Blue Jays Trade Aaron Hill and John McDonald to Diamondbacks for Kelly Johnson
by Tom Dakers on Aug 23, 2011 3:32 PM EDT
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Blue Jays traded fan favorite John McDonald and, not so much favorite Aaron Hill to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Kelly Johnson. All three will be free agents after this year, Hill would have accepted arbitration. Johnson? Well it gives Alex time to work out a deal with him or if he doesn't want to stay with the Jays we would get back a draft choice when he signs with someone else.
Update:
Why do the Jays always do this to me when I'm on holiday? Anyway, quick find an internet cafe...
As well, Brian Jeroloman has been called up from Vegas to fill the empty roster spot. Kind of a curious choice, but they might want to look at him to see if he can do the job of backup catcher for us next year.
Johnson is hitting:
this year, struggling much like Hill has been. The 18 home runs look good. He is making $5.85 million this year. Bats left.
Aaron, well, we all knew we weren't going to pick up his options. He, more than likely, would have accepted arbitration if the Jays offered it after the season. I'm a fan of Aaron's, I hope he gets it all together again, but then, like Alex, I wouldn't have been willing to bet several million, of the team's dollars, that he would.
Johnny? If the team wants him back, he'll be a free agent after the season too. I'd like him in the organization as a coach but maybe he feels he has some playing time left in him. He is useful as a backup and, I'm sure, great to have in the clubhouse, if that matters to you. I loved watching him play, even more I loved watching him practice. Apparently the Diamondbacks contacted the Jays about Mac and the trade was built from there.
It is a wow of a trade. I don't know why Johnson hasn't been hitting but maybe he'll find his stroke here. Alex has been interested in him for a while now and finally got him.
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Because Arizona wanted a quality backup for their stretch drive?
I know there’s a lot of love for the PMoD, but this may very well be his last season as a player.
I fully expect that the Jays have already offered him a position as a minor league coach/instructor when he’s finished his career. I think he will be excellent at it.
Yeah, I think Johnny Mac's playing days are almost over.
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I don't think JMac
is really better than McCoy at this point. Certainly worse bat, and anecdotally I think his legs and gloves aren’t what they used to be.
I hope so. He'd be great at as an IF instructor.
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
According to AA, the talks started with...
…Arizona inquiring about Johnny Mac.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Mac was the centrepiece
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I like this deal. Johnson was fantastic last season and Hill has been, just ughh.
Sucks to see johnnymac go but he gets a shot at post-season. Wish both of them the best.
Not as good this year
…but at least he still has his power stroke – 18 HRs!
by Paul Chicago on Aug 23, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Longest-serving Jays is now Dustin McGowan
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Longest-rehabing...
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by HESS2479 on Aug 23, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Geez, listening to the 590 here
and god the callers are stupid.
If accurate, this is a type B 2B likely to accept arb, + a month of a D only SS
for a type B/A 2B coming off a good year.
It’s a chance to grab a potential 2B starter with a guaranteed pick or two at reduced cost.
It’s a perfectly sensible trade.
Yea, was just listening too. I wanted to rip my radio out.
by blueandwhite31 on Aug 23, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easier to find a Golden Key in a Caramilk bar than it is to find an intelligent caller on the FAN
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Except when...
….I call in – which I rarely do!
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a fantastic deal
Johnson is an upgrade at 2B over Hill. Much better OBP guy than Hill ever was.
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Starting now, wow both Mac and Hill is present
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Add a WOW from me too...
I’d miss the PMoD, but…
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I was really hoping to see Hill rebound. I was rooting for him.
And I loved Johnny Mac.
All the best to both of them in Arizona.
by outoforder87 on Aug 23, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope Johnny mac comes on as a defensive sub in the World Series against the Yankees to turn an unassisted triple play to win game 7
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
by honours6 on Aug 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
oh my gosh yes. That would make my life.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You do realize the Jays and Yanks both play in the AL so they can't meet in the WS
ALCS, that’s a possibility.
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I've been reading so many Johnny Mac should come back as a free agent, I thought Honour6 was talking about that.
I realize he means as a D-Back. Once again my mistake.
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You do realize that McDonald has in fact been traded to the D-Backs, so he very well could face them in the WS.
ALCS is no longer a possibility. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing.
any reason to be a douche?
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
shouldn't have said it like that
he corrected himself, he made a mistake, it happens
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's karma for all my Jesse Litsch bashing
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Man this is weird, having them beside AA
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Agreed.
First time I’ve seen that (but I don’t watch many of these, either).
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by Jeremiah Stanghini on Aug 23, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
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Blue Jays confirm Johnson for Hill and McDonald. C Brian Jeroloman coming up from Vegas.
Huh? Jeroloman coming up?
3rd catcher. J-Mac's replacement... ;-p
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I guess we need a 3rd catcher now Mac is gone lol
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They need someone to take Johnny Mac's spot as the 3rd catcher
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Need someone to replace Hill's offense
…or see if he can be the 2nd catcher next year?
Wow
I love this deal.
I’d mouth kiss Alex if he was here.
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by craig in calgary on Aug 23, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
so THAT is why the earth just shook here!
Craig “frenched” AA…
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OH MY GOD THIS IS THE BEST THING EVARRRRRRRR
p.s. bring back the PMoD as a coach.
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sigh
i would have been fine letting them walk, but trading these 2, i was not prepared, i’m just sad now
sigh
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don't like it
maybe if he wasn’t a FA i would be able to get over it. but i won’t. i don’t like the trade at all. really sad =/
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
this is literally a no-risk situation
automatic B (Hill isn’t), better player than Hill and all we lose is a backup friggin infielder who’s the 7th worst offensive player in MLB hitory with over 1000 PAs
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i could care less really
stop trying to rationalise it
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
listen
I don’t care if its a good trade im still sad. just stop
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
pfft you are always rude
lol just kidding
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it could be a fantastic trade.. i dont know. but you can still be sad to see a player go, cant you? or is that not allowed?
by outoforder87 on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think you were being a dick
its sad to see johnny mac go as well as hill but theres no reason to be sad cause if hill was still here we would be complaining that he sucks and that we cant use mac every day cause he cant hit.
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is tough to watch, i will miss them both
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Interesting trade when you consider all the players had to clear waivers.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Aug 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions
not hard to believe that Hill and Mac did
I’m surprised Kelly Johnson did, though
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Perhaps the Jays were the first team (priority-wise, of course) to put in a claim?
