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It's Worse - Jays fall 5-4 and blown another 9th inning save in the process

Well at least this one was closer... that's something right? 

It was noted during the broadcast and in the game thread that the Jays were a ridiculous 19/36 in saves vs opportunities. This is nuts no wonder no lead ever seems safe with this team. We team has tried multiple options in the ninth inning and nothing ever seems to work. Tonight Farrell tried to use Marc Rzepcyznski and after a walk and error he left the game with 2 runners on without getting an out. Jon Rauch proceeded to come into the game and allow the two runners to score although it is kind of hard to blame him completely, first batter is a sac bunt to move the runners up, second batter is a suicide squeeze done perfectly, 4th batter they IBB Josh Hamilton and finally a double to Michael Young over a spinning Corey Patterson in RF. Yes it was a hard hit ball but what the heck was Corey Patterson doing in the field on that play? Come on man, if you can't hit you at least have to play some defense, you are supposed to be better in the corners then in CF but everything has just left you at this point. Honestly, I am not sure if he could have got to that even if he played it proper but with the path he took he gave himself no chance at all.

The game wasn't completely without some bright spots. The Jays in general played some good defense tonight. Edwin made a couple of really nice plays, Snider made a beauty of a diving catch to save a run and J.P. Arencibia made an amazing heads up decision on the suicide squeeze in the ninth to at least get an out. There was obviously also some bad, J.P. is still having major troubles throwing out base stealers and the aforementioned Patterson looked lost a defense replacement in RF on that one play in the ninth.

On offense, the Jays got most of their runs in the 6th inning. J.P hit a HR to kick start the rally and the Jays went on to score 3 in the inning. Both Escobar and Thames had 2 hits each on the evening, Escobar scored a run while Thames scored twice and knocked in one. Jose Bautista had a broken bat hit that scored a run, he also walked and struck out twice. Lind, Hill, Davis and Arencibia each had one hit apiece with Arencibia hitting the HR as mentioned above. 

Carlos Villaneuva was again solid for us. Wasn't spectacular but got the job done. Going 5.2 innings while letting 3ER cross the plate, he did give up plently of hits as the Rangers really made him work, he threw 30+ pitches in the first inning alone. Octavio Dotel came in to finish out the 6th and threw a great change to get a K, Frasor threw a clean 7th and 8th giving up only 1 hit and 2Ks. And of course the ninth is when things went to pot.

Jays of the Day: Jason Frasor .257, Eric Thames .175 and I am giving one to J.P for the HR to spark the rally as well as the heads up play in the ninth.

Suckage: Marc Rzepczynski -.319, Jon Rauch -.471 although as mentioned its hard to lay all the blame on him for this one. Travis Snider came close with a -.092

Another night game tomorrow night since we are in Texas.

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I just want to apologize to Craig and others for the comment I made. I was feeling a little nasty after the loss, but that was uncalled for.

by leaflover4ever on Jul 23, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

/hugs leaflover4ever

I didn’t handle it very well either. It gets frustrating after losses. Sorry for being a prick. These losses will make the 2013 world series that much sweeter.

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by craig in calgary on Jul 24, 2011 12:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gregor Chisholm thwips
Reporter to Patterson after the game: “In your opinion, was that a catchable ball?” Patterson: “No.” #BlueJays
Patterson: “He just hit it over my head, hit right above my head, one hopped the wall, that’s what happened.” #BlueJays

@BBBMinorLeaguer

by Minor Leaguer on Jul 23, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

With the way he ran, nope definately not catchable.

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by JohnnyG on Jul 23, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

we DFA'd Jo-Jo

i see no reason to stop there. I hear AA’s not done this week, so I hope to see fodders on our team gone, ex. Dotel (though he’s been better of late, might hold on until the deadline), Corey

Choose me, Ash!

by Pikachu on Jul 23, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

DOn't DFA Dotel

I don’t even mind him on the team, but he is a trade candidate.

