Links: Colby Rasmus
Everyone is writing about the Big Trade. And we all seem to have the same opinion: it was a great deal for the Blue Jays. Many are shocked that Corey Patterson found himself involved in the trade. Corey is a player we picked up for free, who wasn't supposed to make the team, played good for about 5 minutes and then turned back into Corey Patterson. I don't know why he didn't play better defense for us. I don't know why he kept trying to steal third, only to be thrown out each time. What he has to realize is that, as a 4th or 5th outfield, he only has value if he doesn't make dumb mistakes.
Anyway Links:
Fangraphs thinks the trade would be a little more even if the Cards use Scrabble as a starter:
Rzepczynski is called a LOOGY — and his 4.18 xFIP against righties, at first blush, doesn’t suggest that he can’t hack it in a full-time role. Sure, he’s not as good against them. His 9.47 K/9, 2.98 BB/9 and 60.3% GBs versus lefties is much better than his 7.65 K/9, 4.62 BB/9 and 52.2% GBs against right-handed hitters. But those numbers against righties aren’t terrible, especially if he can improve his control. Considering his better-than-average control against lefties — and consistently decent minor league walk rates — it’s not a stretch to imagine the 25-year-old in the Cards’ rotation at some point.
Keith Law says the trade is win for the Toronto Blue Jays - MLB - ESPN
The Cardinals, meanwhile, have made a terrible organizational move by allowing their aging manager to run off the best hitting prospect the team has produced since drafting Albert Pujols. Whether La Russa was mostly responsible or only shares responsibility with Rasmus and his father, it is clear that La Russa's my-way-or-the-highway mentality has hurt the organization for this year and several years to come with the Rasmus fiasco, and unfortunately the front office's decision to retain La Russa for 2011 has come back to haunt them. Rasmus has the potential to be a 5- to 6-win player at his peak, and there's no manager in baseball who can produce that kind of value.
More after the Jump.
John Lott has a Narration of the Colby Rasmus saga:
"This has gotten way too much attention … I don’t have an issue with Colby. I think he’s an outstanding player." – La Russa.
The Blue Jay Hunter talks about what the Blue Jays Gave Up to Get Colby Rasmus
To get talent, you have to give up talent ... it's just the cost of doing business. Try as you may, you can't trade a bag of baseballs for a top tier player.
Bruce Arthur's view from the National Post
Rasmus was available because of the La Russa feud, just as Yunel Escobar was available because he and Bobby Cox, among others, didn’t see eye-to-eye. Escobar was practically given a police escort out of Atlanta, and he went into last night’s game fourth among all major-league shortstops in OPS. The new market inefficiency, apparently, is young players whose teams have come to hate them.
The Star has the View from St. Louis: Expect to see a lot of Tony Rasmus with Colby:
ST. LOUIS—You may have heard that the Cardinals made a big trade Wednesday, shipping Colby Rasmus and Tony Rasmus to Canada. Why Toronto? Easy: Because Siberia doesn’t have a major-league baseball franchise. And the Cardinals clearly wanted to get Colby and his Daddy as far away as possible.
Baseball Prospectus (subscription required) has a Transaction Analysis: The Rasmus-Jackson Shuffle:
Toronto’s Rogers Centre is far friendlier to lefty power than Busch Stadium, so a home run boost is in store for Rasmus through the power of park factors alone. Whether getting out of the Cards’ clubhouse will raise Rasmus’s game in other ways is impossible to say, though it’s certain that any incidental improvement on the center fielder’s part will be tied to a narrative about his release from La Russian bonds. On the Jays’ end, the addition of Rasmus brings a merciful end to the low-OBP shenanigans of Corey Patterson and Rajai Davis and gives the team an enviable under-25 outfield with Rasmus flanked by Travis Snider in left and Eric Thames in right for years to come.
The Globe and Mail talks to Rajai Davis
When it was suggested to Davis that the Blue Jays outfield is about to become a bit more crowded now with Rasmus in town, the speedy outfielder just gave a little smile. "Oh that’s great, a great addition," Davis said. "Young talent, he’s got power, got the ability to hit. That’s a good addition for us."
The Southpaw likes the deal: Double Rainbows all the Way!:
In the final calculation, when you strip away the fungible guys, and the finances (which were key - Gerry pointed out on Batter's Box that if the Jays don't have case in reserve they can't do this deal) we traded a top 10 prospect (Stewart) and a very good LH reliever (Zep) for a potential All Star center fielder. That my friends is a good days work. In conclusion I can only say that for a committed roterbator such as myself, these are heady times.Jim Bowden thinks Cardinals will regret trading Rasmus, which worries me because I rarely agree with him:
Jim Bowden likes the deal, which worries me: Cardinals will regret trading Rasmus
The Blue Jays clearly win this deal acquiring a talent like Rasmus, who has all five tools and the ability to become a complete player with .900 OPS potential. His makeup has been questioned and his listening and learning skills need to improve. But he’s just 24 and veteran Jose Bautista will help him. For the Blue Jays to have acquired Brett Lawrie and Rasmus in the past 12 months has been an amazing job of trading by general manager Alex Anthopoulos, who continues his long-term planning in Toronto.
