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Minor League Recap: Five Inning Madness

In the Jays' organization, pitchers aren't considered 'cool' unless they have at least a five inning no-hitter. Drew Hutchison has been a bit of a slacker in that regard, as he's got just a six inning one-hitter. He also went six scoreless outings in a row at one point, but the Jays organization should have high standards: Hutch just isn't cutting it! It has to be mentioned, though, that Aaron Sanchez has been "even worse" as the best he's done was a four inning one-hitter. Even Myles Jaye has a five inning one-hitter to his name.

Members of the five inning no-hit club included Nestor Molina, Justin Nicolino and Mitchell Taylor up until yesterday night. Because yesterday night, Noah Syndergaard auditioned for the club and was accepted. He would go the standard five innings, striking out eight batters, walking two and getting five grounders (not counting a bunted groundball) and just one flyball. So not only did he not allow a hit, Syndergaard also allowed only one ball to be hit out of the infield. In attendance was Sportsnet reporter Shi Davidi, who tweeted that Syndergaard was lighting up the radar gun with fastballs at 97 miles per hour consistently. That's hard, but he also either broke the stadium gun, or he had one pitch clocked at 102 mph, as it showed "02". Observers have noted that the pitch was not travelling at 2 miles per hour, so it was either a faulty reading, or Syndergaard just wanted to show Henderson Alvarez that he can throw harder than him.

After the game, both Kevin Goldstein and Keith Law responded to tweets asking if Syndergaard was a top 100 prospect, and they both responded negatively. Now here's the thing: I don't even have Law or Goldstein in my twitter feed, because I do not think they are very good prospect evaluators at all. The one top 100 prospect list for me is the one by Baseball America, and of course I also think John Sickels is pretty good. And besides, who cares about top 100? 18 year old throwing 97 mph and getting results like this? I'll take him over many guys who are "top 100 prospects". Almost lost due to the greatness of Syndergaard's performance was the fact that Andy Burns hit his first homer for the Vancouver Canadians. As guest writer Marc Hulet noted yesterday: Burns was in the top 100 college prospects eligible for the 2011 draft coming into the 2011 season. His stock probably took a bit of a hit because he didn't play in 2011, but Burns should be considered a sleeper.

Star-divide

But Syndergaard can't have all the praise in this recap. His no-hitter was not a perfect game bid, as only Mitchell Taylor has gone five no-hit innings without a walk this season (but he did hit two batters), so we'll be moving on, slightly unimpressed, to Nestor Molina. Molina's first outing was a magnificent one-run outing with eight strikeouts. But Molina wasn't too impressed himself, apparently, as he followed it up with a five inning two-hit shutout with nine strikeouts and no walks. Oh, and he got more than half of the balls hit in play to be groundballs too, for good measure. Not that many balls were hit in play, of course. It's pretty crazy that Molina, after being promoted to Double-A has pitched even better than he was doing in Dunedin. I know the scouts don't love him as much, but there's no reason not to love Nestor Molina. Here's some nice footage of Molina and his delivery (looks fine to me, but I'm not an expert).

Also from that game: Travis d'Arnaud went 2-for-5 but had two strikeouts, as well as a triple (because the diving outfielder let it get past him). Moises Sierra was 3-for-4 with a walk and a double, and he's hit .324/.410/.529 over his last 10 games now. I still think Sierra's got a good chance to mash next year in Vegas and excite Jays fans about his future. Brazilian catcher Yan Gomes was 3-for-5 with a double and a homer, he's hitting .256/.326/.474 on the season, which is pretty good for a catcher. The news from Vegas was sad as Travis Snider collected a golden sombrero (that's 4 Ks in a single game) and Hechavarria had his first game in Vegas without multiple hits. Over in Lansing, Jake Marisnick was 2-for-4 with a double and a strikeout, and in the GCL Jake Anderson had both his first walk, his first hit by pitch, and his first strikeout of his professional career, and all that in a game that was just over 5 innings long due to rain. But really, that's it for offensive performances, as we head to Bluefield for another amazing pitching performance.