Unlikely, sure, but you never know.
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Seems like, at the very least,
he’d be worth taking on for the draft pick, though, no?
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Wow.
Just incredible, really.
Are the D-Backs acquiring Hill to start? So they basically willingly took a downgrade at 2B while they are one game up on SF for the playoffs, simply to acquire J-Mac? I don’t get it.
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose.
They've almost got all the pieces of the 2008 Blue Jays IF.
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
look up top
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They seem to be positioning in this presser it as "go get some postseason experience boys"
Then come back and share it with our young guys. I’d think Mac has a better shot of coming back than Hill though.
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mac just mentioned he wants to be a coach for this club as well. Awesome.
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol me too
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Yeah I'm glad about this too.
Upgrade over guys like Reyes and Eveland but I like what the young guy are showing.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I’m not convinced Wandy would be any better than Henderson in the AL East
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Why even bother? I'd rather see what the young guys can do than watch Wandy be
Jo Jo the Second (although he did beat the Jays.)
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Wandy's not bad
he’s just not good, and does what he does in the NL. and that’s even ignoring the bad contract
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Let me quote cameron again here
Since the start of the 2008 season, Wandy Rodriguez ranks 17th in ERA, 19th in xFIP. Why is he treated like he has bubonic plague again?
He’s definitely good and would fit in there nicely besides Morrow in our rotation. Point is moot though.
But how would those numbers look if he pitched primarily against the beasts of the East?
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Probably fairly well, the guy is a good pitcher.
One other point.
It’s not like Wandy is playing out west in a pitchers park like many of the AL/NL west teams. Cubs, Astros, Cinci, Brewers and the Cards all are slightly hitters parks or in some cases (Reds,Brewers) majorly hitters parks.
xFIP would account for that
and his xFIP is pretty good. but I don’t think you can deny it would rise moving from the NL to the AL Beast, and a 3.8 xFIP pitcher (he’s 3.65 this season) isn’t particularly useful
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Ricky Romero's xFip is 3.63.
I just don’t think any of our starters outside are top 2 are particularly trustworthy. As much as I like Cecil, I’d much rather have Wandy in there for a year or two as our 3. I also don’t think many of our minor league guys are ready yet. If we could have gotten him on a waiver claim for some decent prospects I would feel much better about our rotation heading into next year.
again
xFIP doesn’t adjust for strength of schedule, besides Ricky’s superb ground ball numbers. I’d put Wandy just ahead of Cecil on a goodness scale, but his contract status is far worse
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And hypothetically,
Wandy’s contract money would come out of money for other FA’s
I don't want Wandy with that contract
Though he is a decent pitcher, the Jays could do better for that much salary
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He isn't?
2011 xFIPs:
Clay Buchholz – 4.20
John Lackey – 4.52
Tim Wakefield – 4.66
Freddy Garcia – 4.18
Ivan Nova – 4.07
AJ Burnett – 4.01
And that’s just the runaway AL leaders.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
List of crappy pitchers in the AL
That are carried by their teams insanely good offense?
I was responding to your comment.
and a 3.8 xFIP pitcher (he’s 3.65 this season) isn’t particularly useful
Seems just about any team could use a 3.65 xFIP pitcher, even some of the best ones.
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I don't think he'll be a 3.65 xFIP pitcher in the AL East
because as I’ve said four times now, DIPS don’t adjust for strength of schedule
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I assumed the fact that you upped him to 3.8 was you accounting for change in venue.
Sorry if I misunderstood. Doesn’t change the fact that 3.8 xFIP would still be useful.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't be bad
but doesn’t help the Jays as much as a team who doesn’t plan to spend the money somewhere better
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By runs, Minute Maid is a hitter's park in 2011
but was a pitcher’s park in 2010 (tied for 3rd best), 2009 (7th best), and was neutral in 2008.
Though for HR, it is generally a slight hitter’s park, as you said
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FIP doesn't adjust for strength of schedule
and I do think he’s fine. I just don’t think he’s that good, and yeah it’s moot
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Top 30 SP in baseball to me is pretty good
Even though he is probably at the bottom end of that 30. I’d love to have a pitcher of that quality as our number 3.
10 WAR over 3 seasons is nice, no doubt
but I don’t think he could be much – if at all – better than a 2.5-3 win pitcher in Toronto given his middling ground ball numbers. his contract also is big (though not really an albatross) and we’d lose a year of development for Alvarez or someone like that.
it would have definitely been a better pickup than I thought, but I still wouldn’t be happy about it
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I don't think our minor league guys are ready
Romero and Morrow are locks. Cecil is a serviceable 4/5. (I don’t think he has any more potential than a 4 now) Maybe one of Alvarez or Drabek breaks out next year, but I don’t see both of them doing it. Our next wave of prospects are not going to be ready until late 2012 at best with guys like Molina, Hutchison and McGuire.
I think McGowan will be okay
and nothing wrong with giving a young guy the starts in the 5th spot
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23 spots ahead of Ricky Romero
by 2011 Baseball Prospectus VORP . . . and six points higher Opponent OPS
Those numbers can’t possibly off, I mean Romero’s only pitched 28 more innings with a better ERA, FIP, and xFIP
but you have to pay for a subscription to baseball prospectus, so it must be right!!!
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Jessef you've gone out of your way to regularly be insulting to me.
I’ve not responded in kind. I have my own opinions, but I thought Tom and co wanted a community here that was inclusive. This is rather dissapointing coming from one of the “mods” on this board. So yes I am filing a protest of sorts. I’ll send an email to Tom if I have to, but I’d appreciate it if you drop the personal junk.
don't think he was being personal
we had a small discussion (admittedly on a fanpost I think) about how VORP’s calculations don’t make any sense
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See his posts after we disagreed on the issue of Ks for batters.
Just because we disagree doesn’t mean belittling other people is acceptable. I respect Jessefs’ baseball knowledge but there is no need to be personal about any of this. We’re all here to discuss/argue about baseball.
Give me a break.
You can cry persecution all you’d like. I had no idea you were even the same person who was critical of the Kershaw-Romero piece. I don’t know why, and maybe you didn’t do it on purpose, but you posted that under a different name.
Also, we do want an inclusive community here. I don’t care if you don’t agree with me, but you seem to be hypercritical of other opinions while at the same time being hyperdefensive when yours are challenged.
