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Minor League Analysis: Travis Snider

Yesterday saw our Minor Leaguers win two games and lose the other two, not counting our Dominican Summer teenagers, who are so far off from meaningful pro ball that I don't have them in my minor league recaps. The last few days have been highlighted by good pitching performances from Brett Cecil, Drew Hutchison, Deck McGuire, and yesterday Sean Nolin added to that list with a 6 inning scoreless outing, striking out seven while walking one. He retired the last 13 batters he faced and didn't even allow anyone to reach second base. Henderson Alvarez pitched and got lots of groundballs for 7 innings of 2-run ball, but he didn't strike anyone out. Brad Mills struck out six in seven innings, but gave up four runs. Our best hitting prospects had a tough day at the plate for the most part. But not Travis Snider, aka Moonraker, aka Trevor.

Travis Snider, ladies and gentlemen, might not be in Vegas for too much longer if he keeps hitting the ball hard like he has lately. Proof: in 13 June games, Trevor has hit .412/.474/.686. Further proof: he has struck out just five times in June, which is 8.8% of his plate appearances. Behold the history of Moonraker's strikeout tendencies (per PA, not per AB):

Team (year) Strikeout%
Lansing (2007) 25.0%
New Hampshire (2008) 27.4%
Las Vegas (2009) 23.0%
Toronto (2009) 28.3%
Toronto (2010) 24.8%
Toronto (2011) 23.2%
Las Vegas (2011) 15.2%


(more after the jump)

Star-divide

Travis has always had a bit of a problem with strikeouts, although he did always play at a level unusually high for someone his age, and the K-rate did seem to be trending downwards a bit. But now in Vegas he has started to avoid the strikeout like he never has before. True, it did seem to result in more weak contact (he's also setting a career high in groundball percentage) rather than in an actual improvement of his hitting ability early on, but recently it looks like he has turned a corner. But I do need to say this: small. sample. size. The Jays are monitoring Snider's ability to make hard contact more than they're looking at the actual results, so we don't know how pleased they are. But whether you're looking at stats or at balls flying off Moonraker's bat, one has to acknowledge that it's easy for a hitter in the Pacific Coast League to have a stretch where you face several lesser pitches in hitter friendly environments. So I don't expect the Jays to call up Snider very quickly even if he's had great success over a span of 13 games.

Fastball problem?

There's been discussion about Snider's problems for a long time, especially back when he was still with the big club. It focused especially on which pitches Snider couldn't hit, with some arguing he couldn't hit the high fastball, and some arguing he couldn't hit curveballs. So I went to the Pitch F/x data on Texas Leaguers to find out if there's a pitch that can get Snider out very easily.

Pitch (year) Whiff% InPlay% LD% (vsR)
FF (2011) 4.4 16.8 7.1
CB (2011) 25.9 8.2 20.0
SL (2011) 16.7 14.3 20.0
CH (2011) 18.4 24.5 11.1
FF (2010) 13.1 14.9 23.6
CB (2010) 15.7 13.0 22.2
SL (2010) 15.1 17.8 26.3
CH (2010) 16.3 22.1 28.2

 

Unfortunately the sample is small, but what the data does seem to indicate is that Travis actually might have had the most trouble squaring up the fastball and changeup during his brief 2011 major league season. He did also whiff a lot on curveballs, but considering the sample size and his performance against them in 2010 it's possible he simply fell victim to a few good curveball pitchers who made nice pitches. But I will argue that the curveball is the pitch that Travis struggles most with: he hit about 65% of the curveballs he hit in 2010 on the ground, and did not homer a single time on a curveball. It's also the pitch he put into play the least in both 2011 and 2010. But he's not Pedro Cerrano I think.

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Woodman: fabulous analysis, keep it up!

