of money, it probably wouldn’t take much for the Mets to move him to get out from the salary. The extreme example would be Fielder, it’d take quite abit to get him and probably wouldn’t be worth it in the end, though with him you’d likely get a 15th-30th 1st rounder (not for sure but likely) and the first supplemental pick, (essentially 2 first rounders).
Its very likely that with CBA ending in December the get rid of the draft compensation, but you would think they’d have to grandfather it out.
well if we traded for Fielder, which we won't since the Brewers are good
we’d want to re-sign him anyway (I hope) so we wouldn’t get the 2 picks
Well you never know
The Cards are playing awfully good and could run away with the division, so the Brews could be in a battle for the wild card. I can’t see them moving him, and if they do the price tag will probably be high, because if they do hold onto him, and the compensation system stays the same, they’d likely get the 2 picks, so whatever package would have to be greater than that possibility, unless the unload him for some major league ready talent.
All I’m trying to say is that there are situations out there where the Jays should become buyers, is there many? probably not. But if they are smart about it I have no issues with them going out and buying.
But the other thing in there with the CBA expiring in December, at what point do you start to worry about the 2012 season?
I doubt there will be a lockout, if that's what you're implying
there’s no way baseball will risk it.
Can't agree with you
On MLB being willing to risk a lockout.
Never underestimate the power of greed to overrule logic.
I think that
there is so many hot topics, (slotting/draft compensation/trading picks/salary cap) that it is a possiblity. Other leagues have had recent labor disputes, I can’t see baseball not having issues getting a deal done, to what extent I’m not sure.
Is EE hurt again?
Why would Farrell give him the day off the day after he breaks out like that?
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
you forgot to use the sarcasm font
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Not at all
Sunday’s performance was impressive, especially considering he can’t plant his foot without pain.
Onehanding HRs into the upper deck without planting your foot is impressive.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
he did have 3 hits in that game
so I get what Jevant is saying. but he also is indeed not that good at baseball
I refuse to admit that he is a worse DH than Molina
And probably Rivera, and definitively McCoy, Nix or J-Mac. Which means he should be playing every day at least while Lind is out.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
he doesn’t seem to be a better 1B than Rivera.
We were all over EE being a bargain as a DH and back-up 1B. Well, as he’s not much of back-up 1B, and we’re stuck with Rivera (who looks mor comfortable at 1B, I’d say that uptil Lind’s back, we’re looking at Rivera playing everyday. Not EE.
As for DHing – he can share that with Thames.
And, let me tell you, (comparatively) I’m a fan of EE…
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
It wasn't that long ago that people were pegging EE to hit 30 or so HRs going into the season.
Yes he’s had a bad start but so have a lot of players this year. Dan Uggla? Hanley Ramirez? Adam Dunn? Just to name a few. Offense is down all around baseball, and if he can still get 20 or so HRs that is not bad in today’s pitcher-slanted game. No one every mistook EE for an all star but he can still be a decent contributor as a DH.
by transmogrifier on May 31, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
My belief is that Farrell isn’t interested in seeing EE in the field, at least not for a while. That means either Patterson, Thames, or EE has to sit, and Thames already sat out the game before.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on May 31, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it.
So many fans are ready to let this team drift into non-contention this year with the grand idea of being much better positioned for contention in 2012 or 2013. It’s not that I don’t see the long term possibilities and the potential looks good for those seasons. But why is this season such an automatic write off for so many people? If the team is in unexpected position to compete (in the minds of many it seems) by the deadline why not go for it as long as it doesn’t involve selling key assets on the farm? Are we planning to use Brad Mills anytime soon? Not likely. There are others like him that don’t fit the plan but could help other teams.
Think of it this way. Do people really expect the Yankees and Red Sox, and maybe even the Rays to be this vulnerable in future seasons? Even the Orioles are making some headway in improving, although they have some ways to go. Point is they all have some major holes this season, as I tried to point out before the season, and there may not be a better chance to make a move than now.
The other teams in the AL are all vulnerable too, no one stands out as a clear dominant team. So why not the Jays now? Some like the the A’s and Mariners are showing clear signs of improving for future seasons so it may get tougher outside of the AL East as well as within the division in future. As it stands the Jays, despite their injuries and struggles at times, have the second best offense in the AL as other AL East teams face the tough AL West pitching the Jays already met… and the funny thing is, as fans we know we haven’t even seen the best of them yet, the last few games are an indication of what they can be. Bring up a guy like Lawrie and get Lind back into the lineup and things can get even better.
The pitching is starting to come around too. The starters are settling into a groove and the bullpen has been excellent all season. The closer situation is the only uncertain spot at the moment. The pieces are all there for contention, with one or two tweaks this team could be in great shape for the first playoff appearance in many years. Am I the only one who sees this?
So if the team stays in contention – here’s hoping interleague play doesn’t kill the Jays again this year – I say go for it. There may never be a better opportunity than now.
BTW the Jays get an A- grade from ESPN of all people for their performance up to May.
Only the Yankees got an A- as well, everyone else was graded B+ or less. They must be doing well if ESPN is recognizing them!
http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/_/id/11703/grading-the-al-teams-through-may
by transmogrifier on May 31, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Farrell just told Wilner that a stat that gives the clearest picture of how a pitcher is actually performing is WHIP
*vomits
Choose me, Ash!
Could be worse.
He could have said wins. WHIP isn’t an awful stat as stats go.
whip is okay if you have a big enough sample size
but nigh useless over the short term
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
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