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plus too much money for a mid to back end rotation guy
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wow Ariz asked for Mac 1st then led to Hill
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I'd love for Johnny Mac to be my neighbor, seems like a rad guy
But he’s nothing but a defensive replacement and Hill has been downright abysmal since his 2009 season.
Kelly Johnson (I’ve just noticed) isn’t exactly tearing it up this year, but I remember really wanting him last year and he’s still relatively young.
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by craig in calgary on Aug 23, 2011 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
Kelly's been hurt by a very low BABIP
despite batted ball numbers almost as good as his amazing 2010. I like this trade a lot
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I thought for sure the Jays would have just let Hill walk and sign Johnson
So I guess this means an upgrade at second.
Not a stat head, but what does everyone else think? I hope Hill’s change of scenery does him well. He’s fallen on some bad luck, but I think there is still some potential there.
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
I hope Hill will turn it around
A change of scenery is usually all it takes. However, its a smart move, because you take a borderline type B in Hill, and upgrade to a better 2B in Johnson. That way, if it doesn’t work too well, they might still get a draft pick out of the whole deal.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
Checked in at the AZSnakepit.
They’re scratching their heads a bit on this one.
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Yea i dont get it either for them, both Hill and Johnson not having their best year
but Johnson hitting for more power, it should help them more for the playoff push
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Seems AA pushed for Johnson, McDonald was the sweetener.
Since he was the guy they called about that sealed the deal. Aaron still has the power in my opinion, maybe the fresh start will bring it out of him again.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They needed a SS badly, with Drew hurt
The only other option was Willie Bloomquist.
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There has to be a more serious term than "needing a SS badly"
When Bloomquist is your starting SS.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
yeah, I just couldn't think of anything strong enough, haha.
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Definitely seems that way
This press conference is making me smile more than I expected.
Johnson Starting tongiht?
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My bet
McCoy is 2B tonight and Lawrie is the backup (if only because he’s played the position last year)
Stop listening to the FAN!
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not permanently
When Johnson gets here, he’s 2B and McCoy is the backup.
Hopefully, Lawrie never makes a play at second.
Ugh... this one hurts...
Hill: I do believe this team will win. Whether I’m a part of that, I’ll be rooting for them.
Aaron will be missed
And I sure hope it works out for him.
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Funny coincidence
The day Colby Rasmus was traded, I was going to the game that night. The Jays made the blockbuster trade, and I didn’t get to see Rasmus.
Today, I’m going to the game against the Royals. And what happens? Jays make yet another big trade. Question is, will I get to see the acquisition this time?
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hahaha
I’m going to the game too. might just have to go on Thursday too
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They could charter him in to teh Island Airport...
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not, but they're in Washington so there might be time if he flies by CF-18 Hornet
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by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhhh Hill just brought up the father's day homerun as his favourite Jay's memory
This is kinda sad….
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
More than likely as a coach, and I think he will be a good one.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Aug 23, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahaha
He does hav ea n awkwardly high pitched voice. What kind of GM would be scared of that on the phone??
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It's how he lures them in
and then steals their best players.
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"Heyyyyy it's Alex, I have several pans of this lovely lasagna and Corey Patterson here"
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeroloman up cause he would have been up in a few weeks anyways and
they didn’t want to take playing time away from some of the more legit prospects.
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT reply actions
Jeroloman probably wont play much per AA
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since we're talking about bringing them back
I’d be happy with bringing Hill back at a couple mill per year as a good backup
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The question now, is do we try to resign Johnson
or let him go
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this is why I think
first, offer him an extension (4/36 maybe?). if he declines, then
second, offer him arbitration, if he accepts, you get a pretty good second baseman for a reasonable cost, if he declines, then
you get 2 picks assuming someone signs him, then you sign Reyes and negate the pick loss
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He's a type B isn't he?
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
but he’s not far off type A IIRC, and maybe the change of scenery will confuse the BABIP dieties and give him a boost into type A
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by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lol there isnt many comments, so its tough to get any reaction
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I'm confused, weren't a lot of people saying that Hill sucks and needed to be replaced
Now everyone wants him back? huh?
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by Jeremiah Stanghini on Aug 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t think its everyone. There are a fair share of people happy with this trade. I think the people who are dissapointed are the ones who were Pro-Hill
by outoforder87 on Aug 23, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ps. even tho hill wasn’t performing.. he did have some good times with the org. so youre allowed to be sad when the guy gets traded.
by outoforder87 on Aug 23, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just there's been a lot of talk lately that 2B is the area that needed upgrading the most
That’s been done today. I guess the anti-Hill faction isn’t online yet.
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I'm not sure it's anti-Hill per se
I don’t think anyone here actively dislikes him as a person, we’d just prefer better production at 2B.
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Personally
I thought he was a good guy who tried his hardest. He had a fantastic year, and for some reason could not even come close to it these last two seasons. Perhaps all it will take is a change of scenery.
Happy with the trade, sad to see two long time Jays go. It’s a sentimental thing. (for me, at least)
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Its more of an emotional thing
I know Johnson is better for the Jays moving forward, but its sad to see Hill and JMac go.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
ok that ending was weird...
the double pat to Aron Hill and John McDonald almost guaranteed to be coming back as a coach next year,,
Favourite Aaron Hill Memory
Was seeing him in my store with his kid and wife. Such a nice guy. I’ll never forget the steal of home, nor will I forget the amazing year he had 2 years ago. Even though some of that magic is gone, Hill absolutely deserves a chance at a playoff run.
But as much as Hill deserves it, MacDonald deserves it ten thousand fold. By far, the perfect embodiment of the way the Blue Jays want to be seen, as a hard working ambassador to the city of Toronto.
We’ll keep your roster spot warm for this off-season.
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
If you're sad about JMac....
you’re just being selfish! The fact is, he – well he and Aaron – now get to participate in a playoff race and perhaps in the playoffs themselves. Be happy for them. But especially for us as Jays fans and for the Jays themselves. They’re now improved.
please do not troll
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
….but it’s called pragmatism. Trolling, really? I can appreciate the love many Jays fans felt/feel for the departed. But the leaving-their-home aspect aside, it’s a better baseball opportunity for them in the short-term, and they’re baseballers. And I’d reckon that Johnny will be back in Toronto in a coaching capacity sooner rather than later.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey little league world series is starting
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what channel?
i looked on the tv never saw it on the guide
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
tsn2
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who' watching ?
should we make a thread?