There are a million other voices talking about this trade, let us know about any good ones we missed. I'm going to take a couple of boys to see Captain America and get away from all this for a couple of hours.
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When I heard Cory Patterson was included...
I was shocked, shocked I tell you. Right then, right there I knew I must be wrong and there must be a God. Fortunately, that though quickly vanished and sanity returned.
by Mylegacy on Jul 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
When I heard Corey Patterson was included...
I just laughed.
The missing piece now, is another clubhouse guy
A real gritty, glue guy like Millar would help us all reach our potential.
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
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I think Kevin is still out there...
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Not in the least
Should I have used the sarcasm font?
2011 Jays slogan should be "Power and Speed", not just "Hustle and Heart".
Proud member of the AL North
@VagabondBansal
it should be serious
the all knowing pat tabler suggested it too
Probably should use the font, or talk! like! this! make it outrageous! so its obvious!
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 28, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, we just got Brian Tallet back. He should fill in for Kevin
by Political Machine on Jul 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Stairs was released by the nationals
jays should bring back the professional hitter
by lifeinthebloodstream on Jul 28, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Frag on Jul 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the Jays should sign him to a 1-day contract...
…so that he can retire a Jay. Then have a massive Matt Stairs retirement promotion an give out “Use Stairs in case of Emergency” shirts to the first 25,000 fans, nah, heck give EVERY fan in attendance a shirt.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
why would he retire a Jay
he played here for, like, two unspectacular seasons. if he wanted to retire with someone it’d be the A’s, probably
on a side note, he was an unbelievably poor fielder
WAR... WAR never changes.
Just looking for a marketing/promotion opportunity
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 29, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they counted him as a3B...
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
You're asking spotwriters to think ahead, man. that's not in their Job description.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
*sportwriters, that is... Although, come to think of it, SPOTwriters might fit the bill for some of them...
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
i'm not going to lie
im happy to finally see some Thames love. Even if they forgot about lawrie at third.
I would love to just rotate these guys around using the DH spot, leave ee on the bench.
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know but this article is basically adressing the long-term (probably even short-term) future of the Jays and i’m sure they didn’t make Lawrie switch to third if that wasn’t his future bag and Bats in RF! Personally I wish they’d throw Lawrie back @ 2B and Bats @ 3rd with Thames in RF
by Andrew Mitton on Jul 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
in a perfect world sure
but the fact is lawrie doesn’t have the Defence to play 2nd.
/sadface
by Bowling_Guy25 on Jul 28, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If I see one more poster suggest move Lawrie back to 2B...
…I’m going to need a new monitior. “IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN” He’s simply not that good defensively.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
proofread fail!
If I see one more poster suggests moving Lawrie back to 2B…
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
even the second time!
I wish SBN allowed post editing.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Never gonna happen.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
I'll help you guys out
Lawrie will not be a 2B. He’s a 3B now, maybe an OF in the future.
McGowan will be a starting pitcher if he comes back. His arm cannot withstand the uncertainty of a RP role.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
I hear Jon Rauch is playing the Hulk. And Roy Halliday plays the villain, Low-key.
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by Blue Feathers on Jul 28, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean Raz right?
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Raz is not much of a nickname, IMO. Joseph, I'm sure you can come up with something better than that.
We can honor Tony, and nickname Colby “Who’s Your Daddy?”
Or honor Patterson (Why?) and nickname Colby “CoRa” (Or “CoRas”, but that rhymes with Boras… ewww…)
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Bowling_Guy found it on VEB so…
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Oh I was just pointing out that I didn’t find the nickname Raz, Bowling_Guy did, I suggested CoRa, but someone said it was ‘the worst firstname, lastname’ nickname they’ve ever heard, so I went with Raz.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
like neilrqm said (below) - Cora is his grandma's name...
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Too reminiscent of CoPa
I’m trying to wipe the Corey Patterson era from my memory.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
I’m Escobar was names “Yulazy” at the Braves blog… We can be creative.
On that note: Do you think VEB will use “Scrabble”?
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Wow..that's pretty bad.
But I’m not sure, maybe they will, we told them that’s what we called him..so you never know?
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In a new reaction post on VEB
blaming LaRussa for the trade, they put brackets by Zep’s name and said “(apparently they call him scrabble)”. So it’s up to groupthink now!
Guynance - Goin straight nuts on your mind's lady parts
by Sharkridingbear on Jul 28, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
So it is a big honor to Colby.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
Cora is also...
… the name of the person that makes my breakfast every Saturday morning.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It might make the Cards fans feel better to think of Chris Carpenter as an early part of this deal.
by neilrqm on Jul 28, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts on the trades
I have been digesting everything and reading tons of posts here, on VEB, and ESPN.
First of all, who is Teahen’s agent? I was looking at his career stats and how does he have a 5.5 million dollar contract for next season?!?
