Blue Jays/White Sox Deal Official: Frasor and Stewart for Jackson and Teahen: Rasmus Deal Almost Done
by Tom Dakers on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM EDT
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PrintWe get Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahan for Jason Frasor and Zach Stewart.
Not that they will stay around but Jackson has a 7-7 record with a 3.92 ERA in 19 starts. Teahan is batting .209 with 3 homers and 11 RBI in 50 games with the White Sox.
Sad to see Frasor go, but you do have to give something up to get something.
Hearing it will be Jackson, Dotel and Scrabble for Colby Rasmus.
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well when there is news...there will be new post...
plus the last thread was about 500 comments, which is where it starts to lag
I'M SO EXCITED!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I'm not really sure how I feel about this....
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
New Lineup becomes:
Escobar
Thames
Bautista
Lind
Rasmus
Lawrie
Snider
Hill
Arencibia
??
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM EDT reply actions
with Johnny Mac, Davis and EE on the bench
"Big Gulps Eh, Well See ya later" - Lloyd Christmas
" You Gus ready To Let The Dogs Out" "What?" " you Know, Who Let the dogs out rough rough rogh rough" - Zack Galifinakis - The Hangover
by PaullyPforPrez on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
don't forget Molina
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
I'm okay with this
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I don't think Thames should be batting 2nd in the long term.
Also, Snider below Lawrie? I think we need to tamp down the immediate major league success expectation.
glad someone finally said it
I’m excited to see what Lawrie can do, but he is a rookie after all
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
ya i'd say good deal
you just traded a bunch of relievers and an ok SP prospect for a, lets hope, all star CF, hopefully
Colby Rasums rated #41 on Fangraphs trade value rankings, between Robinson Cano and Carlos Gonzalez.
We just acquired him for $7 million and three relief pitchers.
Can't fault AA for doing this one.
He’s got balls the size of ball bearings from an aircraft carrier prop shaft.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions
Yikes
VEB has developed a Jonestown vibe. It seems outside of Toronto, Anthopolous is earning the nickname ‘the Assassin of Hope’.
by dexfarkin on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
We should thank Tony LaRussa for being a grumpy old man
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Who yells
“Hey Rasmus! Get off my CF lawn!!!”
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats so Bad-Ass
Honest to god, I’m so happy to be a Torontonian right now.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
here's there new thread
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2011/7/27/2297668/reports-st-louis-cardinals-trade-of-colby-rasmus-imment
I have already seen one scrabble sighting yay!!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment made me laugh
Toronto Blue Jays General Manager Alex Anthopoulos: We’ll trade you Edwin Jackson, Octavio Dotel, and Marc Rzepczynski for Colby Rasmus.
Saint Louis Cardinals General Manager John Mozeliak: Ooh, that’s bad.
Anthopoulos: But it comes with a free frogurt!
Mozeliak: That’s good.
Anthopoulos The frogurt is cursed.
Mozeliak: That’s bad.
Anthopoulos But you get your choice of toppings.
Mozeliak: That’s good!
Anthopoulos The toppings contain potassium benzoate.
[Mozeliak looks puzzled]
Anthopoulos …That’s bad.
Mozelaik: Can I go now?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel bad for Cards fans
They deserve better than Tony LaRussa.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
by JaysfanDL on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Knew AA would find a way to cash in relievers, but wow.
Let’s hope Rasmus develops into what we think he is now.
PLAYOFFS!!
can we start the next season? like now.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think AA was starting to realize
that his relievers weren’t necessarily going to turn into draft picks and he made sure he made use of them in a big way
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
I think he realized that he could flip relievers into a high upside centre fielder.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
So what are we supposed to have in the end after all these trades are done..?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
we will find out before tonights game
we will have Teahan and rasmus
Litsch, mills, perez likely to be up
teahan and maybe copa likely to be DFA’d.
hopefully, Lawrie will be called up, maybe EE shipped off, or something, don’t know
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Buster Olney
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Brian Tallet!
Yay!!!!
Andddd they take CoPa
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Welcome to Toronto Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, and… Brian, is that you?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Just noticed that Miller is a former Jay as well.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Awesome trade - AA is a genius
Look at the ESPN comments on the Rasmus deal – unanimous that this is a big W for Toronto
by Paul Chicago on Jul 27, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The trade: Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Marc Rzepczynski, Dotel and Corey Patterson.#trades
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
really? nooooooooooooooooooooo
We need someone to give up home runs to RHB
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Tallet usually had good reverse splits
due to his changeup. I don’t mind seeing Tallet again as long as he stays in the pen and CoPa is gone. I’m liking this trade even more.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
I thought it was
Do we really want Trever Miller back? (Tallet should be OK since Cito’s gone right?)
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
this is good
glad to see Patterson included. Better for him than a dfa. and we need some major league relievers (even if they suck).
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
What is so wrong with Tallet?
If he’s not good, we DFA him, or not use him.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Tallent is already DFA'd...
Miller is an innings eater..
Can’t believe that AA keeps doing this – first Atlanta & now St Louis.
First round picks guys, from two of the best baseball organizations in the business!
by Paul Chicago on Jul 27, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty sure the main writer at VEB
put miller and tallet in the same boat, guys that were going to be DFA’d anyway
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
TALLET?WHY?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
im shocked at the love he is getting...
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
it's probably because he's such a phenominal pitcher ;)
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he’s a throw in on a great deal. No sense bashing the guy for no reason. If he’s got anything left in the tank, he’s a nice little piece. Also, he can teach Snider how to properly rock a Magnum PI mustache.
its not no reason
did you follow the team last year?
he is not good.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
our hate for Tallett is because he was used as our fifth starter for way too long, much like JoJo was this year. If he’s put in the pen as a situational lefty, no complaints here
Tallet and Miller have both been replacement this year
If they were not traded they would of been released.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
tallet is not good
people were defending him, hes not good.
doesn’t matter anyway, hes sick.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone worried
that Rasmus has only had one decent year in his career and has a shitty attitude
Not really
LH Power CF’er, who is going from a bad hitting Park, to a great one for LH.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Not worried about his attitude
That one big year was largely fueled by luck, right now we’re taking on potential.
And Lawrie
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear that Escobar guy had an attitude problem too
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
24 years old
Nope
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Not one bit.
.860 OPS at 23 in CF. Hasn’t tried this year b/c he and his dad hate La Russa. Superstar in the making and it took nothing to get him (yeah, Edwin was given up but he was also acquired for nothing).
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhh, you mean like
Our phenomenal shortstop? If you bought the same B.S. about him then you’ve hopefully changed your mind by now?
by Paul Chicago on Jul 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What the heck is going on?
Every minute a new rumour. Are the Jays even going to play tonight, or just forfeit the game so AA can trade half the team away?
welcome to an AA trade!
this is the fun part, you can be boring and wait for 6pm est to find out
but thats no fun!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i am mindblown that the chisox would not just trade ejax, thornton, and someone else for Rasmus themselves
what were they thinking?
Choose me, Ash!
Thornton?
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They've got Alex Rios to play centre
Hahahaha.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
by JaysfanDL on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Aw...we lost Jackson..I always liked him as a pitcher.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
Wilnerness590 Mike Wilner
Wonder if fans will be happier to get Rasmus or to deal Patterson? #bluejays #Jays
happier to get Rasmus but....I will drive Corey to the airport...just to make just he leaves
by Tom Dakers on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he’ll somehow find a way to watch the plane fly over his head
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
Rec'd
That will be the lasting memory in my head of CoPa
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Awesome.
I’m not sure he can get through the door in the wall to get to the plane. Walls make him nervous.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Patterson
I’m glad to see him gone and gladder to see Rasmus in, but IMO he did better than what we expected in ST and he never complained.
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
Let me introduce you to our new closer.... he´s 6"10 tall... he has an 8.10 ERA... Briaaaaan Tallettttt!
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions
AndrewStoeten Andrew Stoeten
[censored] yes RT @enosarris The park factor for HRs by LHBs in St. Lou is 84. In Toronto it’s 116. Yeah I see a little power boost for Rasmus
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Didn't realize Busch II was so hard on lefties
Welcome to Toronto Rasmus!
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Hey if Tallet does suck more maybe Tom can finally rename the suckage award?
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
someone on VEB said tallet is on the DL, is this true? too laggy to look
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't trade players on the DL
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
PTBNL maybe
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well....I'm still kind of awe struck...
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
With the NFL back up and this
There’s just too much to follow. I can’t think right now.
This is awesome.
One more question:
is our line-up lefty heavy?
Yunel
Thames L
Jedi
Lind L
Rasmus L
Snider L
Hill
EE
JPA
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
but not better
then who we want to use instead of him =p
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's only 4 lefties
The Red Sox have 5, Gonzalez, Crawford, Ellsbury, Drew, Reddick and the catchers are switch-hitters.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
It's really happening
rasmus for edwin jackson plus others has been agreed to. $ has to be OK’ed by commish.
heyman
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Source: Trever Miller is expected to be traded to the White Sox, from Toronto.