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
im watching, so thats make 2 ppl lol
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OPEN THREAD FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
They should've asked Johnny Mac about Jays' fans irrational love for him
Now that Hill isn’t here anymore, same with Vernon, I can’t find any reason to dislike him. They both seem like great guys. Pretty sad moment.
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OK….quick survey: You’re a Jays fan. Pulling for whom in a Phillies/DBacks Game 7 NLCS? .
That’s a tough choice. I’d have to go with DBacks though, just because I don’t really like the Phillies.
The correct answer is you never cheer for the Phillies
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Ehh
Phillies have sort of taken on the big spender/BOS/NYY personality. I’d take Phillie over Boston or NY though.
I agree...
…
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies. A WS makes Halladay a no doubt HOF... maybe even as a Blue Jay?
But I hope Hill and Jmac have awesome series(es?)
by outoforder87 on Aug 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Halladay is already a no doubt HOF
The best pitcher over the past decade.
Dunno if he’d be first ballot right now tho.
this might be part of why I selfishly don’t want him to win the WS as a Philly.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Roy Halladay. Not even close in my books.
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by Jevant on Aug 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
for me:
Phillie hate > Roy Halladay love.
also I’m still sad and bitter that he left, so.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
DBacks
Halladay gets pissed off with the Phillies after being on a good team and never winning. Leaves town and comes back to the jays and leads us to the WS.
Oh, and the guy in the White Shirt comes out of the stands to hit a pinch home run in the bottom of the 9th in game 7.
/totallygoingtohappen.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
Anybody else notice
That the Jays have the 2008-2009 Atlanta Braves MI.
I was just thinking that
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Good comment from AZ Snake Pit
Whenever you have the chance to get fleeced by Anthopoulos, you have to do it, right?
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Add AZ Snake Pit to the list of SB nation baseball blogs that hate AA
Hilarious comment though, haha.
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I don't think anyone hates him.
But not many teams have won a trade with AA so fans are wary.
Give it time.
If he keeps this up, a lot of MLB fans in other cities are going to start hating him.
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I guess they dont quite like or understand the deal
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That’s a funny comment but I don’t consider this a fleecing. Wells/Rasmus/Escobar deals were fleecings this is much more of a fair trade.
this is pretty much a fleecing
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I don't think this is a fleecing
Pure swap of equal 2Bs, a change of scenery will most likely serve them well.
AZ also gets a great fielding SS that will serve them well for a playoff run.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
Yeah, I agree, don’t think you can say Arizona got fleeced. Here was the full AZSnakepit comment:
So we gave away our struggling 2B, plus two draft picks (most likely), to acquire a guy who is worse in every way imaginable?
Whenever you have the chance to get fleeced by Anthopoulos, you have to do it, right?
The second part is hilarious, but not sure I agree with his assessment – he basically figures Aaron Hill is worse than Kelly Johnson, and isn’t valuing John McDonald in who apparently was the player Arizona really wanted for the stretch drive.
If Hill and Johnson end up as Type B free agents this year, then to me Arizona actually comes out ahead, as Johnson was sitting apparently, so they get a 2B they’re willing to play plus a SS.
For the Jays, if Hill and Johnson are both Type B free agents, then I’m not sure how this really benefits us, other than giving maybe an inside track into inking Johnson to a deal for next year if that’s what Anthopoulos is after (apparently he’s like Johnson for awhile). But even then we could have gone after him as a free agent in the offseason without this trade.
If Johnson is somehow a Type A free agent, then we get a nice extra draft pick. And while I like going for extra draft picks, I’m not sure it’s worth ripping part of the heart and soul out of the team this year in Johnny Mac. Sometimes there are other intangibles to consider besides just wheeling and dealing for draft picks, as if no one cares who comes and goes.
In the end though, I’m pretty ambivalent about the trade, as both Johnny Mac and Hill seem happy with getting to be in a playoff run, and at the end of the day we can always try resign either of these guys (Johnny Mac seems most likely) in the offseason – we’ve done it before in 2005.
Richard Griffin's take
The deal makes more sense to me after reading Richard Griffin’s analysis.
His read on it is that Hill is on the bubble in terms of making Type B status and he might actually accept arbitration if the Jays offered it. So this way we swap an iffy draft pick for Hill for a more likely one with Johnson should the Jays not want to resign him.
Moving Hill now also saves us the awkwardness of trying to prop up Hill through the rest of the season while also wanting to get a look at Hechevarria in September. With Hech’s option clock ticking year by year and holding his own at AAA, his time may come in 2012 and sooner rather than later.
Still sucks to lose a heart of the team in McDonald. Really don’t think the draft calculations are enough to warrant it, but if it gets Hech closer to making this team, then it will be worthwhile. And we can always try sign Johnny Mac back like we did in 2005.
..and if Johnson sits...
…won’t that help get him down to Type B? There is a significant risk that if he is a Type A, he wouldn’t decline arbitration, hence, no picks.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i don't see the downside in him accepting arbiration
we get an above average 2B for about 6~7 million, with another chance for 2 draft picks
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There's a downside...
…if AA wants the draft picks and not KJ.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
you get em next season
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besides
we weren’t getting draft picks with Hill and Mcdonald.
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Yep, either way, this is the absolute worst case scenario
1) He accepts arbitration and the Jays want nothing at all to do with him.
2) He wins arbitration case for 8 M
3) The Jays try to trade him for our perceived value, no one bites
4) The Jays try to trade him for pennies on the dollar, no one bites
5) The Jays cut him and are stuck paying one month’s severance pay.
This costs the Jays one month’s severance pay (which, from what I understand, they basically saved on not buying out Hill’s option, anyway) and the opportunity to try to renegotiate with Aaron Hill and John McDonald before they actually become free agents. Both players seem to want to return to the Jays anyway, so I’d imagine that wouldn’t be a major issue if we’re interested in bringing them back.
Finally, I think it’s hard to imagine the Jays not wanting Johnson next season and much harder to imagine that no team at all would want him. If anything, we should hope he accepts arbitration, I’d imagine one year of Kelly Johnson at what he’ll get (or the chance to negotiate a longer-term deal) is worth more than two draft picks (particularly considering Johnson’s low-A status, there’s a good chance we’re looking at a sandwich pick and a second-rounder instead of a sandwich and a first-rounder).
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In the blogosphere...