Patterson, yeah whatever.

Bring up Lawrie and Litsch.

by Rhinos on Jul 23, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are so many pitchers in the BP doing worse than Dotel

I’m not sure why you picked Dotel. Camp, Frank, and Rauch (though, despite last night, Rauch has been decent of late) have all been worse. Unless you simply mean he is one of the more tradeable players on the team and is replaceable from within the organization, which I completely agree with.

Plus, if Dotel is not moved by the deadline there is ~0% chance AA dumps him and loses the type B pick.

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jul 24, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes

He won’t turn 39 til after the 2012 season is done, someone gave him one at age 37 (AA), can’t see why 38 will be a problem if he finishes this year out like he is.

by brett w on Jul 24, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

absolutely

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes definately, he is still a very good reliever.

And has terrific splits against rightys.

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad BB by Rzep

He got up 0-2 and looked good doing than lost. 4 straight balls of which only 1 didn’t bounce at the plate. I get that he wanted him to chase, but you need to throw something that looks somewhat hittable.

by brett w on Jul 24, 2011 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

the point was

he wasn’t close to throwing anything that Napoli would think to offer at.

by brett w on Jul 24, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that one was closer than i thought

looks like it was only 2-3 inches low, but 2 of the other balls bounced before the plate and the other one crossed at about 4 inches. Napoli is no Vlad.

by brett w on Jul 24, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats Buck.

If It was Tabler it’d be like this.

You have to be big and strong to be biiiig and strrrrrronnng

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rutsey, is that you?

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by HESS2479 on Jul 24, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very disappointing game

lol the team tried so many combination closing the game but none work for more than like a week

by noname3 on Jul 24, 2011 12:47 AM EDT reply actions  

oh yea i forgot to say, i blame Rob Flauds for the lost

2nd consecutive game he is in studio and we lost 2 in a row with both being so ugly.

by noname3 on Jul 24, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Missed tonights game

I’m glad. So are my pillows and wall who would’ve been punched

by jays182 on Jul 24, 2011 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

This is getting rediculous

Brian Wilson, where art though.

Jays bullpen has also blown seven of their past nine opportunities this month and the club has lost six games when leading after 8

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by craig in calgary on Jul 24, 2011 1:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Coming into this year

I was pretty confident about our bullpen … it looked solid, if unspectacular. Hopefully we can get it right next year …

by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jul 24, 2011 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our starters havent exactly been stellar either.

One of thoise things I guess. I really thought this team would pitch themselves to wins most nights.

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by JohnnyG on Jul 24, 2011 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how people thought pitching was going to be our strength and hitting our weakness. Now it’s the complete opposite.
Now I’d rather see AA get a SP than a bat.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We've got plenty of good pitching prospects though

Stewart (been very good lately!), Alvarez, McGuire, Molina, Hutchison

with Nicolino, Syndergaard, Sanchez a few years behind them as wells as (hopefully) Beede & co from the massive 2011 draft.

by Woodman663 on Jul 24, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys are so far off. Just look at Drabek. You’re ‘expected time to reach the majors’ can be way off.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 9:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Huh?

I’m just saying, having pitchers in the minors that aren’t going to be pitching here anytime soon isn’t a reason for AA not to sign/trade for a good SP.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah it is

maybe not a good reason, but it’s certainly a fair one

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

I’m just saying, having pitchers in the minors that aren’t going to be pitching here anytime soon isn’t a good reason for AA not to sign/trade for a good SP.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

you just copied and pasted your last comment?

let me put it this way – it wouldn’t make sense to trade lots of assets for a third baseman, would it? no, since we have Lawrie coming up. it’s slightly different, except they’ll be here in a couple seasons as opposed to a couple weeks (days?). we’re giving up assets to bolster something which is supposedly a strength, which doesn’t make sense

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha no

I added good.