Bluefield's game lasted just five innings, but in those five innings shortstop Peter Mooney still managed to get 2 hits in 3 tries. Listed at 5'6, Mooney was drafted for his defense, but has been an offensive standout so far for Bluefield with a .313/.424/.604 line. Of his 15 hits, 10 have gone for extra bases, but it's unlikely he keeps hitting that many doubles and triples (he has one homer). But the real story of the game was the pitching performance of Myles Jaye. Now "Mystery Myles" had been pretty solid so far, but he didn't have any games to his name in which he was dominant, like most other rookie-ball pitching prospects. Last night he addressed the issue by striking out 8 in 5 innings, giving up just one run on 2 hits and one walk. The one blemish was that he allowed 6 out of 8 batted balls to be hit in the air. Getting groundballs has been a struggle for Jaye, and knowing the Jays' coaching staff, they'll be working with him to improve in that aspect of the game. Mystery Myles is not as exciting as Syndergaard, Nicolino, Sanchez and Taylor, but he doesn't have to climb mountains to get to that level where he also becomes a good prospect. Unlike Griffin Murphy's and Zak Adams', Jaye's season has been a positive, even if that's easy to overlook with so many great pitching prospects around him.

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How many out of Alvarez, McGuire, Molina, Hutchison, Nicolino, Syndergaard, Taylor, Sanchez will have productive big league careers? (either as a starter or a prominent reliever)
I can't see any of them failing. (7-8)
41 votes
Most of them will make it. (5-6)
195 votes
About half of those.
304 votes
Just one or two.
100 votes
None of them!
1 votes

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Nice writeup Woodman.

Nice link there to Molina, and I agree with you (I’m no expert) but I don’t know where ‘herky-jerky’ came from, but his delivery does remind me a lot of Joel Carreno’s, instead of being the ‘drop and drive’ motion Casey Janssen uses, these two stay more upright in order to keep the ball low in the strike zone.

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.

by Joey Kirby on Aug 19, 2011 7:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm…they obviously never heard of Juan Marichal..

Not changing my signature until Hechavarria is promoted to the big leagues.

by Joey Kirby on Aug 19, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delivery

I watched the video, and obviously I know as little as anybody about a pitchers delivery. But from the way I saw it, I think its the side-arm action that is scaring everybody. It looks like he’s putting an awful lot of strain on his arm everytime he throws the ball. I think if he comes up to the Jays, the first think Walton works on, is moving his “arm-slot” higher, to be less of a side-arm’er.

Just my amateur analysis.

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by Vagabond13 on Aug 19, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

His arm action

it’s not very smooth and will put a lot strain on his shoulder. Probably won’t be a starter in the majors, unless they can adjust his arm action.

by junkball on Aug 19, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

injuries

It’s a shame that a few of these guys will blow out their arms along the way.

by ayjackson on Aug 19, 2011 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

For now.

Remember that Bautista was “on pace” for 16.9 WAR. Lind had 2.3 WAR before his slump.

by StreakyJays on Aug 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

meaning he's been worth negative a win and a half since

and yeah, obviously extrapolation doesn’t imply consistency, but it can give a better view of strong play in a small sample

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked up Shaun Marcum

Apparently he only has 2.1 WAR this year. Which really confuses me. He’s almost outperformed every stat of last year, and yet he’s on pace for less war in the same amount of innings.

Last year at about 200 IP, he had 3.5 WAR, this year he’s on pace for 2.8 WAR in 200 IP.

Either way, this looks like a win/win, with us being winningier. Although the Brewers have gone 19-2 in the last 21.

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by Vagabond13 on Aug 19, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

probably because the run-environment has changed

pitchers overall are better than they were last year. His -FIP in 2010 was 90, but in 2011 its 96 (lower is better, and its league adjusted)

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by LeafFan1989 on Aug 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I went to the Canadiens Game Last Nights and...

correction Syndergaard actually got 9 strike outs (1 of them was a dropped third strike)…
another make things clear moment..