If I may make an aside: one of the great bugaboos of the stats analysis is sample size. Some marvelous tools for player evaluatuon have been invented, But their accuracy requires a reasonable number of events. As a result, whenever a decision is made on a small sample size, the statheads object, saying that it is not warranted. The most obvious was Snider being sent down earlier this year. A recent one was when someone suggested the Jays might make a decision about Stewart’s future, an objection was “not after 3 months!”. Well, the fact is that teams have to make decisions based on small sample size. In Snider’s case, I think the correctness of his demotion to Vegas is incontrovertible. If he had been left with the Jays for the entire year, it would have been a disaster from which he may never have recovered. Anyway, the relation to your analysis, Woodman, is that I’m pleased that some new tools have been developed based on individual pitches, whether for hitters or for pitchers. Since there are very many more pitches in a game than AB’s, the problem of sample size is greatly reduced. So now we have some statistical tools which can be reasonably applied to make short-term decisions about players. And this is great — I hope that your approach to the present-day player evaluation, even though it’s more work, becomes the norm.

by DavidLondon on Jun 16, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I completely agree!

Using the results from pitches that are not the deciding one in the at bat is a good way to increase the sample size.

by Woodman663 on Jun 16, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This I liked

From a poster DaveB from Batters Box:

Snider was given an extra day off about a week ago, before a scheduled day off. Since then he is 17-for-29, with six 2B, a 3B and a HR. He’s driving the ball hard to LF and CF, which I would take as a better sign than a few more HRs from a lot of balls arced to right through the thin air. His single last night was off the LF wall; he was thrown out at 2B on a close play. He made a great diving catch in CF that had the play-by-play guy calling him Travis Griffey.

by Summer02 on Jun 16, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Hehe

Snider’s gonna be a fine LF defensively I think, but CF is a real stretch, imo. Great diving catches can be fun, but it’s very possible that someone with more range wouldn’t have had to dive for it.

As for him hitting the ball hard to LF & CF, that’s great to see. I really like Snider and I hope he comes back hitting like we know he can.

by Woodman663 on Jun 16, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too

that said, he’s actually got plus range for a CFer, and his arm is passable. he could pretty easily be 3-5 runs above average in a corner spot (presumably LF), and maybe more

by benk on Jun 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh, idiot

he’s actually got plus range for a LFer

by benk on Jun 16, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s obviously best in LF because he has only an average arm and not a plus arm like some of our prospects. However he has the range to play RF. Also he takes good enough routes and has decent enough range that he can play passable defense in CF as a spot start or if we PH for the CF or injury.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Woodman

Not suggesting for a second that Snider will play CF.
I love that there are positive reports coming on his performance.
He has been a favorite of mine for some time, and I have been very protective
of him during this little ‘off’ time for him…

by Summer02 on Jun 16, 2011 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha I know

I just think AAA pitchers can’t be too happy with a LF playing CF behind them. It’s not easy pitching in the PCL without their fielders playing at the wrong positions.

by Woodman663 on Jun 16, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snider can play CF in a pinch and not be awful. He can make a spot start in case of injury or what not so its good in that way. Just like how CoPa kinda sucks at CF too but doesn’t ruin games out there.

by WizardofNaz on Jun 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Over in the Batter's Box

Anders had this to say:

His slash line is now up to a respectable .330/.400/.478, in 200 PA. His performance has improved recently, but there are still warning signs – he has 19 doubles and only 2 home runs, he is hitting close to .400 on balls in play, and his isolated power is about the worst it’s been in any stint other than the 2011 MLB campaign.

I think the stats are encouraging, but I think the .400 BABIP indicates that some of the improvement might just be assisted by some luck.

by siggian on Jun 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

that said

19 doubles likely means he’s hitting lots of liners, and the bandbox that is the PCL would lend itself to high BABIPs

by benk on Jun 17, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not worried about the BABIP stuff

although i do wonder where his power has gone. lots of doubles is nice, but hes supposed to be a 30+ homer guy… I know he has that power in him, so hopefully in the next few weeks he will hit a few dingers and be back with the big club.

Onions Baby Onions

by ohmybosh on Jun 17, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Line drive power is there. I prefer him hitting line drives all the time as it would lead to more hits and less popouts. I think one of his issues was trying to get the ball in the air for homeruns and popping out a lot

by WizardofNaz on Jun 17, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

High BABIP can be good

One of the ways you can have it is by hitting a lot of line drives, which are the least likely type of hit to get caught. It is an encouraging sign because Aaron Hill has shown us last year how badly pop-ups can mess with BABIP.

The signs are good. The BABIP is just a caution that some of the improvement might not be sustainable in the long term.

by siggian on Jun 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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