…there is lots of speculation why the Jays made this trade. The draft picks theory is the jays giving up Hill who is unlikely to decline arbitration if he holds on to his projected Type B status for Johnson who would be far more likely to result in a pick if he ends up as a Type B.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
but Johnson’s also better in both the short and long-term in every sense
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if you have confidence...
…that 2010 is his true talent level rather than 2009 or 2011. Wasn’t his 2010 inflated by a high BABIP?
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't, no
but his BABIP isn’t really crazy high compared to his career BABIP (30 points isn’t thaaat big) and his BABIP is almost 60 points lower than his career BABIP this year despite similar batted ball numbers, so a rebound is likely. I’d say his true talent is about 3-4 wins, and even in his poor luck season he’s having he’s over 2 wins better than Hill
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his BABIP in 2010 wasn't really crazy high*
though that was stupid, 30 points is a big difference
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an xBABIP calculator predicts he should have a .330 BABIP this year
which seems awfully high and would yield a very good 111 wRC+ for the season. if we regress his BABIP to career average (.309) we still get a solid-for-a-2B 101 wRC+. last year, though, he struck out less and walked more too, so it’s possible he could cut down on Ks over the offseason maybe
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2009 and 2011 have been deflated by babip
Think of him as similar to Escobar — Braves moved him at the low point of his value (non-tendered, right?)
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I'd think that he'd be a pretty valuable trade chip
if we really didn’t want him on our team (though I don’t see who we’d replace him with in-house, unless the Jays did try to bring back Hill or something?). On the other hand, he obviously didn’t command much yesterday, though part of the reason for that is likely that playoff teams are basically set and the only team that has a shot at the playoffs that would have wanted him (the Giants) wouldn’t have gotten a crack at him ’till after us.
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don't the Giants have priority over us in waiver claim?
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Priorities down matter...
…if the players have already cleared waivers. I though all players involved had cleared waivers at the beginning of t he month.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
yep, you're right
they’re in the same league, I’m an idiot
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I'd say that it's fairly unlikely he's Type A after next season, though
Considering that a fair part of that status is based on his excellent (and .377 babip-fueled) 2010 season. Unless the method of ranking changes (which it certainly could), Johnson would likely have to, basically, reproduce that 2010 season to maintain Type A status.
That said, I’m perfectly happy with the Jays bringing him back at about 6-7 M for the season and I’d imagine he’d still bring back a Type B status as well (though whether or not they’d still get compensation for that is up in the air).
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but isn't FA compensation based on the past 3 seasons?
i’d imagine he’d be better off with 2010~2012 numbers, not 2009~2011 numbers
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no, past two seasons
and if Johnson had a good 2012 (he has good batted ball numbers this season in spite of a low BABIP) he could command type A. not likely per se, but also not out of the question
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He's fringe Type A
and will be losing the best season of his career by rate- and counting-stats. I’d say it’s more than unlikely he stays Type A, unless the ranking method changes to include the last three years of data. If they do, I’d imagine he has a good chance at Type A.
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I just got home from after watching Crazy Stupid Love
I laughed harder at this news than anything in that movie.
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Anthopoulos continues to amaze me.
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nope
i’ll check my twatter
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Was Anthopoulos...
…in Crazy, Stupid Love? I don’t remember…
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
if he was, the movie would've been ten times better
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and he would have emptied my wallet, savings account and sold my car for a movie ticket without me knowing it
and I would have thought it was a good deal
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
don't feel bad, girlfriend already did
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol jays182 wont be too happy
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You got that right :(
Remember when we all talked about moments in sports where you’ve cried.
This is the closest I’ve come…2 crowd favourites gone…BOOM :(
A day that will live in infamy: August 4th, 2011
7 pissed off members of the Aaron Hill fanclub
So....
For AA’s next trick, lure CC Sabathia away from the Yankees in exchange for some Twinkies and a can of Coke Zero?
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions
Nah, he'll just lay down a trail of doughnuts from NY to Toronto.
CC will opt out of his contract and follow the trail.
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by JaysfanDL on Aug 23, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ooo piece of candy
ooo piece of candy
ooo piece of candy
ooo piece of candy
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"We have top men working on his contract."
“Who?”
“Top… men.”
They're not just hitting home runs. They're doing the little things, like hitting doubles.
If they were Krispy Kremes, that would work on just about anyone.
We’d definitely at least end up with Joba.
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that where his fastball went?
In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.
by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Aug 23, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i really want joba
i know it sounds weird cause he sucks now but i think hed do well out of ny
hed go for any food tho! ha!
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Lucifer...
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
someone with a wicked heater?
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
by JohnnyG on Aug 23, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belzabob, Satan, the Devil...
…Master of Hades.
(But I like Johnny’s response)
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
that's...
…a different “S”
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
We can't risk the trail of doughnuts method
What if bartolo saw it?! lol :P
by paul12 on Aug 24, 2011 3:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey bowling_guy are you making a thread
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AA: Kelly Johnson must fly back to Arizona to get his passport, will board flight to T.O. wed morning, unlikely ready for gametime.
Yikes, he is in for a long plane ride. Dbacks are in DC right now so he has to fly DC-Arizona-Toronto by tomorrow.
oh well, wasnt expecting him to play today anyway
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Is there any reason it couldn’t be overnight fed-exed to Buffalo, where Johnson meets it and then zips across the border? This isn’t that complicated…
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I thought that too
But it might take even longer and there is a risk of it getting lost. Might as well go home, pack his stuff, see his family etc.
He also forgot his watch on the statue of the Kangaroo by his bed.
That’s why he has to do it personally.
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Say the words: don't forget my Father's watch."
NSFKs (swears)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaaHEDzjT0&feature=related
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 23, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No this one is best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRYBqDDR_HE
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 23, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ShiDavidi Shi Davidi
AA says KJ not likely to join team before tomorrow night. Probably won’t play til Thursday
Probably.
What happens if Yunel has to leave the game?
teahen to 3rd, Lawrie to 2nd, McCoy to SS?
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That would so fuel the Lawrie to 2nd fire.
I guess that’s an emergency option though.
lol JaysTalk will go crazy if that happened
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Possibly, or Teahen plays 2B
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I'm happy we don't have to endure JMc's walkout song ever agian.
I love you Johnny but the Dave Mathews Band should be banned.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 23, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions
+1
Pearl Jam too.
Guynance - Goin straight nuts on your mind's lady parts
by Sharkridingbear on Aug 23, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm goint to miss...
…Hill’s Led Zeppelin walk out music.