Andy Burns first ‘home run’ was an in the park shot that (i personally thought the Everett center fielder should have caught)- but the center fielder ran into the wall and ended up injured. Everyone in the stadium was either laughing or cheering…

Another thing… 3 errors in the 8th inning led to Everett winning 3-2

by Vancouverbluejay on Aug 19, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

boxscore only lists 8 Ks

and it does count the dropped one.

Burns’ homer does look a lot less impressive now.

by Woodman663 on Aug 19, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh i swear there were 9...

3 in the first (including the dropped)
2 in the second
2 in the third
1 in the fourth
none in the 5th…

Whoops i miscounted,,,

by Vancouverbluejay on Aug 19, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saying how bad the 8th was....

Eric brown is pitching….

He stikes out the first batter (no wait it was dropped) and the catcher through it into right field….
runner on 2nd no outs

The next batter grounds out to the second baseman
runner on 3rd 1 out

The next batter grounds out to the third basemen (oh wait the third baseman through it away
runner on 1st 1 out 1 run scored-

The next batter doubles down the line but oh wait the right fielder lets it go between the legs alloowing the runner at first to score….

that pissed me off

by Vancouverbluejay on Aug 19, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we should chill out a bit in terms of our A ball pitching prospects

Sure its nice to see, but dominance in low A doesn’t mean much.

Molina looks interesting… his delivery does look strange and i wonder if they’re going to change it or not? You’d think they would try and change it straight away if they saw some problems with it?

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by ohmybosh on Aug 19, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Ohmybosh it does mean something if...

You’re the same age of younger than those you’re dominating. In the case of the Jays Low A (and Short Season guys) they’re all age appropriate – none are 22 year old college grads pitchin’ to 18 year olds.

I would think this whole set of pretty trinkets are keepers…injuries and the unknown will not doubt take their toll – but these guys have serious helium.

by Mylegacy on Aug 19, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, of course not

no one would expect half our guys to be producing low-2 FIPs in AA, but pitching great in the low Minors is obviously better than not pitching great in the low Minors

by benk on Aug 20, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we should just dismiss Goldsten and KLaw’s opinions. They’ve most likely actually seen these guys pitch live whereas we’ve only seen box scores and some video.
Obviously, you can do whatever you like but I’,m going to account their views on a prospect. Most of these guys are still young, as they move up to AA and spend more time there they can become top 100 prospects. Pretty sure that’s been the case for some other guys in the Jays system.

by Nadia on Aug 19, 2011 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah, i like both of those guys

might not agree on everything, but different opinions fromd different angles are always helpful.

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

btw

you said yesterday that Law said (on Twitter) Nicolino is not top 100. that’s not what he said, he said Syndergaard isn’t top 100 but he said Nicolino is “TBD”

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Having seen them pitch

still means less than having faced them and been totally embarassed.

Unless they can point to a significant flaw in a pitcher prospect’s game (only getting strikeouts on pitches out of the zone, low velocity, bad mechanics) I don’t value their opinions much.

Hitters are much more tricky. But again, try the Baseball America guys instead, they’re really good.

by Woodman663 on Aug 19, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

how hard does Nestor throw

and I get the liking certain evaluators more than others, but TBH, they’re all unreliable. they all make mistakes on big prospects and they all undervalue certain prospects, but not all in the same way. having a lot of (professional and otherwise) opinions provides strictly positive insight

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

but BA consists of a lot of different guys

Nestor supposedly throws low-90s, which is good enough for me. Basically you want to avoid mid-80s pitchers and be careful about overrating high-80s guys, but I think low-90s should be fine if they K lots of hitters in the high minors.

by Woodman663 on Aug 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

right

just think of Law and Goldstein as one of those guys. I don’t take their words as law, but their opinions are still valuable

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally like to look at what different prospect evaluators say to get an idea of a prospect

Take the opinions of Law, Goldstein, BA, Sickels, etc. plus what the Jays minor league managers and coaches say about a prospect. If most of them are saying good things (i.e. D’Arnaud), the prospect is probably legit. If there are differing opinions, then I’m a little more skeptical.