2 minutes ago
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
For Zach Stewart?
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
DrewGROF
Brian Tallet was recently diagnosed with PKD, a pretty serious liver disease. I hope he’s okay.
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
so then how are we getting him?
poor guy, wish him the best
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
OFFICIAL
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/edwin-jackson-expected-to-be-flipped.html
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
duh
It’s now an official rumour.
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And it looks good for us!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Can we start calling AA the Assassin of Hope?( dexfarkin) That is a wicked awesome nickname.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
he already had the silent assassin (i think)
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but Assassin of Hope is wicked awesome.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
So, I was just reading this incredibly timely Fangraphs piece:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-the-cardinals-cant-trade-colby-rasmus/
Have a glance at the comments. They are amazing.
CoPa is comparable.
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
…and ends with Octavio Dotel, apparently.
by Shift on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bahahaha
As a Cardinals fan, the thought of them making a deal similar to the Braves swap of Yunel Escobar last season – a young player with demonstrated ability having a poor season for an overrated veteran – is scary.
The fact that the Jays have a glaring need in CF should scare you even more. The fact that AA has made public comments this year regarding the potential acquisition of players of this exact ilk should have you downright terrified.
Now we can handle the draft pics.... would make my day
if we sign Beede, Norris and Stilson today
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
That's not happening until the 15th
Beede said it himself.
heh too much news in one day is not good for marketing
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait until Aug. 15
They’ll be signed by then.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
hehe VEB quote
Where potential doesn’t matter. Part-time outfielder hitting .250 gets traded for #3 starter, LHP reliever, and decent RHP reliever. Game rejects trade. Both sides add unnecessary players. Game approves trade
hehehe... now he´s a part-time outfielder
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
AA
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
So we have Vernon Wells locked up for the next few years.
Burn.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
don't tempt us
we will go get weaver next
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll become a Mariners fan if AA ever signs Weaver.
No offense.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, we're going to need it,.
Official prediction: The Angels will win the AL west this season.
by RexTookMyStash on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
RASMUS!!!!!!!
yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Best Line from VEB
so wait
John Mozeliak is trading with the Blue Jays?
WHAT THE F@$# MADE HIM THINK THAT WAS OKAY?
AA is getting a reputation, me thinks…
by dexfarkin on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully that reputation doesn’t become his downfall, where nobody would want to trade with him.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I like our core so much right now
That we can just stick to FA and developing our own players.
Business is business. Some GMs will get cagier, but others will be more likely to work with him because they know he’s not trying to foist off injured players or snake the rules. With all the multi-team deals he’s been working, I think AA is more becoming the universal lubricant of the MLB trade world. Can’t get a deal done one to one, see if AA will come in and push it over the top.
That’s a very cool place for Toronto to be in.
by dexfarkin on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that i think about it.
STL probably doesn’t get a draft pick because wouldn’t Dotel accept arbitration?
Jeff Passan:
A 24-year-old CF who OPS+’d 133 last year just got traded for a FA-pitcher-to-be, a decent RH reliever and a LOOGY. Am I missing something?
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
Gotta love AA.
twit gem
I saw AA, I said “Great trade, let me buy you a beer!” Through a complicated series of deals, I ended up buying him a bottle of Remy instead
Choose me, Ash!
Now Beltran is going to the Giants
Christmas is early this year
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I still can't believe AA just traded relievers and cash for a potential future 5+ war CF.
Every time you think people might be praising him a little too much…
We aren't praising him enough
Lets get an AA statue out in front of the Rogers Center.
Even if he projects to 3.5ish WAR I'd still be ok with the deal
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
these guys are funny
jays: hey, we hear rasmus is available.
cards: yup. we don’t like his personality, and our manager is annoyed at him, so we’re trying to unload him.
jays: would you like one of these shiny prospects?
cards: nah, we’re in a win-now kind of phase, so we’d like…um…edwin jackson, octavio dotel, corey patterson…and scrabble-pants
jays: um…okay?
cards: oh, and would you like p.j. walters, trever miller, and tallet as well?
jays: um, no, not really
background whispering
actually, yeah, we’ll do that. we get rasmus too, right? this isn’t some kind of prank?
cards: nope! alright, we’re very happy with this deal! pleasure doing business with you
end call
jays: what the hell?
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
that made me laugh hard.....
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
This is for the Beltran deal right?
Remember, there’s a 24-hour period that applies. Can’t be official yet.
@TBrownYahoo
Indeed it is.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
core of
Escobar, Rasmus, Bautsita, Lind, Snider, Lawrie on hitting. Romero, Morrow on pitching. I’m not saying that we should go crazy in the FA market, but i can sense that we’re close
Choose me, Ash!
thats exactly what you are saying
lets get fielder!!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The core is obviously there.
That lineup can be really scary in a few years. Now I see why AA is stockpiling on pitchers in the draft.
The best part is
We pretty much have the middle set with Rasmus, Escobar, and JPA/D’Arnaud.
Hater.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Quote from Cardinals thread.
remember when we were talking about thames
good times
Seems they liked him over there. Way too early to say Thames isn’t good.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
noo
it was speculated it might be him, they were trying to guess who they would get.
they weren’t pleased if it was him, but weren’t really that sad.
but now they got fleeced, and wish it was him!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, I’d rather have Thames than Patterson, too.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still real confused.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
did you look into AA eyes when he was in trade talks?
its pretty simple. we got rasmus
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What about those other dudes?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So...we lost Scrabble?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and dotel and stewart
Just wait for the recap if you can’t keep up
its probably going to be messy for another few hours
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Awh....Stewart...and Scrabble...Dotel not so much...but he was amazin vs. rightys.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
three relievers and a potentially middle of the rotation guy and some money
for a star CF with attitude problems.
Choose me, Ash!
It's ok
Asher Wojciechowski will be coming soon enough
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh. I really need to go study for my exam.
Hope everything works out. Goodbye.
Best of luck!
I need to get back to work too
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Good luck!
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- Niels Bohr
Au revoire.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks guys.
Also, don’t know if it was posted but Tallet was put on the 15 day DL on July 4 so I guess they can take him off?
he has a liver disease
minor leaguer posted
probably won’t be coming our way, hope the best for him
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe...
…the Jays are taking him to allow him to retire a Jay. His best years were here.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder where the pine-stripe fans are who´ll tell us that this Rasmus guy is only a part-time outfielder who strikes out too much
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions
9-Bautista
8-Rasmus
7-Snider
6-Escobar
5-Lawrie
4-???
3-Lind
2-Arencibia
When do you think the 4 hole is addressed?
"You can't always get what you want, the Rolling Stones song was right"
Brian Burke
im talking long term core. I dont see hill as apart of it, but maybe I’m wrong
"You can't always get what you want, the Rolling Stones song was right"
Brian Burke
how about Kelly Johnson?
He’s a FA and coming off a down year, so might come somewhat cheap. He’s a RHB with power, so good for the SkyDome. He’s a career .263 hitter with a .312 career BABIP but this year those numbers are .224 and .271, respectively, so he’s due for some upward regression, probably. Even this year, power is there (.222 ISO) and his BB% is ~10. Strikes out a lot, but so do tons of the Jays, so whatever. He’s also a tick above average defensively for his career, though ~0.5WAR/season over the past 2 years. Should be good for ~3WAR with higher upside (2010 put up 5.9 fWAR), which is a big upgrade over our current replacement-level 2B.
Dan Uggla signed this past offseason for 5/62. He had a wayy better track record than Johnson. I say we try to get him for 4/40 or something similar.
oops, he's actually a LHB
but whatever. If we got Fielder, we’d have 5 LHBs with Johnson, Fielder, Lind, Snider, Rasmus, but I think that’s ok.
Ill admit I dont know much about him but he looks like a LH version of hill… low Avg and some pop in his bat.
"You can't always get what you want, the Rolling Stones song was right"
Brian Burke
career .263 AVG
basically the same as Hill’s .266 career. But Johnson walks (career .340 OBA) and Hill doesn’t (career .320).
Also, Johnson’s 2009/2010/2011 ISOs are .165/.212/.222
Hill’s: .213/.189/.095.
Hill HAD pop in his bat in 2009, but never had another season with ISO >.200. He doesn’t seem to have the power anymore and doesn’t get on base enough to make up for it. Johnson walks enough that he’s valuable even without the power which shows no signs of slipping away.
Hill’s options cost $8M next year. Yes, we could resign him for less money, but if we can get Johnson for slightly-less-than-Uggla money, I think he’s worth it. Picking up a 3WAR 2B for the Jays adds the full 3WAR to the lineup, since Hill has been replacement level for the last 2 seasons.
Even with Hill
that is a NASTY lineup this year, I can’t even fathom it in 3 years.