You have to look at the moves as two separate deals. Didn’t Chicago come out ahead with Stewart/Frasor for Jackson/Teahen?
As for Stewart, some posters here are saying he is no more than a middle of the rotation starter or maybe he will have to go to the bullpen. But the BBB prospects list has him at number 3, ahead of JPA/Gose/Thames/D’Arnaud. Okay, that list may not be up to date, but he is only 24 and he wasn’t a small piece to give up.
Some are saying Rasmus could hit 40 HR in a year or two.
Bottom line:
I think the Jays did come out ahead overall, but there was no steal here. We had to take on salary, gave up Stewart/Scrabble (I also think he can be a starter), and lost a draft pick or two I believe. And more moves will need to follow – maybe not now – because of surplus in the outfield (I hope the team gives Thames a long look).
It doesn't have to be a "steal" in order to be a "Win"
AA keeps repeating that he’s trying to make a Win-Win trades. Not to fleece anyone. It’s bad for future GM relationships.
THAT is what makes the man such a genius.
That, and the ability to identify what someone called today “The new baseball market inefficiency: Young talented players that don’t get along with their managers” (Read: Colby & Yunel)
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
And that...
That, and the ability to identify what someone called today "The new baseball market inefficiency: Young talented players that don’t get along with their managers" (Read: Colby & Yunel)
is the true essence of Moneyball.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at them as one deal
I doubt the Jays would have made the Chicago deal independently of the Cards deal. For the Jays, it’s one trade, or at least that’s the proper way to look at it.
But for the White Sox and Cards, there are two separate trades. In baseball metaphysics, 1 can equal 2.
no, because, to be honest, we were hyping up stewart more than the average baseball fan, which is understandable since he's a jays prospect
KLaw still thinks he could be a midrotation starter, and sickels is high on him too, but guys like KG have a point: he’s 24, bordering 25, and hasn’t even dominated double A. Jackson could’ve netted a better prospect. he was not a consensus top 50 prospect either.
Rasmus, on the other hand, reached the majors at a young age, and has a 4+ WAR season already under his belt. He was a top prospect, #3 in all of baseball pre-2009. His ceiling is worth giving up a couple picks, 2 back of the rotation starters/relivers, and a couple million. we’ll see about the PTBNL
COLBY RASMUS
GOT IT!!!!!!!
Escobar 6 rasmus 8 bautista 5 lind 3 encarnacion dh thames 9 hill 4 snider 7 arencibia 2 villanueva 1
by McBluejays on Jul 28, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It does.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assaults of thought on the unthinking." (J.M Keynes)
That is a sexy lineup.
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...it doesn't look to pretty right now..
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- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
its too bad that 1-2 best are found in the Yanks and Sox………..I can’t wait for expanded playoffs and/or realignment
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I don't know
I almost hope for one more non-expanded year, just to show its possible. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but just for pride’s sake.
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I had a dream that the All-star game consisted almost entirely of Blue Jays (Lawrie, Rasmus, Bautista, Lind, Escobar, Romero, Morrow, Drabek) and that the Yankees’ sole representative was Derek Jeter who had to be carried onto the field by members of the Baltimore Orioles.
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by Curt S on Jul 28, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think this will be the time to judge Thames as a hitter..
Because when hes batting 2nd they’re obviously not gonna walk him with Jose next up, now that hes farther back in the batting order, lets see if he can show some patience, but keep hitting well.
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
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"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We lost a Scrabble.
Luckily, AA always comes prepared, as the Jays have a great Scrabble depth chart:
1. Asher Wojciechowski
2. Jeremy Gabryszwski
AA knows what he’s doing!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Indeed...
COLBY RASMUS…oh, and good morning :D
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
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by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG
hideki irabu died.
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/28/138797821/former-yankees-pitcher-irabu-found-dead?ft=1&f=1001
COLBY RASMUS
hey guys.
cardinals fan here. you guys laughed at the imagined phone conversation i wrote yesterday. glad to provide some humor.
treat colby well. i’m happy for him; tlr wanted him run out of town on a rail, so if colby had spent longer in st. louis, it probably would not have been pleasant.
your GM is a god.
nicknames:
razzums
razzle-dazzle
clobby
home runs he hits are colby jacks
that’s all for now. sorry for how stream-of-consciousness this post is.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
that's fine too.
i normally just call him colby, anyway.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
he wants to play this october
but even if we make the playoffs, that’s no sure thing.
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
Could we go with Rasamanaz?
Or is getting a slightly altered Nazareth song as a Jays nickname just a pipedream?
Lol nice.
Rec’d
"If you are not sure, ask yourself, "What would Ted do?" Then do the opposite."
- Barney Stinson
I do occasionally go on Youtube...
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 28, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you canadians all wear berets
right?
/tired canadian jokes
"I don't know where Cueto learned to fight."-- Chris Carpenter
do not mess with yadi f. molina
I know. Courtesy of having way too much time on my hands the last half hour…
Blue Feathers
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