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by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hill walks up to Foghat's 'Slowride'
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 23, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
This might be true
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AA says Bautista told him there’ll probably be riots in the streets of Toronto in repines to trade. AA hopes his house doesn’t get egged.
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Should they just award him the Executive of the Century award?
I mean… he just does not lose trades..
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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 23, 2011 4:28 PM EDT reply actions
Cashman is going to win.
Have you seen what he’s been able to accomplish in New York with the financial freedom that would cripple a handful of clubs in this league!
What he’s been able to cobble together with the payroll Steinbrenner is allowing is simply unprecedented in the history of baseball.
by eight_legged_freaks on Aug 23, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Just read through some of the comments and it's interesting to see the mixed reaction...
Despite my extreme happiness for the player we have acquired, I must admit that it will be strange not seeing J-Mac and Aaron in the jays line-up or on the bench. Both are professionals, and loved by the fans. I hope these two get to win a world series this year!
Pretty darn good
He hasn’t lost one, and this is probably the first one that hasn’t been lopsidedly in the Jays favour.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
and the rajai davis one wasnt good either
i didnt like the francisco trade at all but thats not a good example
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't davis just for 2 minor arms?
And yeah, Frank was a tough one, I’m pretty sure we would have kept Napoli if we weren’t so deep at C.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
Davis wasn't bad as a part time player for the value.
Considering we only gave up two minor league relievers, and got one of them back for Purcey.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but davis provides nothing other then stealing which they dont do anymore
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He makes a decent 4th OF
That’s worth 2 minor league relievers, one of whom we got back for Purcey. Not a bad deal at all.
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the point is tho that the deal wasnt lobsided
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i think those were the only non-lobsided ones tho
the rest were terribly lobsided ha!
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
HIs defence isn't so bad either.
As for not stealing, they would be if Davis wasn’t hurt. Most of the speedy guys are gone now though… Davis, Hill, Snider, Patterson.
by transmogrifier on Aug 23, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
loved how he got lord farquhar back after the davis debacle tho
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Since new years
Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera for Vernon Wells and Cash
Frank Francisco for Mike Napoli
Daniel Farquhar for David Purcey
Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen for Zach Stewart and Jason Frasor
Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet, PJ Walters and Trever Miller for Edwin Jackson, Mark Rzepczynski, Octavio Dotel and Corey Patterson
Kelly Johnson for Aaron Hill and John McDonald
So that’s six in 2011.
Watch him being a home run king now
Because of the humid air.
Trust me, I’m a scientist.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
Correction: Napoli for Francisco...
could be considered a loss.. but an understandable trade considering the circumstances…
We needed to give Arencibia playing time and already had Molina.
But all in all, a sparkling transactions record.
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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 23, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
but napoli couldve replaced e5 in the beginning of the year
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
But really limited position wise
Unless he can play 1B, he’d be our full time DH and back up catcher behind JP?
I’m not arguing that we couldn’t have used his bat, I’m just thinking there may not have been room for him.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
I don't think we could have gotten a 'quality' reliever for E5 tho..
Agreed though.. but it ended up working out for us.
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by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 23, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
just based in player performance
he lost the trade.i’m sure he would do it again though, it works for the team
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
For the cost of a .950OPS
utlitlity power hitter we got serviceable setup work for all but April plus a type-B from Francisco. The extra playing time that Napoli would have used was given to Molina and Encarnacion, who have also made type-B status and both produced at well above league average for their positions.
We basically lost about .100-.150 OPS at DH/C and gained three type-B supplemental picks and a year of Francisco being a body in the pen. Turned out to be a very good trade for us.
by TtD on Aug 23, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Looking at it like that, it is a pretty good deal
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i never looked at it that way
and ill have to agree with you that it was a good trade in the end but im not backing off the stance that i didnt like the trade one bit when it was announced
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a challenge trade with guaranteed value to the Jays in the type-B pick and low risk for both
The Rangers could let go a reliever, and we didn’t need a utility slugger. Worst that could happen was we got nothing, but odds were we would get at least one pick. That’s a pretty low risk deal for one year of what was until then a solid hitting power bat.
The deal worked out as best as possible for both sides, Napoli performed better than ever before and we got the maximum number of picks we could have (unless I suppose Frank could have snuck into type-A with a great year I guess) while getting the veteran rental we needed. It’s the best example of a win-win trade you could possibly put forward.
Will say I was a fan of the trade on day 1
I liked Napoli’s bat but not as much as others. Was proven wrong this season but still excited with the value.
i dont feel a lead is safe whenever franky comes into the game
and napoli’s bat ended being very good. still, considering what you pointed out about the trade i feel that is was good in the end if for nothing but the picks.
but i didnt like the trade from the beginning
by sniders' stash on Aug 23, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I could see why people thought that day 1
The value our side was a little more dependant than on the Rangers side. Guess this goes down as a case where AA gambled and won, sacrificing a little on paper talent-wise for future value.
Personally I loved it just to see the turmoil it caused/is causing for the LAA
Because it’s just hilarious and I hate the Angels.
Ball.
Hate LAA?
I see them as the Switzerland of MLB. Fairly neutral.
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That's fair
I don’t like Kansas City for some reason. The reason isn’t because it’s the Jays next opponent btw.
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1985 is why I hate the Royals
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I wasn't even close to being born so....Not the reason for me
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I really don't like them because of their pitchers
And their stupid quick pitches.
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
Wow, good luck to Hill and J-mac, were classy guys all the time……………hated to see Hill struggle like he did especially since he was such a respectable guy………………………..good luck in Arizona…………..Johnson having a huge down year, hopefully he pulls it together
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Very good trade for the Jays
maybe not the fleecing we’ve come to expect from AA, but solid acquisition nonethless.
Johnson is an upgrade over Hill even right now while both are slumping (.310 wOBA versus .265), and his recent slump is at least partially BABIP-driven (.257 this year despite 18.5% LD%). Even so, he’s on pace for a 2WAR season. Johnson’s a good bet to improve over his current numbers and put up something close to 3-4 WAR/year in the immediate future.
He’s certainly a better bet than Hill, and both would likely get similar arbitration awards coming off a down year as Hill makes $5M this year, Johnson just under $6M. They would get nominal raises, likely, after bad 2011 seasons.
This acquisition can play out in several ways:
1) Jays extend Johnson relatively cheaply due to his bad 2011 season and bounce-back potential. Could 3/25-30 do it? Assuming the high end of this range, this would represent a 3-4 win increase in overall production for the 2012 Jays compared with 2011, since Hill is replacement level this year,at a cost of $10M, which is a steal and a half.