Or
Keep bautista at third and delay calling up lawrie until a week into 2012. 1 extra year of team control, see if you can trade from an area of surplus (outfield) to an area of need when the opportunity arises. win/win
From ESPN.
Buster Olney
The Toronto Blue Jays are turning into the Oakland Raiders of the ‘70s. They’ll take your talented guys (Escobar, Rasmus).
Not a big enough football fan to know
Did that turn out well for the Raiders?
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Will we get someone for Miller from the WSox?
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe Alex Rios..then trade him back to the Cards for Scrabble..
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Both?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Gordon Beckham
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
B/C he's an elite 2B who is having an off year.
.800 OPS a year removed from college. Buff said.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
*Nuff said
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a joke
Obviously we aren’t getting Beckham for Miller….
PFFFFT..
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
haha.
Ok, how about Ozzie to be our designated post game interviewee.
I'm cool wit that.
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
AA confirmed for MLB Executive of the Year
Or was that already decided right after the Vernon Wells trade?
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- Niels Bohr
So I was at lunch. Anything exciting happen while I was gone?
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
funnyguy!
how can you not like these trade things?
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t speculation.
This I don’t mind. I like looking at trades once completed.
What I don’t like is people showing up and going Hey guys how about this trade! Player X for Y and Z. I dont have the patience for that.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
earlier i meant
before the official fireworks!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
More Rosterbation.
Corey patterson to cards….we now have. Brian. Tallet.
Right now he is a 3.5 WAR CF
I don’t see him getting any worse. Hes 24 and cheap for a long time.
Onions Baby Onions
.860 OPS in CF at 23. He bout to go off.
Brett Anderson is the Truth. Brett Anderson is divine presence. Brett Anderson is eternal life. Brett Anderson is within you. Brett Anderson is here. Brett Anderson is Now.
by Frederick0220 on Jul 27, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think AA’s best signing since he became GM was Luca Brasi…..
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
When the dust cleared, here's what went down:
Blue Jays get: OF Colby Rasmus , 3B/OF Mark Teahan, LHP Brian Tallet, LHP Trever Miller, RHP P.J. Walters
Cardinals get: RHP Edwin Jackson , RHP Octavio Dotel, LHP Marc Rzepczynski, OF Corey Patterson
White Sox get: RHP Jason Frasor , RHP Zach Stewart
Jays lose this one, big time.
Wha?
We lost Frasor too?
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oh my joey
the chisox trade happened first
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry broseph...I just got up an hour ago...this is just too fast..
I’m awe struck..
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Teahan Canadian?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
Yes.
Born in California, but his Dad is from St. Mary’s. Teahan got his Canadian citizenship a couple of years ago top be able to play for Canada at the WBC.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Born is Redlands, California
Wikipedia mentions that he was one of the young guys in Moneyball, the next Jason Giambi.
I read a great article about Teahan in teh NYT Magazine years ago when he was a minor leaguer. I think they ruined his swing trying to turn him into a power hitter. In the minors he was an Olerud type but with decent speed.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He's sort of Canadian
like Jesse Crain
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
i believe he was born here
but considers himself American
he did play in the ’09 WBC for Canada because he does have his CND citizenship
And there is still 99 hours until the waiver deadline
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We've got 99 problems.
But a CoPa ain’t one?
I hope Rasmus can get here for tonight’s game
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its a shame we aren't playing the yankees/sox/rays/twins
this would give something decent for pat/buck to talka bout instead of them
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't underestimate Pat/Buck
They could talk about how good the Yankees are no matter what happened.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
don’t know but its only a 2-3 hour flight to TO from St. Louis (if he’s there)
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Ok, last one.
Fresh start for my brother, good for him! The unfair treatment was ridiculous! Now he can breath and have fun playing the game once again!
@cylerasmus
The Cards are going to regret this one for a long time
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Let's hope so
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
TaoofSteib
Tonight, Rasmus get to Toronto late, pinch hits in 9th, hits ball into a hotel room, which immediately explodes.
Got some good thwips there on the twitterwebs
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ooooh my god
i feel like this is just a dream, and when i wake up in 5 hours, it wouldn’t have happened
Choose me, Ash!
But LaRussa is a genius
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
If you can play for Tony La Russa...
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
can't*
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by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can´t wait for next season to begin..... look out, evil twins ;)
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
taking his other post into consideration.. don't see how
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
He´ll have fun in the Yankees stadium
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
He´ll fight Snider, Cecil and the Jedi for the best beard
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Thames has got some pretty magnificent facial hair as well.
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Brian Burke
by kulewhip on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kirby
someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but they moved scrabble to the pen because they needed lefties there, and there wasn’t really room in the startign 5 for him.
noticed you are fileding comments on VEB, wonder where woodman went, he can help you lol
he likes it a lot
Looking at this White Sox-Blue Jays-Cardinals deal as a single, three-team sway, I love what Toronto did, don’t understand what the White Sox did, and like St. Louis’ short-term gain but not the cost or the signal about their internal priorities
Rasmus was worth over 4 wins last year per Fangraphs’ wins above replacement despite being misused much of the year and showing up as a below-average defender in center, which I don’t expect him to be long-term. He’ll slide Travis Snider back to a corner, and should no longer have to worry about where he’s hitting in the lineup or whether he’s in it at all. The acquisition has some risk, as it’s possible Rasmus has peaked or just doesn’t have the makeup to get along with any coaching staff, but I doubt either of those things is true. And over the long haul you always want to bet on high-upside talent when you can.
The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa’s my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office’s decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there’s no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.
I like Toronto´s and the White Sox´s gain...
We finally got Rasmus and the White sox will get a pic for Frasor and got Stewart… who maybe will be decent as a BP guy
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So our outfield looks as follows:
LF – Travis Snider
CF – Colby Rasmus
RF – Jose Bautista/Eric Thames
w00t!
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- Niels Bohr
Jedi for 2-3 more years………….until Gose comes up, then Rasmus to right and Gose at centre
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pretty soon
people will want to trade for AA, forget about the players
that of looks gooood
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
So the plan is to platoon Bautista & Thames?
What the hell is that?
nah I think he means Thames in RF if Jedi is at 3rd base.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
so pre Lawrie
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
I think they're implying he's backing up the corners.
That, or like Redonred said, if Bautista plays 3rd, or even DH. I like it.
dotel scrabble stewart frasor patterson
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
look around
everyone is dancing
look at the VEB board, everyone is crying
i think we won!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i shouldn't say crying, more like angry
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be awhile for you to understand everything, I woke up almost 2 hours ago...and I'm still awe struck.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Rajah to bench...
…hurts my fantasy team, but it worth it for Do Hause Rasmus!
RAJAI DAVIS- late inning pinch runner
by Marcos Montenegro on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
(sigh)
@bradstraubinger: Just spoke to Colby. Happy for fresh start, when I asked about TLR, he said “I hope he’s happy”
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
From VEB
I have a Rasmus jersey from his rookie year hanging in my closet.
Now taking suggestions on what to do with it.
Ive got a walmart nascar Tshirt with a couple holes in it
and old wife beater with some sweat stains
a boot I fished out of the mississippi river and cory patterson
wanna trade?
Now I feel bad….
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
by Redonred on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Pardon my ignorance (I follow cricket more than I do baseball), but why is everyone salivating over Colby Rasmus
His stats aren’t anything special.
.246 11 40
I already said that. Why are you being an asshole?
by JayLo Biafra on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
P O T E N T I A L
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Young, controllable, plays a premium position
This is probably the worst he can play right now… potential to be 5-6WAR CFer.
Onions Baby Onions
Funny, people were getting on Snider because he's had a few cracks at the majors and has struggled.
And he’s younger. Yet no one seems to be saying that about Rasmus. I love the upside of this deal and really hope this works out. Interesting that a lot of the same people that are going crazy about Rasmus right now were so much harder on Snider though.
Grass is always greener on other side?
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Your analysis is very superficial. He’s still an above average batter this year (111 wRC+), which is a bad year for him, and he plays a premium position (harder to find good bats that can play in CF), and he’s young, and he has tons of potential, and he’s not Corey Patterson. Win, win, win, win, WIN.
Much less speed though.
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
only downside, you'll need to teach him to run the bases
we can’t seem to be able to teach anyone base running or bunting
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
I was just hoping to see him jog around the bases a bunch of times.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
btw, are you guys familiar with RasmusGirl
and her little Fire Burning in the Outfield tribute?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
you might regret clicking on this
linky
there’s been several remixes improving the vocals, they let her meet him, played the song in the stadium etc
bet she’s crying in a corner unless AA aranged to have her relocated to Toronto
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
ahah
i’ll have to check that out when i get home, thanks for sharing ( i think)
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its awful. Hilarious. But awful
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
Haha...she's not gonna be to happy with this trade.
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be willing to allow he to become a Jays fan.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
her*
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
I can`t believe I`m still listening to this...
