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Tuesday Night Baseball in Vegas.

Tuesday's game in Vegas didn't seem quite as hot as Monday's, or I'm getting used to it. By game time the sun is low enough that the stands are all in shadow so it isn't too bad to watch a game. Even with it not being so hot, they didn't have much of a crowd at the game. Announce at 3,000 and some, I don't believe it. I'd be surprised if there were 2,000 people there. 

It was a fun game, the 51's won 10-6. No home runs in this one. It is funny, the park is huge, it is 433 to center field and 364 to the power alleys and the outfield wall is high and yet there are of home runs hit there. There is a ton of outfield to cover. If it was a major league park, you'd want three very fast outfielders to cover all the ground. Also there is a ton of foul ground both up the first base and third base line. 

Travis Snider went 4 for 5 sans mustache. His second at bat came with the bases loaded, he hit a ball down the left field line, that landed about 10 feet from the wall, I figured he had a triple, but the umpire called it foul. I had a pretty good view of it and thought it was fair, but with the 3 umpire system that they use in Triple-A, it was the plate umpire's call, he had a lot of things going on with runners coming to the plate.  The next pitch Travis pulled for 2 run single to right. It seemed like he decided that if he wasn't going to get the call to left field, he'd try right. He had a really good game, 4 hard hits and a fly out, 4 RBI, 2 stolen bases and he played center field. I keep calling him Moonraker, hoping it will catch on. One at bat, there was a time out and the umpire said something to Travis and he just shrugged in response. Course I figured that the umpire was asking why some idiot was calling him Moonraker every at bat. Don't worry, I'm far less annoying than the guy that brings a couple of dozen noise makers to each game (trumpet, hand bells, whistles). A few of us were talking about borrowing his bag of annoying sound makers and a players bat and putting it all out of our misery. 

Mike McCoy had 2 hits and 2 walks, and was thrown out stealing. David Cooper went 2 for 4 with a double. Darin Mastroianni was 4 for 5, with a double and a triple, He's been pretty hot the last little bit, he's hitting .378 for August. He got off to a slow start this year, nice to see him turn it around.  I still really like him for a fourth outfielder, great speed and great defense. Our old friend, Jayson Nix, was 2 for 5 with 3 RBI. I wish I had a nickname for him that I could yell out each at bat, but all the names I have for him I can't say out loud at a game with a bunch of kids around. Brian Jeroloman was 1 for 3 with a walk and a double. Adam Loewen was 0 for 5,no strikeouts. 

Chad Gaudin made his first start for the 5`'s and really didn't impress, 3 innings, 4 hits, 2 walks, 1 k and 3 earned. He didn't look like someone the Jays would be calling up anytime soon. Rommie Lewis pitched the last 2 inning perfect innings. The park radar had his fastball in the 94-95 range. 

Yesterday I forgot to mention that Danny Farquhar pitched the 9th inning. That's the first time I'd seen him pitch and he was great, he struck out the side around a single. He threw straight side arm and the radar had him at 95. I can't imagine he'd be fun to face if you were right-handed batter. He was fun to watch. 

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why don't you tweet to snider?

tell him you are the old man yelling moonraker and why?

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 10, 2011 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Did there happen to be a man in white in Vegas?

A day that will live in infamy: August 4th, 2011
Brett Lawrie: AVG: .357 HR: 1 RBI: 2 OBP: .357 WPA: 0.003

by jays182 on Aug 10, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Korecky pitched before Farquhar in yesterday's game, how did his game look?

He was just recently elevated from AA, looks like the Jays are checking him out to see if he has the stuff for a late inning guy.

by transmogrifier on Aug 10, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He pitched 2 good inning

walked 2 in his first inning but was helped out by Jeroloman catching a basestealer. He had 1 k and didn’t allow anything hit hard.

by Tom Dakers on Aug 10, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snider

I noticed you asked for an interview. Did he grant you one? Or were you able to talk to anyone else from the squad? Players/managers/coaches?

by Rhinos on Aug 10, 2011 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Why havent they traded Mastro by now?

I guess no takers – but I find that hard to believe as he can hit, run and throw.
He is just rotting away in Vegas

They protected him on the 40 man – but didnt give him any time in spring training even tough he had two excellent years and a great winter in Venezuela- Then – they shuffled him off to Double A when they imported tired old retreads – all of whom are gone now.

Its like they are just warehousing the guy.

Gotta be frustrating for a player like that to just watch as non-productive players get shuffled in and out month after month.

by bobo121212 on Aug 10, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Have a feeling his time will come by next season, probably in a trade.

With Gose, Marisnick and Crouse (and Sierra?) on the way he is excess unless they trade one of Snider, Davis or Thames. They’re probably just waiting for the right deal to include him with others in a package, he won’t bring much back himself.

Marisnick is a kid I’ll be watching, decent size, good bat and base stealing ability and seems to be really patient at the plate. He might get to the Jays before Gose if Gose doesn’t improve his approach at the plate.

by transmogrifier on Aug 10, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's excess no matter what happens

his ceiling is a good 4th OF

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marisnick?

Dude, he has a huge ceiling…

by StreakyJays on Aug 10, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

what?
With Gose, Marisnick and Crouse (and Sierra?) on the way he is excess

with “he” referring to Mastro

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh!

I knew something wasn’t right. Was Mastro big news some time ago?

by StreakyJays on Aug 10, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

eh

before Davis came over (and following Mastro’s pretty successful 2010) I was campaigning for us to stick him in CF to see what would happen… but then again I also wanted us to sign Manny

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see - then why

use up a 40 man roster spot for someone who isnt good.?

