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Minor League Recap: Pitching prospects also have bad days.

Could not find a picture of Gose, so this Goose will have to do.  (Photo by Richard Heathcote/Getty Images)



Las Vegas (lost 4-3):

Brett Lawrie: 1-for-4, home run. .338/.377/.585

Travis Snider: 1-for-4, 2 strikeouts. .467/.568/.567

Chris Woodward: 2-for-4, home run. .346/.386/.580

Jonathan Diaz: 1-for-4, double. .283/.424/.413

New Hampshire (lost 8-1):

Zach Stewart: 5 IP, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO, 40.9% GBs. Stock has dropped significantly in my opinion.

Adeiny Hechavarria: 1-for-5. .216/.226/.324, no matter how good the glove is, if he hits like this he's not a future Blue Jay.

Anthony Gose: 1-for-3, triple, walk, 2 strikeouts. .238/.316/.314, still young and improving.

Michael McDade: 1-for-3, walk. .346/.387/.510, what's with those walks, Mike?

Jack Murphy: 1-for-2, 2 walks. .167/.375/.167 in just 8 plate appearances.

Star-divide

Dunedin (lost 4-0):

Asher Wojciechowski: 5 IP, 4 ER, 2 BB, 3 SO, 72.2% GBs.

A.J. Jimenez didn't play, the other position players were "not good" with their bats. Let's leave it at that.

Lansing (won 7-6):

Drew Hutchison: 3 IP, 4 ER, 2 BB, 3 SO, 50% GBs. Also hit a batter.

Jonathan Jones: 0-for-2, 3 walks, strikeout. .245/.393/.306, the kind of OBP you want from your leadoff man.

Carlos Perez: 3-for-5, double. .298/.362/.404, has yet to homer this season.

Jake Marisnick: 1-for-4, walk. .327/.418/.529, he is the full package, but for now fueled by a .390 BABIP.

Lance Durham: 2-for-4, strikeout. .239/.429/.333, but already 23.

Marcus Knecht: 2-for-3, double, walk. .290/.380/.464, stopping his little cold streak?

Michael Crouse: 0-for-2, walk, hit by pitch, strikeout. .229/.337/.506, a "three true outcomes" slashline.

Poll
Are happy Lansing won?
No, the no-hitter still hurts too much.
34 votes
No, I don't care about minor league victories.
32 votes
No, because all the other teams lost.
7 votes
Yes, I'm happy not all our teams lost.
25 votes
Yes, they're an exciting group, those Lugnuts.
45 votes

143 votes | Poll has closed

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Stewart just hasn’t been good. He’s old for AA ball and yet not striking out many, and his groundball numbers are somewhat decent but unimpressive. His peripherals last year were nothing to write home about either.

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna say as well...

I don’t have reliable ground ball numbers, but Stewart’s peripheral numbers are a mixed bag this season.

His strikeout rate is significantly down, but he’s also improved his walk rate, which I think is a great trade-off for a starting pitcher. He’s also lowered his HR rate, which is probably the very hardest statistic to stabalize, and is almost meaningless in the minors unless it’s extremely high or extremely low. The whole point of having a xFIP and FIP is because HR rates are the single most likely statistic to regress to league average (as far as I understand). While that doesn’t mean a flyball pitcher wont continue to give up a bunch of home runs, it does assure us that a 6 start sample size for Zach this season is almost statistically irrelavent to count that as a positive yet.

All of this is in an extremely small sample size, but his IP/start has went up from less than 5.1 innings/start to just a shade under 6 (including this start). If he can see even a marginal improvement, to say 6.2 IP/GS then he’ll be setting himself up nicely to be able to pitch into the 7th as a rookie in the big leagues next season.

Considering the small sample size, I’d say it’s more likely Zach is improving his control and pound the strikezone more. This will cause him to give up a few more hits until he can find a balance and locate his out pitches. All things considered, I think it’s for the best that Zach’s control is improving, because his stuff is good and will always be there.

Not including yesterday’s game, FIP tends to agree that Zach is pitching significantly better this season, over half a run better. As a soon-to-be 25 y/o, I think he really needs to be in AAA for us to draw any more conclusions.

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

His peripherals last season were pretty unimpressive already.

