I don't even believe that: Jays lose to Indians
by Tom Dakers on Jul 7, 2011 11:14 PM EDT
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So we go into the 9th up 4-0. Frank Francisco comes in and gives up a single, double and walk to load the bases. Farrell takes him out for Luis Perez. I really don't like using Perez in that spot, but after being down 3-1 to Michael Brantley, he battles back for a strike out. Now there is a right hander up and I'm expecting a pitching change. But no and Asdrubal Cabrera singles, tying run is now on first. Then, first pitch to Travis Hafner is a thigh high, middle of the zone fastball and Haftner hit it a mile.
I really don't understand using Perez. I really don't. Perez has been way better than we had any right to think he'd be, but that's not the spot he should have been in.
It wrecked a great start by Carlo Villanueva. 6 shutout innings, 6 hits, 2 walks, 7 strikeouts. He did get a bit of luck, here and there but then pitching well brings it's own luck. Marc Rzepczynski and Jason Frasor gave us 2 scoreless innings then, well you know.
We got what should have been enough offense. Jose Bautisa had a solo homer. Edwin Encarnacion had 3 hits. Aaron Hill and J.P. Arencibia had 2 hits each. Yunel Escobar took 2 walks. We really should have won easy.
Jays of the Day are Carlos (.308 WPA) and Hill (.108). Suckage? Perez (-.826) and Frank (-.108). I think Farrell earns one too.
I'm glad I'm taking tomorrow's game off. We are going to take in the 'Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth'. But Jessef will be around for your dining and dance pleasure. Jo-Jo (3-7, 4.85) goes against Mitch Talbot (2-5, 5.60). It can't be worse than tonight.
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How much blame does Arencibia take for pitch selection?
All 11 pitches Perez threw were fastballs.
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
All were right around the middle of the plate also.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
His best pitch is his fastball.
But if all your throwing is fastball, it’s not that difficult to recognize what your gonna throw next, which is why Carlos Villanueva is such an effective pitcher, he’ll any of his pitches at any time, I think JPA shoulda throw in a couple more sliders and changeups.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The catcher could just leave the pitch sign up and if he shakes it off take a visit to the mound and tell him to throw it.
But I guess JPA was gonna let him do it himself, I wonder if Jose might’ve done something different.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen Bull Durham?
"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman
by Jeremiah Stanghini on Jul 8, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and I think I've seen Jose Molina do that in person.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Pitcher: “That was so weird, it’s like he knew what I was pitching?”
Catcher: “He did know what your pitching.”
Pitcher: “How?”
Catcher: “I told him :)”
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Yeah...
Crash is quite a character.
"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman
by Jeremiah Stanghini on Jul 8, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
That was absolutely ridiculous..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Asdrubal Cabrera
Is a switch hitter… i dont know if hes better lefty or righty but maybe that factored into farrell’s decision to keep perez in? Then again it could just be farrell being farrell at this point.
Much better numbers this year against righties
Though for his career he’s been pretty much even.
I can’t really blame Farrell for that inning, to be honest. He didn’t let Francisco blow it on his own, and going to the lefty for those 3 hitters was the right move, even if it didn’t turn out so well.
Well...I'm not sure why you would put in a rookie pitcher in the first place..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, kind of a stupid move there, I'm sure Camp/Rauch could've done better, maybe even Dotel..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Perez has been effective all year long
His xFIP is 2.97 (yesterday’s fiasco included), he has a 2K/1BB ratio and has been getting ground balls at a 67% rate. His xFIP- is 75, which means (if I understand correctly) he is 25% better than the average pitcher.
On the downside, he has had as many meltdowns as shutdowns. His ERA is around 4 and so is his FIP
To me, Luis Perez looks like far more than a marginal major league reliever. He’s done a pretty good job in his role. Sometimes, relief pitchers fail. This one was pretty spectacular, but Farrell did not put him in a great spot, coming in with the bases juiced.