Why not just get rid of him?

by bobo121212 on Aug 10, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

because he’s not useless and they’d rather let him rot on the 40man than lose him outright this season at least

by WizardofNaz on Aug 10, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good for Nestor

kinda funny the Jays are quite willing or aggressive in promoting pitching prospect but less for hitters. You would think Marisnick and Knecht would be in Dunedin now but it looks like they are staying at Lansing for the whole year

by noname3 on Aug 10, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it has to do with Lansing playing being in their playoffs, and Dunedin not being in theirs

by Matthew Mueller on Aug 10, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

they can't just promote players who are helping a team get to the playoffs

the minor league teams’ records matter too (for them anyways)

I demand to be heard.

by Pikachu on Aug 10, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Farquhar

Question: was Farquhar traded to Oakland for Davis and traded back to the Jays for Purcey? Or was it someone else?

by DavidLondon on Aug 10, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Farquhar & Magnuson were traded for Davis, then we traded Purcey to the A’s and got Farquhar back in exchange.

Hechavarria's biggest fan..

by Joey Kirby on Aug 10, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might as well get Farquhar back who has the potential to be a good reliever in the big leagues.

Hechavarria's biggest fan..

by Joey Kirby on Aug 10, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

we got davis for magnuson

which is pretty good

I demand to be heard.

by Pikachu on Aug 10, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Magnuson was in New Hampshire last year..

He served as one of the teams relievers (maybe set-up man?) and he has a 2.15 FIP, hes now in the A’s bullpen and we could see him this year, hes Canadian and a very big guy, standing at 6’8", 210.

Hechavarria's biggest fan..

by Joey Kirby on Aug 10, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

still, its a reliever

and he’s old for the level, i think (?)

I demand to be heard.

by Pikachu on Aug 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great, that’s roughly what I remember. So maybe the Jays got a good player out of all of this (Davis is OK at best).

by DavidLondon on Aug 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

goddamit

reply fail. how ironic.

I demand to be heard.

by Pikachu on Aug 10, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adjusted Minor League Stats

We all know how unreliable minor league hitting stats are because of the variance in the quality of pitching at the various levels. Travis being 4 for 5 against PCL pitchers does not necessarily mean he’s put it back together. Is there anyone that isolates minor leaguers’ stats against quality pitching? I.E Travis is hitting .350 in PCL but only .150 against the top 10 percentile of pitchers based on OPP .AVG, FIP, ERA or whatever metric you choose.

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 10, 2011 5:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

"but only .150 against the top 10 percentile of pitchers based on OPP .AVG, FIP, ERA or whatever metric you choose"

you mean he’s not as good against the best pitching as he is against average pitching? gadzooks!

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.. It means he's .150

Against pitchers that are most likely to be representative of major league pitching. Not saying it would be perfect but I feel it would give a more accurate picture of how a minor leaguer is doing. It’s not like the top 10 or 20% of PCL is going to be Aces in waiting. I would just think it’s more significant to see stats of batters against fringe and soon to be MLers rather than against place fillers

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 10, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

you know who is the most likely to be representative of Major League pitching?

an average pitcher. there will always be fringe MLers in the Majors, and there will always be aces.

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

but to answer your question

there exist “Minor League Equivalency calculators” though, since they deal with human skill, they’re inherently guesses

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that wasn't his question

i think he was asking if there is a PCL equivalent of the "Snider vs Power Pitchers "post

by JayTeam on Aug 10, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh

I have no idea; the top PCL pitchers are probably in the MLB…

WAR... WAR never changes.

by benk on Aug 10, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya... But...

These can be affected by hitting against shoddy pitching. Someone who’s played against an inordinate number of bum pitching will have higher major league equivalency results than someone who’s played an inordinate number of games against crappy pitchers. I know it should even out over a season but why not remove bad pitching from the equation altogether. Like they do bad defence from FIP.

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 10, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well if we don't want him to face shoddy pitching why don't they just bring him up?

PCL pitchers don’t provide anything for his development

I demand to be heard.

by Pikachu on Aug 10, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree totally...

Just feel like it would be a little more significant if they talked about his success against the best of the admittedly shoddy PCL pitching that’s all. Never tried to claim that PCL pitchers are good, just that success against top 10 percent would mean more than against the bottom 10 percent. What if d’Arnaud’s numbers were inflated because he hits .600 against the worst AA pitchers, but .100 against guys like Henderson Alvarez who has almost ML-quality stuff? (TBD tonight)

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 10, 2011 5:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Do they not have vs. stats available for the minors?

If so, why wouldn’t it work if you took their stats vs. the top 10-20% of pitchers based upon some flawed metric: ERA, FIP, etc.

by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 10, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is pure speculation on my part, but I don’t think it has anything to do with Snider’s development vis-à-vis PCL pitchers. As I noted elsewhere, Snider was promoted earlier and was successful with his new adjusted swing. Still, after about 10 games, for some reason he reverted back to his old unsuccessful swing. I understand that it may be difficult to make these adjustments, but a professional baseball player has to be able to do this. I think the Jays might be sending a message to Snider — learn how to stick with the new swing in the PCL. Only then will we call you back up to the majors, and no reversion back to the previous swing will be accepted.

I don’t think it’s a question of working things out in the majors or the minors — I think it’s a question of making adjustments, and not falling back to previous bad habits. This is an absolute necessity for a major-league player.

by DavidLondon on Aug 10, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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