Bad Night: Jays Lose to Indians
by Tom Dakers on Jun 1, 2011 10:49 PM EDT
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Indians 13 Blue Jays 7
The quick recap: that sucked.
I was going to quit at that, but then the Jays scored 9 to get back into the game. Points of interest:
- We had back-to-back-to-back triples by Eric Thames, Rajai Davis and Jayson Nix. The last time that was done was May 6, 1981 by the Expos, when Mike Gates, Tim Raines and Tim Wallach did it. The Expos also gave up 13 runs that day to take the loss.
- Davis also had his first home run of the year and drove in 4 on the day.
- Thames had 3 hits. Jose Bautista drove in 2 in the 9th. Mike McCoy had a hit and a walk in relief of Yunel Escobar. Edwin Encarnacion had a hit and 2 walks in relief of Aaron Hill.
- Kyle Drabek started the game badly. 2 doubles to start the game, a strikeout, 2 walks, another double, ground out and another walk and he was done for the day.
- You'd think that that terrible first inning would be our worst of the night. Shawn Camp had a nightmare 3rd. 6 hits, including a homer and a double and a walk. Jason Frasor came in and watched Davis and Escobar drop easy fly balls. Well, Yunel dropped his, Rajai totally missed his. Both were easy catches. By the time the dust cleared, the Indians had scored 8 in the inning, to get to a 12-0 lead. The game was pretty much over.
No Jays of the Day. Suckage awards go to Drabek (-.320 WPA) and Camp (-.090, but I figure if you give up 7 runs you earn the award).
The Jays get an off-day to lick their wounds, then off to Baltimore for 3. Unfortunately, with the bruised wrist, it doesn't look like Brett Lawrie will be joining us there. He is 'day to day' in Vegas. Farrell said that they'd have him play a couple of games for Vegas, to make sure all is well, before calling him up. So likely sometime next week.
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was there
first 3 were stunningly awful, but I said after the third “okay, let’s win the next 6 innings” and we made a game out of it. not a terrible game to watch, really
Kyle Drabek Haiku
Young guy can’t throw strikes
Good luck in Las Vegas Kyle
Straighten up your cap
by craig in calgary on Jun 1, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
definitely not a pretty game but we are still withing 4 gms of division
luckily there is an off day or else the bullpen will be gas out. Kyle looks like he might need some time in the Minors, other then a few starts, he straight up can’t command his fastball, that not going to work in the ML though i dont know if he should go the LV or NH.
btw i think the score is incorrect
Brad Mills?
I know he has the “been there done that” stigma, is a soft tosser, but he’s putting up some decent numbers in Vegas. 2.97 ERA, 21.4 K%, 6.1 BB%,
The 13 runs against was horrible.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
I can’t disagree…but, what did that get us in the end, exactly? Simply a case of too little too late.
"You, sir, are addressing a man, who is in fact quiet... and yet, not quiet, if I may offer to you a riddle."
I would say a 13-9 game is more fun to watch then a 13-0 one
So what it got me was enjoyment, which is a good thing.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jun 2, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you quantify fun in sabermetrics?
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on Jun 2, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
FAR, obviously
Fun Above Replacement game
by benk on Jun 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yuck. Drabek has a 55% strike ratio this season (league average is 63%).
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/1/2202093/kyle-drabek-blue-jays-stats
From B-R:
Cliff Lee leads the league with 70%, former Jays Roy Halladay and Ted Lilly sit at 69% along with Seattle wunderkind Michael Pineda. Drabek is sitting at the bottom of the league with Casey Coleman. Just a bit better than them, Francisco Lirano and Kyle Davies weigh in at 56%.
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
Except, you know, the no-hitter
by craig in calgary on Jun 2, 2011 12:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
except, you know
the 6 walks, only 2 strikeouts and (IIRC) the second-lowest Game Score ever for a no-hitter (his xFIP for the game was like 5.6 or something)
Which team did Liriano face that game?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Is there such thing?
Baseball stat guru’s are funny.
by craig in calgary on Jun 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm hardly a guru
but I can tell you that pitchers who walk 2 guys every 3 innings and only strike out one every 4.5 are hardly likely to be successful
Halladay had a 10.64 ERA when he was 23
That age doesn’t seem to be too friendly with Jays pitchers
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
See you in Dunedin, Kyle!
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on Jun 2, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Canucks win! Canucks win! Canu --
(looks around furtively) Oh, wait a moment … am I in the wrong place again …?
Wonder if Yunel was mad he got pulled
I think i heard them say he was on a 12 game hit streak, I know they “aren’t supposed” to care about that stuff, I know if it was me I’d be a little angry.
Yeah it was an awful game, but I’m impressed we managed to score 9 runs (not 7 like in the post !!!)
I'm hoping he got pulled for being an arrogant arse on that popup
Not that he’ll learn from his mistakes of course but I’d like to see a Joe Maddon approach taken on things like that. Take it seriously or take a seat.
Did he look/act arrogantly on that missed popup?
I missed the game
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on Jun 2, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Get Davis OUT of center field !!!
The Jays are dumping wins by leaving that huge liability in center. He can’t get to balls that the old millstone Vern used to get to without even trying.
Try Patterson in center at least, there’s just too much thinking in center for Davis to succeed. He’s a Johnny Mac clone, he LOOKS like he’s really hustling out there, really trying hard, but he NEVER makes the play. Its because he doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing, so he’s always trying to recover from a huge gaffe that he LOOKS like he’s really hustling out there. Last night was terrible, three balls in a row to center, all make-able plays, all totally screwed up by him. The second ball hit to center, he didn’t even START to move till it had left the infield ! Drabek could have easily gotten out of the first if my Mom had been playing center instead of that dummy Davis.
Dump Davis from center and you’ll see the defense improve IMMENSELY.
Obviously
You missed the games earlier this year in which Patterson “played” in CF in which he butchered the routes. Patterson has the wheels to play CF no doubt, but he really doesn’t have the instincts to do it.
Davis made a fantastic catch two days ago in CF so you can’t say he never makes the play. Chalk yesterday down to a bad day, which everybody has from time to time.
his career UZR is 0 which would make him an average CF
his numbers this year don’t look good but it teaks a season for UZR to get it right
I can’t believe he said Johnny Mac doesn’t know what he’s doing
by bowling_kid25 on Jun 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Patterson nor Davis are as good as Wells was
I think it’s easy to forget just how good of a center fielder he really was for the Jays all those years
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on Jun 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis is not a good CF
Not as bad as you make him out to be, but his instincts are poor, even though he often makes up for it with his speed. However, as siggian pointed out, Patterson is even worse. We have Davis for this year and next, and by then hopefully Anthony Gose will sieze the job.
does anyone ever notice
when an outfielder gets a good jump on a ball, besides when the announcers say so? if you want to see bad jumps, you’ll notice them all the time. Davis is almost a perfectly average player which actually makes him a pretty good centre fielder
Doesn’t average make you pretty OK rather than pretty good?
I don't steal when Jose Bautista is at bat.
by Minor Leaguer on Jun 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
well no
because he’s an average defender at a premium position, which are not easy to find. he’s also an average offensive player, of which there aren’t many at premium positions. all told, he’s probably a 2-2.5 win player which is hardly a slouch
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