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well she is a pretty girl.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
catchy, isn't it?
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
He better have his 'Fire Burning in the outfield'..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
you better give the fire chief a season ticket in the bleechers
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Tweety
RT @cylerasmus: Fresh start for my brother, good for him! Unfair treatment was ridiculous! Now he can breathe and have fun playing again!
Okay...I had to clear this thing up myself...
White Sox get: Jason Frasor, Zach Stewart
Blue Jays: get: Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet, (that AAA pitcher), and Trevor Miller
Cards get: Dotel. Scrabble, CoPa, Jackson
Where does that leave Teahan?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
soon to be DFA'd
it was a chisox salary dump, for now he is ours
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno I figure they will give him an opportunity to turn it around first.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
in my mind
we have no room with lawrie coming up
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I figure he’ll be a bench guy and the occasional fill-in. Maybe the bridge to Lawrie if they want Bautista back in RF. He’s had a couple of really bad years at the plate.
Was thinking along those lines.
He can play multiple positions. Maybe we can figure out how to get his bat going too.
Still with the Jays.
Expensive new somewhat utility guy?
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Un-freaking-real
I hate your GM. Nice move.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
LOOGY..
Good fastball, very good breaking ball when it’s on, and he has to get ahead of the count early or he can get himself into some trouble.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not a LOOGY, he’s a left-handed reliever.
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
personally
i see no reason why he can’t go back to a starter, he lost moreso, because we have so many other guys.
And then he was so much better in the pen then starting, never thought to move him back.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
also note worthy
scrabble is a great nickname for him, it will save you the agony of spelling it in writeups!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way we don't lose this trade horribly
Is if he can start down the road. He is going to one of the biggest pitcher parks in baseball and one of the better pitching coaches.
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
i really thought he was going to be part of our starting 5. I think he’s fully capable of starting.
But again, he’s been very, very good coming out of the Pen.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He definitely has the talent to start.
He was a better fit for the Jays in the bullpen since they lost Scott Downs to the Angels.
What I saw from him as a starter were problems staying in the game long, he ususally didn’t go much more than 5 innings. Not sure if it was concentration/focus issues or if he doesn’t have the stamina. Great stuff though.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on what I've seen of him.
Fastball in the high 80s low 90s. Excellent downward movement on his fastball.
Most of the time his control is okay, but once in a while he loses it and it gets ugly.
Very good slider, but again he sometimes has control issues.
Changeup… not so much.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet deal. This opens up Snider/Lawrie to be dealt in a deal
We only used one prospect to get a talented CF who is under control.
Plenty of bullets left to fire.
Next Stop Ubaldo!!!
Fing laptop mouse
I was saying you guys are becoming to attached to the prospects. The vast majority will never play a day for the Jays.
Not if you have plenty
and trade a few for a piece you’ll control. I’d agree if they blew there load on a rental.
you mean like snider/thames
who are playing everday for us?
i don’t get it. thames, ok. but snider? he’s a keeper.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Buddy put on your glasses
Pull your fing neck in and read what I wrote and corrected. One of Snider or Thames not Snider and Lawrie
You might not agree but there is no call to tell him to shut up.
This is supposed to be a place for discussion after all.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Not gonna lie...
I like having Colby…but I’m gonna miss Frasor, Stewart, Dotel, and RZep…
Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out CoPa..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
I'll miss Dancing Dotel more.
But share sentiments about CoPa.
Nice for a few months, but his D sucks.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
OK guys
I had budgeted 1.5 hours to prepare for a meeting at 2:30. Now I have 28 minutes…. I am turning off my WiFi.
See ya around 4 pm for AA’s press conference.
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
Me too...
Not a productive day at the office…
I think I found the Cardinals GM's thinking process while making this trade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIO1m0bFwgs
(Warning: Possibly NSFW)
Good on AA to take advantage! =P
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Mills, Perez
Litsch up, Villa back to the bullpen?
earlier nadia posted ( i think) a tweet
that said mills is going into the Pen. so for sure mills perez litsch will be up
maybe a 7-man pen instead of the 8 we are using.
woodman would be more helpful =P
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
have fun!
been at this for like 4 hours
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
haven't even tried to read mlbtr comments yet
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This would have been.
A good time to put Jo Jo in the pen.
Agreed..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What a great show on VEB....
I’m just sitting here rubbing my eyes Just rubbing them. Just…what do I do with this information.
Answer:
vomit may be a good start
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
Why couldn't we get rid of Jo-Jo with Patterson and keep Scrabble or Stewart?
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
Because nobody wants Jo-Jo.
That Winless streak was national news.
because AA is not that good
this is a solid trade, it sucks losing guys you like, but they lost a huge guy in rasmus, go read their posts, how many bought jerseys, its part of being a fan.
The bluejays got better after this trade, thats what is important
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
haha I know it was kind of a joke...but I can always dream..
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well you seem kind of down
i thought it was all serious, and i bet most of it is.
Rasmus will make you happy, just wait =)
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...I'm gonna miss Dotel's dancing...
RZep’s awesomeness against leftys…Stewart’s potential..and Frasor’s awesomeness in general…maybe we can pull a David Purcey deal and trade someone to them and get one of those people back..
Like how we traded Farquhar and that big tall pitcher to Oakland for Davis and then just traded Purcey to Oakland and got Farquhar back…oh that would be good times..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Tallet has historically also been very good against lefties
it’s not actually that hard to find a LOOGY. Frasor is good, but it’s not like he’s Rivera. He’s replaceable, too (hence why he accepted arbitration since noone would give up a draft pick to sign him)
From VEB. I had to laugh it was pretty good.
quite honestly though, i don’t understand this trade at all.
jays: hey, we hear rasmus is available.
cards: yup. we don’t like his personality, and our manager is annoyed at him, so we’re trying to unload him.
jays: would you like one of these shiny prospects?
cards: nah, we’re in a win-now kind of phase, so we’d like…um…edwin jackson, octavio dotel, corey patterson…and scrabble-pants
jays: um…okay?
cards: oh, and would you like p.j. walters, trever miller, and tallet as well?
jays: um, no, not really
background whispering
actually, yeah, we’ll do that. we get rasmus too, right? this isn’t some kind of prank?
cards: nope! alright, we’re very happy with this deal! pleasure doing business with you
end call
jays: what the hell?
“I don’t know where Cueto learned to fight.”— Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
by il rosso on Jul 27, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 15 recs
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
yeah that was posted already
was funny
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed that
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic....
But everytime i study another sbnation fred like today´s VEB one i´m glad about our language here….
Keep it civil, Tom!
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Jim Bowdin ripping this deal on XM radio
Not a single prospect for a good young CF. Calling AA an absolute genius.
Well Stewart was on KLaw´s list number 44 before the season....
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
They are giving the Cardinals an F on this trade
oh, and AA gets an A+.
zep is pretty young
but yeah, just another case of a team wanting to unload a “clubhouse cancer”
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they are just ripping the Cardinals right now
Mind boggling that they gave up Rasmus and didn’t even get a good prospect at the very least in the deal.
Well...
Frasor, RZep, Dotel, and maybe even CoPa…it’s been nice having you guys…I’ll miss 3/4 of these people…good luck..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
The only one I'll miss is Frasor.
As for the rest……adios amigos
Oh yeah..forgot Stewart.
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
scrable and frasor will be missed on my part
by llello.loves.ace on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I will miss those two the most..
But I did think that Stewart had some solid potential…just maybe not as a starter in the AL East.
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure about Stewart
I saw a couple of his starts and wasn’t impressed. Average fastball and he never threw a changeup. He’s probably reliever material like a lot of scouts said.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
I think gonna miss Edwin Jackson..
I heard he was a good club house guy.
news on tallet
Brian Tallet has been diagnosed with polycystic kidney disease.Cardinals doctors found cysts along Tallet’s kidney this weekend while running a CT scan on his strained intercostal muscle. “Some cases are worse than others,” the left-hander said Sunday. “Right now, my case is that all of my levels are normal and everything is fine with them, but I’ve got cysts in the kidneys. Now, it’s just a matter of maintaining the levels that I’m at by drinking more water.” He’s unlikely to return before the end of July. Jul 11, 10:03 AM
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez. Now I feel bad for crapping on the guy.
Cysts anywhere on the body are bad news. Had one get infected and needed abdominal surgery to remove it and other parts of my body.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
PCKD is fairly common and not necessarily that serious (as it seems in Tallet's case)
and lost of other people without the fullblown polycystic disease have one or several kidney cysts without ever having symptoms or even knowing about it unless they have a CT or ultrasound for some other reason
Well...I'm hungry..time to go eat some food.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
There's a reason why AA is GM and the callers to Jaystalk are not.
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
well this will seem like a win-win-win if stewart becomes something valuable in Chisox and the cards win the WS this year
other than that, we slam dunk won this trade
Choose me, Ash!
unless Rasmus turns out to be a Milton Bradley
by Marcos Montenegro on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The cardinals are laughing at the Cardinals.