Doesn’t help when hes a rookie and has only appeared in 20 games..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Sure,
But it was a lefty who hit the grand slam who has a fairly big split against lefties. He was our best option to pitch to a lefty. For Cabrera, he is a switch hitter who only hits lefties slightly better then righties.
It certainly is our right to complain about managerial decisions, and I’m all for it when things go wrong, but… if we bring in Rauch or Camp and the same thing happens we are mad because they pitched the night before. WTF Farrell! If it is Dotel and the same thing happens he sucks against lefties. WTF Farrell! If it is Perez he is just a rookie. WTF Farrell!!!.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Jul 8, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
the dotel thing is accurate
the night before is a stretch.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he's a rookie
who has pitched very well and has good splits. end of discussion, not farrell’s fault
WAR... WAR never changes.
You're right
However, I’d argue that part of the problem with using a rookie is not that he’s overwhelmed or anything, but that we have very little information about how well he actually pitches.
Personally, I don’t think I’m willing to hang my hat on the 30 major league innings Perez has pitched.
On the other hand, his splits are particularly encouraging regarding use as a LOOGY. Unfortunately, we’re talking about 60 batters.
All in all, I don’t put this one on Farrell’s decision as much as I put it on horrible pitching by Francisco. It is obvious that Jack Hannahan is looking for a walk in that situation — let him hit the damn ball — even if he homers (as he has a whopping 1.7% of AB in his career), the Jays still have the lead.
That said, one thing I do wonder about is whether or not Perez was fully warmed up. This could explain why he threw exclusively fastballs and why he fell behind Michael Brantley early in the count.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
Well said Jess.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
I do want a good closer and Bell is pretty good but
i don’t think i would trade prospect(assuming they want top ones) for a closer, and Bell is already 33 so he might suddenly lose it
Nah
Don’t want to overpay for a reliever, as rough as things seem now.
Before long one will emerge internally, and with the pitching depth the team has, I can easily see that being Zack Stewart or Henderson Alvarez (I know Alvarez is the hot name as a prospect now, but I have my concerns about him sticking as a starter unless he can really develop his curve ball. Can see him becoming a great closer though.)
I agree completely
Whether the game is blown in the seventh, eighth, or ninth, the result is the same. The most important thing is to have a balanced bullpen.
For those who believe that the closer should be the best pitcher, though, why not use Frasor?
by Defense Counts! on Jul 7, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
OT - Rangers fan died during a game
http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/watch-a-rangers-fan-go-tumbling-over-the-outfield-fence/
Those A’s broadcasters surely must regret laughing about the incident after the news of the man’s death broke out.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Want to know what's worse?
I think that’s the guy’s son right next to him.
Awful.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
He was awake when he was being carted off
So I guess it’s better than watching him die instantly after the fall =\
Ball.
He was also a firefighter… this is so heartbreaking, trying to catch a ball thrown by Josh Hamilton for his son.
Lone star ball and Halos Heaven are planning on doing some sort of fundraiser for the family.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
this is a nice post http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/8/2265623/what-really-matters
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry for the multiple posts
but its really heartwrenching, probably should read it when you are at home, i can’t stop thinking about it
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
F***
I read it at work… I’m really having trouble focusing now. Great, great read though.
I'm thinking that when the Leafs win the Cup, I'll lose my drinking problem.
by leafsfan4life94 on Jul 8, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
if you want to change your mood
go to the A’s blog and read some of those comments… they have a couple of fans there that i’d like to talk too. inconsiderate asfaf8qytghapdsf
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Beautifully written
Really puts everything else in perspective. The Jays lost a baseball game last night; that little boy lost so much more.
Here's another post that might have you crying
…it did me.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2011/7/8/2266429/the-power-of-the-game
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 8, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
puts my complaining about this loss into perspective.
by leaflover4ever on Jul 8, 2011 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice eh
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by mlse
#Blue Jays’ Frank Francisco makes real class move. Asks reporters if they want to talk to him. They say yes and he tells them to f*** off.
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Hopefully that's what Anthopoulos tells him as he hands him his walking papers
Though, as much as it sucks, he’ll get us a comp pick after the year, so may as well hold on.