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by JaysfanDL on Aug 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goldstein responded less negatively than you made it seem
Kevin_Goldstein
Good, not THAT good. RT @jessek_86: @Kevin_Goldstein #bluejays Syndergaard was great today. Possible top 100 prospect? why or why not?

by Nadia on Aug 19, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

But Syndergaard is "THAT" good.

At least in my opinion. Don’t scouts want upside? Syndergaard’s upside is through the roof.

by Woodman663 on Aug 19, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are the reports like on his secondary pitches?

It’s clear Syndergaard has good velocity on his fastball but what kind of breaking pitches does he have and does his fastball have good movement or is it arrow straight?

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by JaysfanDL on Aug 19, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Curve and Change are his current breaking balls

They’re both solid with projection pitches but fairly inconsistant so far. He was also working on a 4th pitch in spring training (think a splitter) but it’s presumably not useable yet.

by TtD on Aug 19, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, there are a lot of optimists
I can’t see any of them failing. (7-8)

29 votes or 8%

If even half these guys are productive MLBers, that’s a tremendous accomplishment. All or all but 1 is insanity. Injuries, and just not living up to potential will likely derail a number of careers.

Every year, an MLB team only graduates 1 or 2 prospect pitchers onto their 25 man roster in any way that is permanent or semi-permanent. Rebuilding teams may do 1 or 2 more and contending team 1 or 2 less. Every year, MLB teams draft or sign 10x that number. They have to because the attrition rate for prospect pitchers is very high.

I’d be happy if the Jays can graduate 2 or 3 of those guys as significant contributors.

by siggian on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

the blue jays are the exception

I don’t get why you would think
“oh they usually don’t all work out so they wont”
how about
These guys are really good and they could all work out.

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

don'tcha know

every pitcher who experiences struggles in their rookie season in the Bigs is a failure

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then we would've gotten two picks for him

Don’t forget we also got superstud d’Arnaud and Gose for Halladay. Neither are sure things, but Drabek, d’Arnaud, Gose are surer than a sandwich and a 2nd rounder

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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 19, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

remember he's 23?

and missed over a full season of development due to TJ surgery?

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying that he's a failure, just that he's also far from a sure thing.

He’s struggled and there’s no reason to believe he would stop strugglling next year. Not out of the question obviously, but you never know.

by StreakyJays on Aug 19, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't get your point

you should be looking at “are these guys able to excel in the MLB?”
not
“oh well i guess half of them will get injured, so ill vote only 2 or 3 of them”

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of them do get injured

attrition rates for pitchers is very very high

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know i read his comment

I don’t get how you can say only half of them because that’s what “usually happens”
You should look at them as players and decide if you think they will become MLB capable.
not just write a few off because chances are they will get injured.

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was a list of players, judge them individually and say yes/no to MLB

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

but pitchers lose effectiveness due to unforeseen reasons

tonnes of pitchers have been awesome in the low minors then: lost velocity for no reason, lost command, gotten injured, etc. and that happens to guys that no one could predict. you’re being overly homer-y if you think every single pitching prospect the Jays have will be a good MLB pitcher

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok you can go through life expecting people to get injured and fall apart

I’d rather say “oh damn good numbers good stuff, high ceiling, yep hes going to be in the MLB”

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he might not

and you know there’s a chance

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who? Don't think I ever heard that name before..

Is he supposed to be good or something? We’ll always need someone to throw batting practice and if Alvarez, Hutch, Molina, Syndergaard, McGuire, Taylor, and Nicolino don’t work out maybe he could earn the 5th spot down the line.

He needs a John Farrell-Brett Cecil “Get your s**t together” speech

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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You provide the answer in your post
I don’t get why you would think
"oh they usually don’t all work out so they wont"
the blue jays are the exception

I don’t believe that the Blue Jays are the exception. Therefore, I expect a similar attrition rate on young pitchers as every other MLB team and the Blue Jays themselves in the past.