Heck, everyone is laughing at the Cardinals.
I think if I were the GM of another team,
I’d just wouldn’t answer the phone if I seen AA’s number after that deal.,.
So what's the story with that AAA pitcher we acquired from the Cards?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
and cleveland managed to get runs
ahhaha funny stuff
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Today has been a funny day
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Straight from Blue Jays on FB
The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have acquired OF COLBY RASMUS, LHP BRIAN TALLET, LHP TREVER MILLER and RHP P.J. WALTERS from the St. Louis Cardinals in exchange for RHP EDWIN JACKSON, RHP OCTAVIO DOTEL, LHP MARC RZEPCZYNSKI, OF COREY PATTERSON and three players to be named later or cash considerations
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
and three players to be named later or cash considerations
Seems more like cash.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
I'm hoping it is.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
PTBNLs are usually career minor leagues or low rank prospects from what I’ve seen.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
PTBNLs are usually career minor leagues
Crash Davis says ‘Hi’
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Johnny Mac now that I think of it.
As a Toronto sports fan I proudly follow the lessons of lachrymology.
"He drives that new car around town and feels really good about it." - Ron Wilson
"Vancouver, BC: A massive inferiority complex with a city." - TheOtherAndrew
"HOPE is more than a postponed disappointment" - Epica
not neccessarily.
especially considering what the Cards are giving up
i don't think i've ever heard of more then 1 PTBNL
prob all cash… there goes fielder money!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Miller still might be headed to the White Sox
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
What's in it for us?
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
sox will send something to STl for him
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
just a thought, it might have something to do with the 3 players to be named later
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we has Jason Frasor back?
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
umm hello
he was the piece that got this started lol
look on the bright side, our average game time length will likely decrease with him gone!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Touche..
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thames and Cooper
I wonder if Thames and Cooper might now be in play. If Lawire is our 3B in 2012, the OF looks full with Snider, Rasmus, and JBau. Which leaves only DH as a position for a couple of pretty young players.
cooper for sure
I think thames is safe until Gose comes up (assuming Joeybats is still playing)
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
new Scrabble?
Now that Scrabble is gone, is newly-signed prospect Jeremy Gabryszwski the new Scrabble?
i can never call another man scrabble /tear
we have another one too, with a crazy name like that, hasn’t signed yet i think
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Gabryfaoifjoijski signed I think, wasn't there an article that Tom wrote already about it?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i kno but there was the other one
wojonyazkci
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
WOjoijfaofihaiofhoifaioskinkskdski?
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- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
That ones easy though...
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
With a name like that
his nickname should be Gabba Gabba Hey.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
Wow, just, wow!
AA you make our dreams reality.
by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Jul 27, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
Anybody else notice Rios has been benched in Chicago...
Thankyou White Sox
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
he’s one of the cases where the talks about his attitude followed him
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The Colby Rasmus page on SBNation is BLUE……………..YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAA!!
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press is at 4, and AA is on primetime with McCowan at 5
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
McCown?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he the old grumpy guy with the annoying voice?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you never listen the PTS before?
go find a interview and listen to his voice, he’s not that grumpy but definitely more than the other guys
4pm……….AA walks in, says “Colby Rasmus B******……….I’m out”
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 27, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'll be on my way home
so sad im missing it =(, hopefully i can hear aa on PTS
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think it woulda been rad to have Jackson and his 3.43 xFIP....
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
Rasmus
That’s all you need to think about.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
I need to see his awesomeness in a white et blue jersey first.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, please just start saying this is a good trade kirby
don’t know why you are acting like this lol.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...everything just happened so fast...
(Don’t TWSS me)
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
make ya feel better
some VEB fans still think they are getting yunel or lawrie as well, or that they had a chance at them
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Or hoping for even more as one of the players to be named later.
Cardinals select Jose Bautista as first PTBNL, receive cash considerations in place of other two
Nice try.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
that was clearly a joke =P
but thinking McGuire is going to be one of them.
they really don’t get that PTBNL will be nobody’s, and probably cash, not even players
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Tallet…
I've been looking at the sky
by Back In Black on Jul 27, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be surprised if the Cards get better than those guys
GM might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but surely is isn’t that gullable.
Usually but not always.
The Cards know they gave up a major player, and they will probably have a pool of several players from which to pick 3.
No no, I'm not saying that,
but, they might have identified some other players they would be interested in like Wojo, Jiminez, McDade, guys along those lines.
Also, from Joe Strauss
Rasmus has declined to speak to media since the club returned from its nine-game road trip Sunday but, according to a family member, was “extremely” pleased by the move.
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What's the scouting report on Tallet's facial hair situation these days?
Since that’s where most of his entertainment value came anyways…
Exactamundo
ShiDavidi Shi Davidi
Jays fans uneasy about Rasmus deal need to ask themselves this: who did they surrender they may regret? Rasmus only player with star talent
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Stewart and Rzep.
My hope was wading on Stewart anyways, and Rzep only if he goes to the rotation and becomes very successful (unlikely).
Ervin Santana threw a no hitter...
Damn it baseball, I’m supposed to be working! I give up, there’s just too much going on to pretend like I’m going to be productive.
already posted!
the best part was the indains scored runs in the game.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
someone tweeted this was the best 24HRs for Jerry Meals to make the crap call
now no one remember him except the Pirates
Oh, it hasn't been forgotten
I just heard the Pirates radio call of it about an hour ago.
"Rumor Madness" quote
On here, for a little while, it was Colby Rasmus. I like Colby Rasmus, I’m sure he’d be a great fit. But the Cardinals are in the playoff race, they will not give him away for nothing.
What about the 3 players to be named later?
Who is giving them up and who is recieving them.
the two trades are seperate
so TOR to STL, it will most likely be cash and not 3 players.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm betting there's at least one player if not more.
Toronto will provide a list (pending on Rasmus’s performance) for the Card’s to choose from. Or they might be wanting someone from last year’s draft that hasn’t been with TO for a year yet.
now I've been thinking
Reyes or Fielder? I’d bet Thames/EE can adequately DH, but there’s no getting around Hill’s 1 win. or get a pitcher? I dunno
WAR... WAR never changes.
both. that would bring out payroll to like $100M not including draft picks, INTFA, etc.
how awesome is that.
Choose me, Ash!
closer to, like, 105
but still… I’m pretty sure Rogers said they’ll spend 140
WAR... WAR never changes.
whatever man
the sole idea that we could sign both and still have payroll to add middlle of the rotation starters is awesome
Choose me, Ash!
Wow
1. Jose Reyes SS – S
2. Yunel Escobar 2B – R
3. Jose Bautista RF – R
4. Prince Fielder DH – L
5. Adam Lind 1B – L
6. Travis Snider LF – L
7. Brett Lawrie 3B – R
8. Colby Rasmus CF – L
9. JP Arencebia C – R
You could tinker a little to balance the lefties and righties, but damn.. What a line up.
maybe……….2-3 hours flight from St. Louis. I’d say unlikely tonight but def tomorrow
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Rasmus's first game??
I have tickets to Thursday’s game… do you think he will be in the line-up??
Wow, just saw the trade. Not liking it in the slightest. They sure gave up a lot to get Rasmus. I mean, what was the point of making the trade with the White Sox? Give up Frasor and Stewart for a guy hitting .203 and a pitcher they immediately sent to Cards? And they just made their BP a lot worse than I thought it could get. I sure hope Rasmus was worth everything.
we just got the #3 prospect in all of baseball pre-2009
for a couple of relievers, a decent prospect, and 3 career minor leaguers/cash.
Choose me, Ash!
use him right and he's not utterly awful
he’s been just turrible this year, but decent career splits
WAR... WAR never changes.
Tallet dealing with medical issues
Don’’t know when (if?) he could pitch, if at all.
Obvious troll.
But Frasor going to the White Sox was to get Edwin, since the Cardinals wanted immediate rotation help.
Don’t look at it as two seperate trades. Look at it in terms of what we gave from our team, and what we added.
If not a troll...
…then what? “Not liking it in the slightest”? Are you serious? This was genius. Nothing really lost and everything to gain – just take a peek at the gazillion comments under the espn story…
by Mr. Reynolds on Jul 27, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you should go look up what the definition of a troll is. Am I going onto boards and spamming a bunch of insulting, childish comments just to be annoying? No. I was voicing my opinion. And I’ve been on these boards plenty in the past, just not much recently.
Jackson was part of what it took to get Rasmus
Teahan we had to take as part of it. Our bullpen has not been that good for a while, and it could actually turn out to be improved imo.
As with all trades, only time will tell if they are good or not. At this very moment, I’m not that happy with what the Jays gave up. In time that could change, certainly.
no he's not
he’s Vernon Wells of 2005 w/ slightly worse defense as a minimum
WAR... WAR never changes.