2) Jays offer arbitration and Johnson accepts. The Jays get a definite upgrade at 2B for next year with high upside potential due to his low 2011 BABIP for reasonble money (say 6-7M for the 1 season). They can then evaluate Johnson in 2012 and decide to extend him at that point or, if he bounces back and can get a long term FA deal, let him go for picks and fill the 2B position some other way in 2013 (call up Hechavarria or FA then).
3) Jays offer arbitration and Johnson declines:
a) Jays resign Johnson, a player they could (would?) have targeted anyway, and they
get the exclusivity window as well
b) Johnson resigns elsewhere, and the Jays get the comp pick(s).
All of these result in distinct benefit for the Jays for little risk/cost, either in the form of keeping Johnson for relatively cheap (a definite slight upgrade over Hill and very possible large one) or comp picks that may not have been available had Hill stayed, as he might not hang onto Type B status had he stayed in the AL. Definite winner for the Jays.
Agree with everything you said
I think all of the fanbase is sad to see longtime Jays leave the organization, but moving forward its the right deal for them. Johnson has a higher upside and is more likely to bounce back, plus a change of scenery is probably what was needed for both guys.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
I always liked Hill and, obviously, JMac, too
but I didn’t want either around after this year. I’m not convinced McDonald is better than McCoy at this point and would cost a bit more to keep around. Hill just hasn’t gotten it done lately, and is only useful if we can resign him for super-cheap and we think he can field enough to be our super-sub of the future. Personally, I think McCoy is fine for the role.
i miss Johnny Mac already.
His midi-chlorian count is through the roof!
by hampsterman22 on Aug 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Has anyone ever tried to read comments on BlueJays.com...
Wow.. Sheer ignorance..
No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...
by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 23, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
I'm going to copy and paste what I posted above
on bluejays.com and then watch my head asplode.
LMAO
I can already imagine the comments you are going to hear back…
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Its best to not stray to the dark corners of message boards on hte internet… they are strong with the dark side.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
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by JohnnyG on Aug 23, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
They're pretty bad
I think it’s why we all hang out here.
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honestly, in the end, we got Kelly Johnson for nothing
KJ will probably accept arbitration, for a bout 6~7 million, and he’ll probably play better than Hill would. Macdonald, if he wants to come back, can come back after this season’s over.
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You think he would accept? I would have to check who needs a 2B in the offseason but he and Hill would basically be the best of the bunch
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i think he'll try to get a better deal next season
his value is low right now
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As much as we all love JMac
do we really want him back? Is he actually better than McCoy at this point in his career, and/or worth the extra $1M it would cost to resign him rather than just using McCoy as the UI?
I'd be down with that
though Butterfield does a great job teaching Mac’s specialty
i personally don't care either way
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AA on Jim Bowden's radio show
And said that the deal started when KT called him about McDonald. That’s the kind of guy you trade a C-grade Low-A prospect for, NOT an everyday second baseman.
stolen from snakepit
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coulda left the end out
clearly the call is what i wanted to reference =P
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lolololololol
LMAOrizona
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Now that I think about it. Its true.
JMac’s weight with the franchise is purely sentimental at this point.
Can we start the Gose watch yet?
something I'm not sure has been pointed out (but sorry if it has)
the Jays save $1M in this deal by not having to buy out Aaron Hill’s contract (since they wouldn’t be picking up his contract).
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Missed that completely.
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not an insignificant savings
though certainly not the focus of the trade, obviously. FanGraphs pointed it out.
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that savings
basically pays for the remainder of Johnson’s 2011 salary. Anything we get on top of that is pure profit.
so you're thinking something like this
step 1: trade worst second baseman in baseball and 7th worst offensive player w/ over 1000 PAs
step 2: acquire second baseman coming off 6 win season\
step 3: ???
step 4: profit
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Well that was out of the blue
Didn’t see this coming (obviously). Welp, got a team to pull for in the post-season and to make the postseason now
Go Arizona. Philadelphia would be alright too….
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Favorite Hill memory ...
His straight steal of home agains Yankees that made Andy Pettitte look like a block of wood. Luv ya Number 2!
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Post-season cheering order for me:
1) Diamondbacks
2)Brewers
3)Rangers
4) Tigers
5) Phillies
6)Braves
7) Yankees (ew)
8) Red Sox (more ew.)
its sad
that there won’t be any changes in teams that make it, thats the list. lol
boring september
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i forgot them
big whoop lol
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
it is a big deal in my list though, because Giants would be #6 ahead of only the ew and more ew.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
but the closer is injured!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
boo this man................ugh woman
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I forgive them because they’re Blue Jays. I’d hate Lawrie if he was on another team. :P
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
heh
I’d probably despise Joey Bats. but it’s nice to have a guy other teams hate for once
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Yeah...
Take it from me, it’s really easy to hate Bautista when he used to be on your team.
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A lot of non-Jays fans seem to really like Bautista though
Aside from Boston/NYY fans. I think he made some new fans by the way he treated that kid from South Hadley over the #beastmode hashtags.
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I've actually heard good things about him from Yank/Sox fans.
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
YES
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I really like the Giants, but I can't stand Brian Wilson
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now that Hafner looks like he is done
Tigers should be able to run away
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probably
but 5 weeks is a small enough sample that someone could have a crazy BABIP inflated run or something (see Jose Costanza). you never know!
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the Indians want Thome though probably wont get him
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the good thing about the Sox and Yanks being in the AL with us
you never have to cheer for one in the WS
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A.A for Prime Minister
His first move would be to trade 100 Koran’s to Iran. In exchange Iran would forfeit there effort’s to make a nuclear bomb and give us the rights to all there oil.
Syndergaard>Clemons
I like the joke
but politics and religion jokes don’t go over well here. just opening a can of worms
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hardly a religious or political joke
just a joke about how AA could fleece a world leader.
Sorry
My post was not meant to be a political or religous joke. Just a joke about A.A’s super human powers to get whom ever, what ever he wants for next to nothing. My apologies if any one takes offence.
Syndergaard>Clemons
S'all good
But it’s spelled Quran, I believe ;)
by leafsfan4life94 on Aug 23, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
At first read I thought it said "100 Korean's to Iran"
Didn’t get it
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both
I beleave it can be spelled either way. But your right Qur’an is the original spelling of the word:-)
Syndergaard>Clemons
huh.