Maybe AA should talk to Reagins to see if he's interested in Frankie
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
With his numbers this year
would he actually get a comp pick…
The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Doubt it. 4 things have to happen first
Francisco has to maintain Type B status; the Jays have to offer him arbitration, he has to turn down arbitration and another team has to sign him to an MLB contract. Not so sure all of those things would happen. I know I wouldn’t offer him arbitration at this point.
he'd get a contract for sure
his career numbers are pretty excellent. but I’m not sure he’d turn down arbitration if offered
WAR... WAR never changes.
We need Rauch to give him a lesson...seeing that he is the only guy on the team bigger than him.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s the same thing most Jays fans want to say to you, Frankie Frank.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Jul 7, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
looks even worse considering Farrell was harping about accountability the last game and FF pulls this stunt
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by LeafFan1989 on Jul 7, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’ll be hilarious if we find out that Francisco is traded to the Kansas City Royals tomorrow.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Not if it's for Mike Moustakas?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
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Remove all spaces.
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
As long as we get Joakim Soria and Robinson Tejada and, maybe Tim Collins to make it fair.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to add Little Timmy Collins to even things out!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
Exactly, then they won't get a complete steal of it..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was pretty funny
totally a dick move, but totally hilarious. I wish i coulda seen it in person.
I think that would also be kinda funny to watch, lol.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Check out Brandon League's swag?
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I miss Brandon League
Although I prefer having Morrow.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Ummmmmm WHAT?
Good thing I wasn’t around, I would have been banned.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 7, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I was tempted to drop teh f bomb.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This?
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
by Frag on Jul 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly!
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Las Vegas Report...
David Cooper: 1-1, BB
Yan Gomes: 0-1, BB
These are the only Las Vegas hitters to reach base through 4 innings, with Lenny DiNardo on the mound, Scott Richmond isn’t exactly backing up the offense.
Scott Richmond: 5 IP, 9 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 2 BB, 1 SO, 2 HR
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
We need a hero!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr
that game is free!!
but its10gb….hard to get it with all the caps =(
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I downloaded it at work!
@BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 8, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder if i can sneak in my PC to work...
i guess i could get it on my laptop… but thats lame
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Only because Jeroloman went to the DL...I think.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Adam Loewen gets the second hit on the night for the 51’s on a ground ball up the middle.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
7-1 Sacramento
Adam Loewen scores on a RBI double by Jason Lane.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Trystan Magnuson replaces Lenny DiNardo for the Sacramento River Cats.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Urgh
Finally got my 6 week old baby to stop crying; then the Slam; and I start crying and that made her cry some more.
Las Vegas Report...
Ronald Uviedo in now for the 51’s.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
A solid inning for him.
-Strikes out Matt Carson
-Jermaine Mitchell singles to LF
-Strikes out Josh Donaldson (who I recall either got their first HR or hit against the Jays at RC)
-Daric Barton flies out to Darin Mastroianni.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 7, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
2nd inning of relief for Ronald Uviedo..
-Uviedo plunks Kouzmanoff with a 94mph fastball
-Kouzmanoff steals second
-Michael Taylor flies out, Kouzmanoff advances to 3rd, 1 out.
-Jai Miller flies out, Kouzmanoff comes home, 2 out.
-Adrian Cardenas grounds out to Uviedo, 3 out.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Uviedo's third inning of relief..
-Strikes out Andy LaRoche, 1 out.
-Strikes out Matt Carson, 2 out.
-Strikes out Jermaine Mitchell, 3 outs.
Great inning of relief right here.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Top of the 9th inning...
-Uviedo strikes out Josh Donaldson, 1 out.
-Daric Barton grounds out to David Cooper, 2 out.
-Uviedo strikes out Kevin Kouzmanoff, 3 outs.
A great appearance for Ronald Uviedo here, 4 innings in the PCL allowing 1 run and striking out 7, that is outstanding.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
…and who did Donaldson get his first HR off of at Rogers Center…Dana Eveland, the man who brought Uviedo over here to the Blue Jays orgranization.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Circle of life, haha
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Bottom of the 7th inning..