Wait, were you being sarcastic? I think my meter might be broken.

by siggian on Aug 19, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

the exception part was just being silly

in short, it was a list of players, why you would not go through and say “yes/no” to each one and then vote instead of just assuming that some won’t work out, because thats just what happens.
I believe it was more of a case of “do you think they can all be successful in the mlb”

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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 19, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, they all have potential

Otherwise, the Jays would have released them.

However, the question was not whether they had the potential but instead

How many out of Alvarez, McGuire, Molina, Hutchison, Nicolino, Syndergaard, Taylor, Sanchez will have productive big league careers?

I took productive to mean 3 years of at least average pitching (say a minimum of 6 career WAR).

However, for all kinds of reasons, many of these guys will not reach that level. I will be happy if the Jays get three or more of these guys to reach that level over that career. I will be even happier if they can get a couple who get more than 20 career WAR.

by siggian on Aug 19, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with the bowling_guy (I might be possessed...)

If woodman would have named 15 guys from our system, including these guys, probably most of us would have gone through the list, mark those guys as the most probable to succeed, and say “about 7-8”, but then it would be only half of the sample, and thus fit with the “coommon attrition rate”.

You can’t take a general analysis, derived from numbers accumulated from a certain population (All Pitching Prospects, in this case), and apply it to a (hand-picked) different population (top prospects acc. to woodman). It just doesn’t work that way.

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by HESS2479 on Aug 19, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

August Schedule

The Jays have a pretty sweet schedule over the next 2 weeks – OAK, then KC, TBAY (make up ground) and then BAL… Hopefully can put up some more +500 ball because August will be tough, 12 games vs NYY/BOS + LAA and TBAY

by Dr_Furious on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

*September will be tough

by Dr_Furious on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

On a positive note, we’ll have our September call ups facing the best of the best. Good way to evaluate talent.

Can we start the Gose watch yet?

by honours6 on Aug 19, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't going to be a lot of callups according to Farrell.

He says that he belives the players have to earn the right to be called up. It’s not a bad thought.

by StreakyJays on Aug 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

September is the part of the schedule I'm most looking forward to.

We’re becoming a better team, and it’ll be interesting to see how they fair against the Red Sux and Yuckies.

by Alan F. on Aug 19, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some crazy talk here...

I think it is insane to even suggest trading RR. Just because a player is putting up huge numbers and is a great value, doesn’t mean they are ripe for trading. I think some of you guys are so drunk from excitement from the rasmus and Lawrie deals that it has clouded your judgement. RR has a very high ceiling and to me, talking about trading him is the same as if we would have talked about trading Roy Halliday after his cy young season. We’ve been very lucky with some of our recent prospects but lets not forget that can’t miss prospects miss more times then not. Most impressive to me with RR is that he is strong against both lefties and righties and would be a better candidate to start game 1 of the 2012 or 2013 AL wildcard series then anyone we could aquire for him.

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by Sean Coleman on Aug 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Ricky Romero on pace for a 4 win season is not the same as Roy Halladay after 14 WAR in 2 seasons, sorry dude

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope

a lot of us are drunk from his sub 3 ERA. its unlikely he sustains that.

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

*sigh*

the insanity is increased by the fact i haven’t heard anyone even suggest who we are trading him for just speaks to the craziness. We have an abundance of high end, potential star material at every position including an overload at catcher with the exception of starting pitching and that is the department you want to weaken. This entire argument is irrelevant if these players that we are trading our best starting pitcher for are imaginary and don’t actually exist. Just to simply say “oh, Ricky has unreal numbers now. Its hard to imagine him being any better then he is right now. (despite the fact that he’s had exponential improvement over the last 3 years and is only 24 with no injury history). Lets trade him for some prospects or guys that can be our #2 and #3 starters.” Well, sir that is insane. I feel that we are very close to being an elite powerhouse and look to 2013, even 2012 as the years we kick it up a gear and compete day in and day out with the big boys. Trading away RR is a couple of steps back, not forwards but perhaps you guys don’t feel the same and think we are 4 or 5 years away from competing which means i guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the matter of trading away short term future stars for potential long term gain.