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't be so quick to write him off based on his peripherals

look at Ricky Romero’s 2007 and 2008

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by jessef on May 8, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that Woodman663 is “writing off” Stewart. I think he’s just expressing some doubts, and I personally find that refreshing. I mean, we’re all fans, but I like to see optimism tempered with realism, especially when it comes to prospects.

by DavidLondon on May 8, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks David. I don’t mean to write Stewart off, but from a top 3 or top 5 prospect coming into the season, who is old for the level he’s pitching at, some good numbers should be expected. Since they aren’t there, Stewart now seems less likely to be the good starting pitcher we hoped he would be.

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

he started slow last season, too

I’m taking a wait-and-see approach for now.

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on May 8, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

isn’t that all we can do as fans though? ;)

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for Hech...

His bat is worrisome, but it’s only his second season here. I think he’s just turned 22 if my memory serves me. We all want to see our young guys who get all the attention bust into the big leagues at 23, but if it takes Hech until he’s 24-25 that’s not a big deal. We have Yunel blocking him anyway, so 2-3 more seasons of minor ball wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. If he’s hitting that way at this time next season I think we should be very worried.

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Worst case scenerio:

He isn’t Yunel’s heir, he’s Johnny Mac’s heir :P

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

no, I think the worst case scenario is he is so bad with the stick he doesn’t make it to the bigs at all.

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would have to be pretty bad

Mac and Chris woodward aren’t exactly big bats, but they have their uses. Someone with great range, hands, and is a natural SS, that can pinch run and/or lay down a bunt will always have a place as the last man on the bench imo. It wouldn’t be the ideal outcome since we’ve invested so much already, but you gotta assume he’ll develope power, patience, or at least be able to hit for a moderate average over the next few years.

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Prospects have to improve

Don’t forget: in order to be successful at the next level, prospects have to improve by about 25%. Most don’t. The fact that Hech can only manage a .550 OPS at AA implies that he may not even make AAA, let alone the majors. If so, this is disappointing, but not at all surprising. As I said, most prospects never make it. OTOH, I am pleasantly surprised that Gose seems to be making a bit of progress. He still has a long way to go, but maybe…

by DavidLondon on May 8, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Red Sox

…have brought up Iglesias for today’s game.
He is FAR away with the bat.

by Summer02 on May 8, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

first year at AA

Hech, age 21: .273 / .305 / .360
Mac, age 23: .230 / .293 / .284

you really think he won’t even be able to hit as much as Mac? Seriously?

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by jessef on May 8, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worst case scenario, he won’t. He’ll need to improve (like Mac obviously did), and while we all hope he will, it isn’t certain he will.

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure, isn't that the worst-case scenario for every player

though?

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by jessef on May 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

AA has indicated Stewart is in AA to improve his mechanics

So hopefully we’ll see an improvement later in the season to get the call-up.

by B-R_O-C on May 8, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

btw Woodman

Thanks so much for your daily recaps of the minor leagues. I follow them almost every day on the play-by-play (for the low minors) and gameday for the AAA games, but when I do miss them your recaps highlight everything I’m interested in knowing. Truly, a great job!

I do have a suggestion, instead of having a game-by-game GO , might not a cumulative GO be more informative? Game-by-game is subject to wild fluctuations, and what we’re really after is how often the pitchers can keep the ball on the ground over the course of a season. I totally understand if that info isn’t available or is too hard to obtain, but I thought I’d throw it out there for you to chew on :)

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ll throw in some seasonal groundball numbers here and there. But did you know that groundball numbers actually stabilize earlier than strikeout and walk numbers for pitchers?

If you want to look up seasonal groundball numbers yourself go to www.statcorner.com, which is a really good site for minor league batted ball types.

And thanks for the compliments. :)

by Woodman663 on May 8, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll def check out that site

Minor league numbers are hard to come by, I haven’t found very good resources to date, so hopefully that site helps.

I did know that GB/FB numbers stabalize earlier than BB/SO numbers, but I’m not sure why. I assumed it’s because they’re more pitcher dependant numbers, and every batted ball contributes to the info with batter skill being less relevant. If that’s not right, let me know, I’ve also found stabalizing points for statistics interesting.

On a totally unrelated note, my percent signs don’t appear to be showing up in my posts, how can I get them to display? :P

by Sivvi on May 8, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

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