I was using a current Jay as a comparison. Patterson has speed but doesn’t always take the best routes and has the occasional brain fart when backing up a play. He also fails to take command in CF. From what I have read, Rasmus is a bit that way on defense as well. Patterson has more speed but doesn’t use it efficiently.
On offense, the biggest differences are in the power department and eyes, which are areas in which Rasmus is clearly superior.
We've possibly made some room.
Perez could end up back with the team. He did good as a long man.
Agree, he will replace Scrabble.
Shouldn’t be a big problem there. Janssen pitches against lefties well too.
The only guy I will miss is Frasor, despite past frustrations with him he really has settled down into a very steady and capable reliever, maybe the Jays resign him since he likes Toronto so much.
As for the rest… Scrabble is replaceable, as is Dotel… Patterson – see ya! Stewart was intriguing but if losing him is part of the price for Rasmus, it’s worth it.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Jays gave up relievers in this deal
Frasor and Dotel are relievers. R-Zep because of his control problems will likely never be a starter. Stewart has been projected as a reliever by most scouts for awhile now and based on the average fastball and lack of changeup I saw in his 3 starts, I see why they say that. So the Jays traded 4 relief pitchers for a young, talented CF who BA rated as the #3 prospect pre-2009 and who has a career 111 OPS+.
Relief pitchers are easily replaced. In fact, we got back one who was ok as long as he was only used in relief (Tallet). Oh yeah, we gave up Corey Patterson too, which is addition by subtraction.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
He is..
It’s a good deal. We gave up some good bullpen arms and a good prospect in Stewart and got back one of the top young players. Think about the Escobar – Gonzalez deal and you have a comparable. Except Rasmus could be our second best hitter, playing CF, a premium position, right now.. but most likely by next year once he has some time to get his confidence back and start loving his new shirt.
yeah, that Corey Patterson was really good.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 27, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
6-1 M's in the 7th
And while delighted about the Rasmus trade, I am gonna miss Frasor. I recognize if you can include him for Rasmus you have to do it and he doesn’t have that kind of star potential, but he’s been a Jay a long time.
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
I liked him too
sad to see him go, but at least he set the appearances record
WAR... WAR never changes.
that was my reaction when I heard it on the radio.
Then I heard about Brian Tallet and had a fit of rage.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 27, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
“CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP” fits very nicely in between each of those.
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
www.isaadonedealingyet.com
someone should register this domain and just leave a note on the site saying
“NEVER”
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Think we can trade Hill, Camp, Frank, and a decent prospect for Rickie Weeks?
Then sign Fielder as the DH in the offseason.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Definately some more trade pieces.
You’re fantasizing when it comes to Fielder though.
our team will cost about $60M next year (all included)
and Rogers has said we can spend up to $140M (though probably not in a one-year jump). not fantastizing.
WAR... WAR never changes.
It's just my opinion (I could be wrong, you never know)
But I could come up with several reasons he won’t be playing here.
go for it
I can come up with a trump card that will beat all of yours:
We can pay him a lot of money.
WAR... WAR never changes.
I think we need to factor in other things like Teahen's contract, not sure if you've factored that.
Not sure but thought I read he has one for 5.5 million next year. Not to mention whatever cash consideration go into the Rasmus deal and some kind of buyout or cost associated with Tallet – otherwise why include him?
That said, still lots of cash available. They’ll need to resign Hill or another 2B, probably sign a couple of relievers. A closer please.
by transmogrifier on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bordering on 750 comments on this thread...wow
plus all the comments from the previous thread, it’s been an exciting day to say the least.
just saying, this is probably average for a slow, summer day at PPP.
Dion Phaneuf: turning the tunes up since '10
Press Conference
Can it be seen online? If so, where?
I can handle bad relievers. I cannot handle Brian Tallet.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 27, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, awesome. Now I can go back to being all excited and fangirl about COLBY RASMUS.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 27, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
it's live online
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
thanks!
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It will be on bluejays.com
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont see it either
link anybody?
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Look up!
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6261176
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Buy now!
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I wanna see it on the black one.
I’m not a huge fan of the white jerseys.
It was easy on photoshop since he shares so many letters with Marcum
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
think about this people
i’m not exagerrating when i say rasmus can be a hall of famer for the Jays. As long as he stays in CF and stays healthy. This is so amazing
Choose me, Ash!
Rasmus interview if anyone's interested
reaction to trade link
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
by d-dee on Jul 27, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
that’s awesome. Thanks for making work fly by :D
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
GOd damnit, this guy is a freaking redneck
I hope he doesn’t come up here and has a horrible anti-canadian redneck attitude :(
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I know
I hope he isn’t one of those “I hate Canada” guys. I really want him to give us a chance to grow on him. We’ll love him better than St. Louis did. I was going to buy a Rasmus jersey for the hell of it.
…or a silkscreened t-shirt.
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Language......
But nothing wrong with us trying to rub some Canada off on him!
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The anti Obama shirt sucked
Reminds me of Luke Scott, but not as crazy
Well that’s his politics. It wasn’t offensive or anything.
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
politics is fine
but fox news doesn’t air up here. So maybe he’ll get a little smarter..:D
Luke Scott’s stance was hilarious though, and he plays in Maryland too.
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Sun TV!
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of ballplayers are rednecks
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
nah, Colby is super low-key, very humble, very nice with fans
he’s from Georgia, it’s just how he talks
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
That's great to hear.
I really look forward to meeting him. I might go to the game on Thursday just to meet him and see him in CF. I’m super excited!
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
AA looks tired
Probably on the phone for the last 8 hours.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Yeah, definitely
I was thinking of 8 straight hours, along with multiple phone calls in the past few days
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
Look Up! (via Minor Leaguer)
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6261176
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
d-dee reported it first
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 27, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm happy to share :)
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Not gonna happen according AA
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what kind of bullpen the Jays will have tonight
Yes, I am addicted to the bbref play index. @BBBMinorLeaguer
Incidentally, one great reason why Las Vegas is a terrible AAA affiliate for Toronto. Currently 21 players on the roster for tonight, 9 pitchers.
I think we're stuck with Vegas for another year
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Add to that they're building a new sports complex
That includes a new ball park, I could see them staying, unless something really close to TO comes available.
That would be absolutely ideal.
We should have had Buffalo in the first place, but they got stupid and went with the Mets.
Ottawa?
I’ve read that some local politicians have had discussions with the Blue Jays about moving their AAA team to Ottawa.
by Will O'Neill on Jul 27, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The blue Jays do not own the Vegas team. They cannot decide to move it.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Sorry, to clarify … the talks were about a local group acquiring a team, and the Blue Jays moving/changing their affiliation to Ottawa after their deal with Vegas ends (after 2012, I believe).
by Will O'Neill on Jul 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
It would,
But honestly I would surprised if it happened. minor league baseball isnt exactly a money maker and I would be surprised if the league ok’d a team in Canada that invites all kinda of other travel issues and costs for the other teams in the league.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Huzzah
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Jul 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the new guys will be in Toronto for tonights game as per Wilner
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions
Mills called up at least for tonight
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
forgot about Camp.
6 man bullpen, but like you said, he might not be available. Also will be one player short on the bench too.
well guys, thanks for being welcoming and a nice place to spend this sad afternoon (at least for us)
congrats on the trade and I hope Colby goes on a tear for you
I’m sure you’ll warm up to him
good luck for the rest of the season!
"I still don’t understand what commercial is better than having me on tv" – Chris Carpenter
2011: Boog would've count 72
Thanks for dropping by.
Good luck to you guys the rest of the year.
Cards has a list of available 3 PTBNL or cash
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
that´s how it works... they did get a list and can pick till end of the year 2011
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know,
I was the one earlier that was mentioning that they would probably have a list of players to select from. :-)
reply fail;) sorry
"Touch ´em all, Joe!"
by jaysfanfromeurope on Jul 27, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
AA confirmed it’s a list they can choose from by Dec 31st, or take the cash.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming on to this late, but YEHHHAAAA! My only question is who gets squeezed out of the outfield picture when JBau returns to the outfield
one other question, sorry if it was discussed before, but there are like 1,000 entries on this thread and i can’t read them all. does anyone now about Rasmus’ contract? How long do we have him before he goes free agent?
by leftovercrack on Jul 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure its like 3-4 years, we have him for a while which is one of the best parts of this
his first arbitration eligable year is this offseason.
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wtf alan ashby
ashby just went down MULTIPLE notches in my book on snet1 fan 590 show. he A) didn’t even know what had happened, the fact that they got jackson & flipped jacson
and B) he went on to say: it would seem to me that colby rasmus is the key to the deal today, either that or getting brian tallet back in the fold, I’m not sure which bob.
are you fucken serious ashby. wow, just wow. WOW
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Any Jays fan who listen to the media in Toronto, whether it be radio or TV or whatever, and bases their thoughts off of what these guys are saying, are being massively misinformed.
no kidding
you can definitely tell which ones know what their talking about. the bloggers, and only a couple people from the broadcast/radio side. i like wilner, davidi, and sometimes zauns take on things
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't see what's wrong with either of them
Lots happened today, it can be confusing if you’re not stalking the internets like us.