But your right, waiting for prospects to come up is a fair reason.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about a run at Sabbathia if he opts out in the summer?

If we’re really serious about competing in 1-3 years time? Why not overpay for proven talent? If they would like to be spending 140 mill a year, there has to be some overpayment in there.

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Jul 24, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

so to reach our budget goal

we should overpay to get there easier…?

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're so far under that target.. Why not add a proven piece?

I know he’s entrenched in NY and would never come but we haven’t made a successful FA splash since… Clemens…? I think we all have a bad taste in our mouths from countless poor decisions in the last decade, but why wouldn’t you overpay at least a bit for a proven ace that would anchor the rotation through its competitive years? We’d ideally like it to have been Roy when he was giving us his services under market value but most players aren’t that generous.

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Jul 24, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sabathia's also 31 (and hey, same birthday as me!)

do you want to lock up a guy who doesn’t look like he’ll age well (obviously that’s subjective) through his mid-late-30s? it’s far from certain he’ll still be an anchor in 2 or 3 seasons – even acknowledging that it’s very tough or impossible to obtain a young ace in free agency

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought the same

we would have a lot of 1-run games, but didn’t have the bats to pull out the win.
and we what? lead the majors in comeback wins, and lead in blown leads?

good thing im not a betting man

by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis Snider

needs to be platooned? Some real trouble hitting the baseball lately.

On the other hand, Thames is still raking!

by Woodman663 on Jul 24, 2011 5:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I suppose its all in how you look at lately. He is 0 for his last 8 but before that was the 2 hit 5RBI game.

He is still hitting 317 since his return with 20 hits (9 doubles and 2 HRs in there).

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by JohnnyG on Jul 24, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm not giving up on him

But he’s hit for a .145 wOBA in 39 PA versus lefties this year. SSS of course, but he hit badly versus lefties last year too, though with a .371 BABIP he produced a somewhat acceptable .305 wOBA. His true talent versus lefties at the moment is probably more between .260-.280, so we’d be better off with Davis in the outfield versus lefties. Of course, only relevant until Lawrie comes up and Bautista is shifted back to the outfield.

by Woodman663 on Jul 24, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way his true talent vs. lefties is .260-.280

that would mean his true talent vs. righties is only like .300. splits take a really long time to stabilize. snider’s been worse than the league average platoon split so far in his career, but it’s only been like 700 PA, whereas you need like 3000 PA before splits stabilize for lefties (and more like 6000 PA for righties). so really we should be projecting him with around the league average 10% split, so if you think he’s around a .340 wOBA vs. righties, then he’s around a .310 vs. lefties

by Jono411 on Jul 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd think .340 vs righties is a little low, no?

or am I just a homer?

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Jul 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe a bit. but keep in mind the league average is now like .320 (vs. around .335 two years ago). projection systems had him around .340 coming into the season (which is probably .350 vs. righties, .320 vs. lefties), so a projection right now is going to probably be a little bit less given that snider’s hit poorly this year and that the league average has dropped from last year.

by Jono411 on Jul 24, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that was lame, had a storm go through my city, didn’t get to watch the game, and the power didn’t come back on until 6 in the morning..

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we made it through 8 innings without a gif

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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I probably could’ve done that also, I’ve really made big strides in slowing down on those.

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think Lind’s foot was on the bag. All of this could have been avoided.

by Nadia on Jul 24, 2011 9:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought so too.

That is made irrelevant by the idiot ballet dance in the outfield, though.

I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.

by leafsfan4life94 on Jul 24, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad the Ump was being stupid about it.

Didn’t even stop for a second to reconsider it.

by StreakyJays on Jul 24, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know, the show is on now though..

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Are we getting a thread for this?

by StreakyJays on Jul 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll make a fanshot.

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

HOF INCUTION CEREMONY THREAD
HOF INDUCTION CEREMONY THREAD
HOF INDUCTION CEREMONY THREAD

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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 24, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

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