-Yan Gomes strikes out swinging, 1 out.
-Darin Mastroianni walks.
-Manny Mayorson grounds into a 6-4-3 double play, 3 outs.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom of the 8th inning..
-Jerry Blevins strikes out David Cooper, 1 out.
-Ryan Shealy pops up to 2B, 2 out.
-Jerry Blevins strikes out Adam Loewen, 3 outs.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course Wilner was defending FF a few days ago
@Wilnerness590 Mike Wilner
By the way – leading off an inning, opponents are hitting .391/.400/.696 against Francisco this season. #notatypo #Bluejays #jays
Ball.
why wouldn't you defend him prior to tonight?
prior to today he had given up runs (maybe only one, actually) in like one of his past ten appearances
WAR... WAR never changes.
Even excluding tonight though, those slash lines would have been terrible
Looking at one stat to defend him and then another to blast him. I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been defended if he was doing well, but he wasn’t and just focusing on the ER stat was misleading people
Ball.
Francisco???
He’s been just awful over the past 7 weeks or so. Over that time he’s given up 12 earned runs on 25 hits in 13 1/3 innings. He’s come into 13 games with the Jays either tied or leading and he’s coughed up the lead in 5 of those (not including last night’s little gem). He’s been good though in mop up duty (4 scoreless appearances).
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
How about this nuggett
Real class move by Frankie. Asks reporters if they want him to talk. They say yes, he tells them to f*** off
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 8, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh.
Sorry :(
I’ll never post again :’(
I RUINED THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter.
by craig in calgary on Jul 8, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
no, I think that was a joint effort
between Francisco and Perez
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
Agreed, they were awful.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It would have been awesome if he had pulled off a Ricky from TPB
“Knock Knock”. “Who’s there”? “F*** Off”
Haha..I love that show so much.
Gotta love Rickysms
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Hes actually doing a real nice job thus far for Seattle for a closer replacement.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He saves number is pretty good and the WHIP but the Ks aren't that high
I agree he’s has done a nice job but i don’t think he is all star worthy, do you?
Hmm..no not really, they're probably better options.
Not taking anything away from Brandon though, hes having quite a good year, and it’s good that hes getting tons of groundballs with that splitter this year, that pitch he has got down pat this year.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
not an all star
but a very useful reliever for sure. i don’t think his walk rate is sustainable though
Choose me, Ash!
It'll likely go up some
but his strand-rate should spike, it’s currently under 60%, whereas — for a pitcher with his peripherals — it should be at least 70%. I’d say, if anything, his ERA makes him look underwhelming right now.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
/cry
its all I got
37. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'I need to reload.'
Well played Ian, well played..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
by Joseph Kirby on Jul 8, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
it hurts i tells ya, it hurts like a ......
would it be the greatest overreaction to go out and get the best closer money can buy? i can imagine us being 3-4 games better with a half decent one.
At this point i think there is more of chance we get a closer internally from the minors
rather than signing a type A closer or trading one
Nah after the whole B.J. Ryan fiasco I don't think the Jays are ready to commit long term to any closer
The vast majority of closers and other relievers seem to have a lot of ups and downs in their careers. A dominant closer like Ryan can go bust very easily.
There aren’t a lot of Mariano Riveras out there.
@BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 8, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
as much as it sucks when we lose games in the 9th
there are much more important holes to fill in the roster before we spend on a high-leverage reliever (namely: DH, CF, 2B probably)
WAR... WAR never changes.
Lady Bloggers, don't look at this, it'll drive you crazy...man JP is one handsome man.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
I think that actually looks pretty sick.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Those are racing stripes
Makes him go faster.
@BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 8, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
By the way, anyone know what you would classify this cut as?
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
What kind of hair cut do you choose for a Faux Hawk even?
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
You can ask the hairdresser for it… usually at least although it seems you have to get lucky with who you get as some just can’t get it right and it looks weird
Hm...