So what I’m seeing is Johnson/Hill are a wash at this point. The real crux of this trade is the fact that they essentially traded PMOD for a much more likely chance at a sandwich pick seeing as Hill most likely would’ve taken his arb raise. WIll miss Mac, but solid job AA.
The roof comes off right?
"Johnson/Hill are a wash at this point"
umm
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no they're not
even in a crummy season for KJ, he has 10 points of OBA and over 100 of SLG on Hill, though his defense is worse.
wrong.
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by jays182 on Aug 23, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol i feel sorry for your fanclub
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We're slowly recovering from our loss Noname3. I'm glad further up the thread that you remembered me for my Hill love.
J-mac on Primetime Sports right now btw.
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He's happy
Sees himself as a rental and then back to the Jays with experience. Hope so
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Yea during the press con, Mac sound so confident he will be back
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Odds that both Hill and J-Mac get back?
65%?
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I'd say much lower
but the chances that one comes back (in any capacity) is pretty high
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I'd say J-Mac is like 95%, likely as a coach
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If we’re talking next year, Im not sure… out of all the utility guys in the league, the D-Backs wanted him. Someone will give him a contract and he’ll probably take it… I don’t think he’ll be coaching till at least 2013-14
The Jays might take him as a back-up for cheap too
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that was hilarious
rec’d
what is 48÷2(9+3) ---> 2 or 288?
not an opinion
it’s a statement of incorrect fact. “So what I’m seeing is Johnson/Hill are a wash at this point” describes seeing a fact, not an opinion. maybe it’s semantics, but he was saying “Johnson and Hill are equally good at baseball this season” which is objectively wrong.
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Well you could leave out the 'wrong' part.
This site is good because no one tells you that you’re flat out wrong. (And I wanted to use a douchebag gif)
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by jays182 on Aug 23, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
not to mention, saying “so what I’m seeing” essentially makes it an opinion, not a statement of fact.
That gif is hilarious
Anything resembling douchebagery was gettin' that
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Check the UZR for both, Johnson is better at defence too, at least for the last 3 years
I’m not sure what other defensive metrics say though.
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ADR says HIll was better overall
but last season, Johnson was better.
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
youre the pot
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Babysit me!
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LoL
anytime
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by TonyFernandezSavedMyLife on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Any ideas as to why the D-backs would trade Johnson for Hill, Johnson seems to have the upside over Hill, I would rather have the power. Is Hill’s Defence better than Johnson?
*Jays fan since 1977*
they wanted the PMoD
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
they sold extremely low on johnson
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first you guys wanted rasmus, we got him.
then you wanted k. johnson, we got him.
what’s next, Fielder?
what is 48÷2(9+3) ---> 2 or 288?
and put him where lol
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
we can just leave him on twitter, probably.
:P
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I want J-Mac and Hill so....
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by jays182 on Aug 23, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
he plays LF, right? we could put him there.
/is still thinking about this
/really really wants LoMo
by leaflover4ever on Aug 23, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
snider? thames?
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
CC + Fielder, then call it a day
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sad to see Hill go, sad at what could have been...
I’m sad to see Hill go but i’m also sad that we never got to see Hill live up to the potential that we saw in him. It felt like we had a superstar at 2B who would be the cornerstone of our future playoff runs. Then he fell of the face of the earth. The last time i felt such initial excitement for a player only to have it turn to bitter disappointing was with Jose Cruz Jr. When we got him from Seattle for Timlin, I was sure that we had a future perennial all-star. He finished 2nd to Nomar for rookie of the year and the future looked bright. Then it was discovered he couldn’t hit a curve ball to save his life and he was never the same player that hit 26 homers as a rookie. Is there anything more disappointing then seeing such a bright future in a young player and then slowly watching that future die right before your eyes along along with the teams playoff hopes for yet another year? What i will miss most of Aaron Hill is what could have been and what i won’t miss is the bitter disappointment of unfulfilled dreams.
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by masterkembo on Aug 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
AA on Primetime Sports
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My feelings surprise me
I have been hard on Hill this year but I will miss him. I remember his rookie season when he was a cause for hope and had a bright future ahead of him. Good luck, Aaron.
So, wow.
These kinds of trades in August are awesome.
I think you guys win, but it’s close. Certainly not a Rasmus-type steal.
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I think this deal was better than the Rasmus deal
we gave up nothing that we can’t have back next season for a couple million dollars, we get back KJ for a month, either 1~2 draft picks or KJ back for 2012 at less than Hill’s option cost or long term extension. we also save 1 million for declining hill’s options. For Rasmus, we actually gave up a couple picks and a decent RP in Rzepczynski
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who isn't even being used
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
rzepczynski?
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they've got years of control on him
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hes still not being used
tlr is an idiot
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
tlr is an idiot
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Talk about BUY LOW, SELL LOW
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he sold high on Mcdonald!
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by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hill and Johnson, when on, are two of the best 2Bs in the game.
They’re simply not on at the moment, though.
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by Frederick0220 on Aug 23, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hill really wasn't all that great, even in his 36 HR season
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Uhhhh
When you say not that great….You mean?
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.330 OBP
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You picked one stat
All star, Silver Slugger, 5+ rWAR, >.280 avg. I’ll take it too be honest
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by jays182 on Aug 23, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
5.4 BB%
4.1 fWAR
All star and Silver Slugger isn’t a stat
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he was good
not great
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a better 2nd baseman then him that year was..?
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh i know that doesn't mean anything per say
nevermind
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 23, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Zobrist, Utley, Pedroia, Kinsler,
and maaaaybe Cano
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Since you're throwing out stats
36 Hr’s
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counting stats aren't nearly as important as rate stats
just saying
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Okay well Jeter's chase for 3000 was a little more important than his WAR
Using any type of stat he was fairly great that year
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boo
yah!
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Postseason infield
JMAC, Hill, Overbay!!!!
by Steve02 on Aug 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm excited...
…to have another infielder named “Kelly”. I think good things happened the last time we had one of those:)
by Timothyrc on Aug 24, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
why… (apart from the obvious)
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Blue Jays in the desert
August 2, 2006
In Ryan Roberts first MLB game he subs Aaron Hill late at 2b. Also in the lineup for the Jays are Lyle Overbay at 1st and Johnny Mac at SS.
August 24, 2011
D-backs infield: Overbay, Hill, MacDonald and Roberts.
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