Pretty sure the Tallet line was an obvious joke.
Ball.
was definitely not
i rewound the video just to check exactly what he said lol, must not have a clue who rasmus is and that tallet hasn’t improved and is injured……
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wooooooooow
Ashby is a great analyst, but since he was brought on at the last minute I very doubt he had anything prepared, and no not everyone will know everything about every player everywhere. There’s always research that needs to be done.
That Tallet line sounded ABSOLUTELY like a joke, listening to the radio broadcasts most of the time, there’s no other way it can be taken.
Ball.
was not a joke
my dvr tells me so. even bob laughed at him, ashby was serious….
and its been known and talked about for like 5 hours now, how do you have no clue when you go on the air, you follow the jays for a living. and how do you not know who rasmus is if you follow the mlb. seriously, not acceptable lol
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What, it's not his job to follow the Jays
It’s his job to comment on the game as it happens. Do you not know what his job actually is? He’s not a reporter, let alone a beat reporter.
Deadpan humor seems to go over your head, maybe you actually listened to his work you could recognize it.
Ball.
clearly
your to stuborn to realize your wrong. i actually saw and heard the conversation, i can tell what is a joke or sarcasm and what isn’t, im not retarded. seems like your just stuck on his nuts.
i like ashby as a sportscaster, but no longer respect his opinion as much on things after those comments
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Warned. Watch the language.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Well, now all we have to do is acquire someone who can actually close a game..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
As someone said...I wouldn't mind a deal for Leo Nunez..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Aha I know, soon enough they won't want to make deals with us..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I know everyone is saying (jokingly) that GMs will avoid AA now, but wouldn’t you think that each GM believes himself to be much smarter than his counterparts? Smart enough not to make the same mistakes? I can’t imagine how AA’s past deals in any way hamper him in future negotiations. Am I missing something?
by potvin vs hextall on Jul 27, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
there will always be someone that thinks they are smarter and can get the better of him.
Sadly...they will be dead wrong..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope they look for a candidate from within the system. I shudder at the thought of free agent closers
by leftovercrack on Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Just my opinion.
But I could see converting Alverez or Wojo for that kind of role.
good possibilities, i had my eye on zach stewart as a closer, but I guess he’s gone now
by leftovercrack on Jul 27, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think our candidates would probably be Carreno, Farquhar, Janssen, maybe even Alvarez..
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he's starting
it’s been said a thousand times that the doctors think his arm will respond better to action every 5 days
WAR... WAR never changes.
coming from our system
unless they’re already relievers in the minors, you can tell AA’s philosophy is that guys in the minors are just fill ins or failed starting prospects. just chips to use in a trade or get draft picks. until we are true contenders don’t expect the jays to try and turn a great prospect into a closer, because if they do, they are basically saying he’s failed & they’re willing to move him lol. there is that 1 guy we drafted this year though in the 3rd or 4th round whos got arm problems but can reach high 90’s, that guy could be a realistic option cause he sounds like hes going to be a reliever only type pitcher, and the jays knew that when drafting him.
so ya, dont expect big name prospects to be turned into relievers in the jays system until we are serious contenders, then we’ll do what we need to to win. jays want all their prospects to be starters until they know it won’t work, then move them to the pen
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
no, that's not what I'm referring to
the doctors just think that McGowan’s (obviously fragile) arm will respond better to a starter’s workload than a reliever’s
WAR... WAR never changes.
i know that
but part of that is also what i stated above. making a pitcher in their system a reliever for the jays is like giving up on him
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
well
apparently other teams are willing to pay quite a price for bullpen lol, we just get them to trade them.
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I HATE THIS DEAL
I wanted CoPa and I to share a Birthday as Jays in a couple of weeks time.
AA OUT :/
call me new
but im seeing this a lot. who is copa
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god i hate him
idk how we copa’d with him for so long. SEE YA
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
so now if we can figure out 2nd base we have an insane & young lineup 1-9
sign reyes at SS and move escobar to 2nd base? i heard that the jays management has said they’re going to make a big splash in FA this year & will go after a big gun….. that would fit so perfect, reyes leading off OH BOY. reyes, snider, bautista, lind, thames, rasmus, lawrie, escobar, aarencibia soon to be ddarnaud. thats an insane lineup!
We should get Reyes and Fielder.
Our lineup 1-9 would be dangerous and have a great balance of lefties/righties
we should
but, like, actually. we have the money and those two fill what are easily our two biggest (hell, maybe only) lineup holes (assuming we slide Esco or Reyes to 2B).
WAR... WAR never changes.
Its just like you were saying previously
If we sign those two, we still have money in our alleged budget to add to our rotation/bullpen, and our lineup will be set for the next decade. If we sign them both this year, how does compensation work with them both being Type A free agents?
we lose first and second round picks
plus Milwaukee and the Mets get supplementary picks, but those just come out of thin air – we don’t lose them. and yeah, we’d have a ridonkydonk lineup
WAR... WAR never changes.
check out this great post on getting blanked about how the jays are spending money
http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2011/07/26/the-toronto-blue-jays-are-spending-money/
a great read, and shows that we are spending the money, just not showing up on the current roster payroll
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i think going after 1 big name would be a lot
gotta realize how much we’re spending to get all these rookie highschoolers away from their universities, on getting more draft picks then normal, on signing dominican/cuban/venezualain players, on doubling our scouting departement, on paying extra money and signing players like tehan & riviera to make deals such as this happen. The jays are spending a ton of money, it just doesn’t show up on their major league roster books. i think if they made a splash to get 1 big name I would be extremely thankful, they’re spending tons of money in the right places already to build a contender for many years.
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No Reyes
He’s having a great season this year, sure, he’s going to want to have a large improvement on his current 5 yrs/$33.75M and played only 257 out of 427 games over the last 3 seasons (2009-2011). His injury history doesn’t warrant such a large commitment.
Ball.
i'll take him for half the year
and aaron hill for 2mil for the other half of the games lol
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm at work, time to go back to work...oh look its 5pm, right in time for interview on the FAN
…great day today :). 1:30pm to 5pm went by so fast! :D
by BrownMagician on Jul 27, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
with Rzep gone, who becomes the core lefty/lefties out of the pen?
Forgive me if it’s been asked before
by Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on Jul 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT reply actions
I meant to say something else but forgot, and hit "post"
so I just posted a horribly useless comment
WAR... WAR never changes.
AA says Miller will be the LOOGY for now, Perez will be up soon tho and we’ll see them both is my guess…
Also Mike McCoy seems like he will be sent down in the next couple days as we now have 14 position players on our 25 man roster when teams rarely carry more than 13. Teahen will prolly stick around a few days until Lawrie is ready and then DFA’d so AA has a little more time to move him…
Noooooooooooo
AA says Lawrie won’t be here this week or in Tampa Tuesday. “He’s getting there but he’s not there yet.”
dont rush it
let him get back to where he was getting more walks than strikeouts and hitting like 400. when he gets back there he’s ready & it’ll pay off in the majors when he has a better eye for it
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no hes not
look at the games since he’s returned. hes striking out way more than walking
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
look at last 10 games
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543434
and look before he was hurt, he was talking more walks then striking out, not even close to that yet. he’ll get there in a couple weeks, then he’ll be ready
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell does he have to do to get up here?
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
more walks then strikeouts, hitting on fire again
more walks then strikeouts, hitting on fire again
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
nah just the gameday
and audio feed. but its pretty detailed with how they hit the ball in the gameday. mostly i just read the box score to see how hes doing, the bb/so’s are what i’m watching. once we see him start taking more walks then strikeouts consistently again expect his callup. hes going to have to do it like 3-5 games in a row tho. he also is hitting good, but not slugging as much (not as many doubles, triples, homeruns) so hes not back to form, thats for sure. def 1-3 weeks away
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay then
So you don’t in fact ‘watch the games every night’
by Nadia on Jul 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well he was talking about knowing the stats...
so it’s pretty much the same thing, he never commented on mechanics or anything
WAR... WAR never changes.
Box scores don’t tell you everything.
Honestly, it’s not really important, but you don’t have to say you watch the games.
i watch the games
just not on tv. but i do watch them. and whats important is the stats, just compare them to before he was hurt, you’ll see the huge difference & know what to look for and when to expect the call up
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
proof please? since you know where to look. show us.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
i've already posted them
pay attention and scroll up to where you asked that the last time bowling….
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nevermind.
I just want to end that discussion. I really don’t care.
Its semantics… he isn’t watching, he is following the games.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
That's why I said nevermind.
Because it’s semantics and I was being silly.