Interesting situation we have at closer with Frankie F..a lot of people over there on the Blue Jays Message Board want him to be traded or released right now after pitching so…(lack of a better word here) shitty last night, and then after the reporters said they wanted to talk to him and he told them to F off.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
i don't see the point of releasing him or trading him right now
he’s at his lowest possible value. Maybe wait the season out and he could pull off a type B
Choose me, Ash!
I agree, he had low value, but after this little incident, any of that value has totally disappeared.
Well, hopefully he can bounce back and have a couple good appearance, but I’m not sure if I would keep at closer, and John should never put a rookie pitcher with barely a month of experience in the 9th inning with the bases load.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
That was probably AA’s plan all along. Might as well get used to seeing Rauch, Francisco, Dotel for the rest of the year because they’re not going anywhere. They’ll all be gone after this year and we’ll have the Type B picks.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
by JaysfanDL on Jul 8, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Although...
I expect that AA will pick up the phone and give Frankie Franc an earful about media relations.
Really, the bargain dollar relief corps has done pretty much what you should expect. Pitched decent innings with the occasional spectacular hiccup.
AA went the veteran route for these guys to protect his young starters. I expect similar for next year but the names on the back of the jerseys will change.
Never say that somethin couldn't get any worse
His value could actually go down even further if he keeps this up. At this point I don’t see him being worth a draft pick. Assuming he pulls off Type B status, the Jays have to offer him arbitration, he has to turn it down and another team has to sign him to an MLB contract. the jays can’t be so sure that he would turn down arbitration at this point. If he keeps coughing up leads and he’s blocking someone from coming up from the monirs, I say cut ties with him.
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
Isn't he supposed to play in the Futures Game again?
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
Gose takes his spot ;)
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
I doubt it.
But yeah, that would be pretty awesome for all of us to actually get some live action of him.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
That's awesome
someone asked Keith Law on his chat yesterday if the Angels should call Trout up. KLaw said that Trout could probably help them this year.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
90% of the fans at HH
believe its a great move, and they can’t wait to go see him tonight… I’d be a little more worried about rushing the kid. They said Bourjous? (sp) was going to be a week maybe, but now speculation is he will be gone for three weeks.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I should know better
i went to bed after the 8th, thinking “Hmm I’m tired, up 3-0? we got this. zZzZzZzZz”
Mine too
I turned off the TV after the top of the 9th. My wife asked me if I was going to watch the rest of the game, and I said “No, the only exciting things could happen would be bad or the Jays. Better to go to sleep knowing they’ve won”
-- Gravity is not just the law, it's also a good idea
by mathesond on Jul 8, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BOWLING_KID...
FRANCISCO’S TEMPER TANTRUM WAS ALL YOUR FAULT, Oh yeah..and us losing the game..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
pfft
i have found at least 5 other people who also turned it off
>_>
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I followed...
the game on gameday, while I was unpacking and doing other things around the house.
I flipped on the game to see Bautista’s at-bat in the ninth (a thing of beauty)… then I went to bed expecting that it was “in the bag” up 4-0…. lol
Was pretty shocked to wake up to the BBB article “I don’t even believe…”
I didn’t believe either. lol
"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman
by Jeremiah Stanghini on Jul 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
ok what are you doing to use the font? the header tags?
all the posts below this are now all in bold….
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
FARRELL is the issue
His timing is horrible. He makes moves when he shouldn’t and doesn’t make them when he should. He sometimes micro-manages and sometimes doesn’t get involved. How many times this season do we see our starters or relievers be hung out to dry by themselves without a chat by him or Bruce? When Romero was cruising against Boston 2 days ago, then got 4 straights hits, not a single time did the pitching coach or Farrell himself went out an TALK to him. This happened yesterday as well with Francisco and Perez.
Also, didn’t he say he was going to “shake things up”? I still only see the same 2 closer options being used; Francisco and Rauch. Why don’t we try someone else?
by Marcos Montenegro on Jul 8, 2011 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
farrell is part of the issue
i don’t like what he did last night, but the ones who blew it were francisco and perez
Choose me, Ash!