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by Sean Coleman on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

exponential improvement over the last 3 years???

holy crap, he’s going to be worth 16 wins next year!

and don’t “sigh” me, unfortunately we can’t all be as smart as you

by benk on Aug 19, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly

if he was posting 3.5 ERA, the reaction to my poll might be quite a bit different.

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

i wouldn’t have posted that poll if he had a 3.5 ERA, which makes the point moot.

by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a dilemma to be sure.

A lot of X factors. Nice of you to share.

by StreakyJays on Aug 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never understood people using "exponential" as a modifier

Who decided that it implied squared? Why can’t the exponent be 7, or 2/5, or -3, or literally any other real number?

4592 is exponentially greater than 4591, 10.496 is exponentially greater than 1/3, etc.

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by Gerse on Aug 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

exponential growth doesn't just mean that the growth can be expressed exponentially (which as you point out, is always the case), I don't think

doesn’t exponential growth mean that the rate of growth is proportionate to the function’s current value?

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by hugo on Aug 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

But every real number is some proportion of some other real number, therefore there is some proportionate rate of growth.

As far as I know, your second sentence is how the term is meant to be used – n>1 instances of an output growing or decreasing by some (unchanging) percentage of the input – I just don’t think there’s been a recorded case of that in human history outside of academia.

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by Gerse on Aug 19, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if by "academia" you mean "math"

then yeah, the world doesn’t tend to operate in natural numbers

by benk on Aug 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re; Syndergaard/Nicolino

Stadium gun was hot. Scout gun had him at 100. Still impressive. Must give Jay scouts a lot of credit for this one. Noah wasn’t on the BA Top 200 when drafted.
KLaws answer re: Jays Low A arms: “They are loaded, perhaps the best in that department. Can’t tell you how many good reports I’ve gotten on Nicolino this summer.”

by JayTeam on Aug 19, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

thats still extremely impressive

Looking forward to how well he does at higher levels

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by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you share a link for that?
Unless KLaw told you personally, haha.

by Nadia on Aug 19, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am happy with Syndergaard results and all but I do worry a little with how hard he throws at such a young age… or just throwing that hard at all period.

by Sniderlover on Aug 19, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, bundy is throwing 99 MPH

and he’s regarded as the best HS pitching draftee since beckett, so… i think he’ll be alright. breaking balls tend to be more detrimental than actual velocity, at least from what I hear.

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by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not suggesting he is going to get injured or something but when you do throw that hard, you just get worried if they can keep it up in the majors throwing 200+ innings.

by Sniderlover on Aug 19, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

he Ks alot

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by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

walks a lot too! and showing some power. I’ve been impressed with him this season despite the K’s

by Sniderlover on Aug 19, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just needs to show some more consistant contact.

But yeah, good strikezone approach. I belive the OBP hovering around 350.

by StreakyJays on Aug 19, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

young for the level though

or at least not old; as well as improving his walk rate and rate stats despite moving up a level (and way more value on the basepaths this year). given his walk rate improvement at a tough level, I’d bet he can improve his K rate too

by benk on Aug 20, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Molina's mehanics look solid enough to me

I don’t think it would take much adjusting to clean it up. Doesn’t scream reliever to me anyways.

Carreno’s mechanics though definitely scream reliever. I think he’s gonna be a good one.

Have missed both of Alvarez’s starts so far, so can’t comment.

by Waveburner on Aug 19, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Drabek hits the first batter he faces and then proceeds to walk the next 2. One of them on just 4 pitches.

by Sniderlover on Aug 19, 2011 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just about to mention that...

Kinda ridiculous..

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by Joey Kirby on Aug 19, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he should work on his own/with some private help

i don’t think pitching more in games is gonna help. Not that i’m an expert on this at all.

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by Pikachu on Aug 19, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with this. Just an awful horrendous season for him and he’s completely lost it.

I hope he bounces back next year.

by Sniderlover on Aug 19, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

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