Take it with a grain of salt
With Edwin and Teehan on the roster now, one of them has to be moved before he is called up. AA is probably going to try and get something for one of them before the trade deadline.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if thats true
encarnacion will be gone, i hope that doesn’t happen he is good bench player and can play 3rd and 1st… sometimes. i like him when hes hot, and hes real hot lately!
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Alex Anthopoulos on the Fan590
we’re very reluctant to give long-term contracts to relievers
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYY
WAR... WAR never changes.
GREEK GOD OF TALKS
Thanks Alex for making me so excited for the second half of the season and beyond!
meh
I don’t think 2 weeks of good or bad play from anyone really changes the long term plans at all
WAR... WAR never changes.
i don't like how he doesn't have a picture in his head
seems like this was an impulse trade, it was good, but he doesn’t know what to do with these guys now lol
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you must be joking
he gave up essentially a depth starter and a decent reliever for a potential 4+ win player at a premium position. Eric Thames is probably nothing, though i’d love ot be proven wrong
WAR... WAR never changes.
exactly what part am i joking with
i am listening to him talk, he does not know what to do with them
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope but he saw an opportunity to gain a potential superstar and took it, now he’ll work out the trickle down effect. Not a bad move by him at all.
i never freaking said it was
all i said is i don’t like that he doesn’t have a plan currently for them.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And I agreed with that part, I was more directing the 2nd part of my statement to the person who first freaked out on you. I agree it was more of an impulse move as he made the move knowing it would cause a bit of a headache in the outfield in terms of having too many players, however he did this knowing adding the star player and then dealing with the leftovers later is the best way to do it. It would’ve been worse if he held off on the Rasmus trade until he could find a taker for Davis
especially if what the rays were offering too
i apologize.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yes aa is a straight shooter
he’s already said there are no other trades lined up
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Didnt he also say Drabek had no chance of being called up last year?
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by Frederick0220 on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
don't remember
but wouldn’t surprise me. besides, though, a September callup doesn’t really count since it’s often used to tack on innings to close-to-Majors pitching prospects since MiLB season ends in August
WAR... WAR never changes.
Yep he didn’t think he’d have the chance to move Davis or possibly Thames and now he has to deal with Teahen, as he won’t likely be a Jay for very long. Bottom line is AA made the trade knowing he created a logjam that he would now have to fix. Now he goes back to the phones to work out the next set of trades.
gives AA a few more days to clear up the log jam for sure… McCoy will probably go down for a pitcher to give us 13 players an 12 pitchers like most teams carry. Then AA will work the phones on Teahen and maybe even Davis and create an opening for Lawrie (DFA Teahen in about 2 weeks is my guess).
I think EE will be DFA’s before Teahan, and here is why. EE is a free agent, and Teahan is still under contract next year at $5.5 mil. They both can be backup 3rd and 1st as well as dh. Teahan’s contract is rather big to eat right now in my opinion.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
the only reason we got him was to eat the contract
it was as salary dump from the sox
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully we can find a trade partner for Teahen and make him bring Jo-Jo with him.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
AA is good.... but nobody is that good
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsf8LnThk5Y
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Lala land?
Hardly. It would require Rogers to put up about $105M in payroll next year, but probably doable. I may put up a fanpost on how later tonight.
they're all entering arbitration (Morrow might only have 2 more arb seasons after 2011)
which means they’ve got time, and if you need to trade them you trade them. we’ve got pitching depth
WAR... WAR never changes.
besides that
(dunno how accurate this is, but) Rogers has said they could bring the payroll up to like 140M if the players are right
WAR... WAR never changes.
the 105M figure includes likely arbitration awards for next year
and raises for the season after would mostly come from guys like Rauch, Davis, and Teahen coming off the books. I’ll fanpost it up soon.
Not next year.
I’m talking 4/5 years from now. Whatever contract Reyes or Fielder get will definitely be past that.
4 to 5 years from now
if we sign Reyes and Fielder we’ll have a World Series
WAR... WAR never changes.
With what pitching staff exactly?
And just because you win a world series doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be worried about setting the team up for success in the future.
you can't worry more than 4-5 years into the future
because that’s just so far from now. I’m not saying “spend indiscriminately” I’m saying “spend now so we can make a run while Bautista is still a monster.” it might handicap us a little bit in a few years, but I’d trade a young guy or two in a few years for some elite players now
WAR... WAR never changes.
Isnt that the cycle of things in sports? Spend to push to contend during a window and forfeit future to do so.
Not saying sell the farm but there is a tradeoff.
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or try to be the rays, have everything just work for one year, get lucky lol
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
which is my point
“or be the rays” they didn’t sell off
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ahh missed that
but I dunno if they should… they’re kind of stuck in that “very good, but not good enough” mode for now
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Right, but they couldnt keep their big relievers. Talking about trading Shields, lost Crawford…
They werent selling. Just not retaining.
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your not really taking into account
how much we’re spending on rookies and scouting and putting trades through like this that dont show up on payroll. we are spending lots and will need to have lots more when these prospects turn into allstars like a few of them will.
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Right but on any given team you can have what 9 all stars + Starters?
It isn’t like we have to budget for every one of the picks.
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no
but we wouldn’t have done what we did in that draft if we weren’t prepaired to spend way over the recommended to get most of those highschool players. this is our last year to possibly pull off a draft like this with rule changes possibly coming, i think the jays knew that and took full advantage.
either way spending as much and for the amount of years that BOTH reyes and fielder would want is just too much, we need to pay for tons of propsects coming, we don’t need those 2 guys to be overpaid for too long to be on the team. i can see going for 1, reyes, that gives us a great lineup 1-9 right away. but both is just overspending, we aren’t the yankees or redsox, we are taking a different method and need to follow through spending properly
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup as per Wilner
Escobar, Thames, Bautista, Lind, Encarnacion (Dh), Snider, Hill, Davis, JP
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
I love after everything that happened today we basically have the same lineup we would’ve had anyways.
none of the new guys won't be here in time.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Jul 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he can pull a Jeff Keppinger and show up half way through the game and start playing :)
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha that would be kinda creepy...but I guess you wouldn't be surprised if you played in the bigs.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy...Hech went 4-6 with a SB today..
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i noticed
thats great. and about time. hopefully he can build on that
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's start with contact
And move our way up to XBH
Also Hech is never going to be a power hitter, he’s going to be Ichiro in his approach which is get on base.
hes not going to be ichiro lol
he cant hit the ball all over the field to my knowledge, and ichiro has power and tons of extra base hitting, lots of shots to the gaps. its not like ichiro just bloops and slaps balls all the time, hes a great hitter, and if wanted to could prolly be a great power hitter but he just wants to get on base everytime
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it that way at first too
But then he says ‘in his approach’
So you’re both saying the same thing. They both are trying to get on base.
they're not comparable
ichiro can and does try to put the ball wherever he wants. right now hech is just happy to make contact, let alone get a hit, let alone put it somewhere he wants to on the field?
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard Hech has very good hand-eye coordination..
and usually makes contact, I think his hitting problems could be based off of his pitch selection, or maybe an adjustment the coaches wanted him to make in his swing during ST.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yah sorry I wasn’t clearer. Ichiro has more power than most power hitters… have you ever seen his BP? Hech will never be that good, but I meant Hech shouldn’t worry about hitting HR’s and XBH’s he should get on base and use his speed. If he can get a lot of singles and take walks for an OBP of .375 ish it doesn’t matter if his OPS is only .750 his glove will make him a high level SS
though actually
he doesn’t strike out much (only 14.4%, which is pretty good). could stand to take some walks, but his BABIP is super low – though in the Minors, it’s completely possible he hits too many grounders/IFFBs
WAR... WAR never changes.
Better than 0-6..
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
use the reply button please
and AA is always interested in everyone…
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
even this deal is out of nowhere. its been known that the jays have liked rasmus forever, but nobody saw this move coming, even if we did know we were intrested in rasmus, nobody had a clue it was happening
by TheMainEvent on Jul 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
This is a great trade for us. With our coaching staff Rasmus will become an allstar. When you think about it, we only lost 3 players who weren’t hired for the sole purpose of being stopgaps and future draft picks. We lose Frasor, who is getting up there in age, Scrabble, who while better thn expected wasnt amazing, and Stewart, who isnt as good as the other ptching prospects in our system just more major league ready. I’m gonna miss Scabble, but hey ya gotta make sacrifices
I think Scrabble has the potential to be amazing in the bullpen
He’s still young and he’s performed well this year.
I'll miss him :'(
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
THE KLAW
this guy knows baseball, and loves this deal for the jays!
amazing we can trade away our bullpen
and still potentially have like 10 guys vying for our bullpen lol
francisco, rauch, camp, janssen, perez, miller, tallet when he returns, ledezma?, reyes?, mills?
oh right, Camp
forgot he was still here. and yeah, that’s the beauty of bullpens
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