That would work.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
didnt we try that last year
and he was disaster? I guess we could try again.
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions
he blew 2 of 5 saves in the 1st week of April 2010
after going 11/14 in 2009.
He has a stronger case for the closer’s job going forward than FF, in my opinion.
by mike in boston on Jul 8, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He can start at mop up and work his way back up.
I don’t even know what’s wrong with him. He just sort of lost all ability…
he's striking guys out, he's walking guys at about the same rate as his career, he's getting unlucky on FB/HR and balls in play.
the LD% against him is ridiculously high right now. can’t imagine that will continue
Choose me, Ash!
which is weird
because he played in texas,, you figure he’d give up more HR then usual
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
maybe its the crap hitting in the al west
i dunno. he’s got better days ahead for sure though. he’s not this bad
Choose me, Ash!
High LD% and FB/HR will continue to be ridiculously high
if he keeps throwing the way he’s throwing. Both of those stats are the result of opposing batters hitting the ball hard off him and have nothing to with bad luck. BABIP can sometimes be used to indicate bad luck IF there are no underlying factors causing it. People sometimes make the mistake of thinking a high BABIP is always bad luck. But if a pitcher is pitching deep into counts and giving up lots of line drives, walks and HRs, that’s a pretty good indication that its not luck. Rather he’s not fooling anyone.. and he’s not fooling anyone because his pitches aren’t good enough. maybe there’s been a drop in velocity, lack of movement on his pithces or his control is off.
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
high BABIP is not always bad luck
but BABIP in increasingly large samples, when we can be fairly sure the reason isn’t poor defense, becomes more and more likely to be bad luck (especially considering his past results, and on LD% which is almost completely random)
WAR... WAR never changes.
Funny.....think?
If this was a year ago, I’m 150% sure you would’ve been talking about Brian Tallet.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
He'll get offered arbitration
He was a type A last year and thanks to his so-so performance this year, he slips to Type B. Somebody will pick him up. There are always desperate teams that overpay for relievers in the offseason.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
we can release him for about a sixth his arb award
in spring training. then he’s signing for the minimum somewhere
not necessarily . . .
doesn’t he become a free agent who can sign with one of a number of interested parties for whatever the highest bidder will pay?
I may be wrong about that. Either way, I do think you are right — he can likely get a much better deal in the offseason if he rejected arbitration than he could if he accepted arbitration and was cut.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
tough day to be a baseball fan.....
even tougher to be a rangers fan
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
How much longer does Francisco have left on this team?
I know people have constantly been saying that he’s a better pitcher than he’s shown in his time here (unlucky, etc.), but at what point does that stop being the case? We’re more than halfway through the season now – I think it’s time to end this experiment. His pitching has been bad enough, but to me the final nail in the coffin was his totally classless remarks after the game last night. We don’t need anyone like that on this team.
Pfft....he'll stay on the team....
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
As predicted, we're #1
on the Fangraphs recaps today: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-morning-after-game-recaps-for-july-7th/
For those who don’t read these recaps often, the game with the biggest WPA swing is usually at the top of the article. It doesn’t get much bigger than +.807.
You mean...
MINUS 0.807
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 8, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
But here...
…our POV is the Jays’ POV.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Jul 10, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Was there a game last night?
Pretending it didn’t happen makes it hurt just as much.
Like that one weekend last month... (the games that "didn't" happen against the BoSox)?
"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman
by Jeremiah Stanghini on Jul 8, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
11 games back
Could be a rough second half unless someone makes some trades.
I know they weren’t going to contend but it has been ugly.
How many blown saves do they have this year?
Yeah, this ^
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." - Jackie Robinson
why is the second half going to be rough?
we have thames and snider… lawrie soon….
going to be a slightly different, and better team
by bowling_kid25 on Jul 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
11 games back of what?
Some goal no one was trying to achieve?
@BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Jul 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
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