Jose Bautista and Brett Lawrie Homer: Jays Beat Royals
by Tom Dakers on Aug 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT
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A small hint to other AL teams, don't get Jose Bautista mad. Luke Hochevar hit Yunel Escobar with a pitch, Yunel wasn't pleased, I'm not thinking it was on purpose, but Jose Bautista made Hochevar pay by taking him deep for a 2 run homer that gave us our first lead and he gave a little stare at the pitcher just to make his point. The Royals tied it again, then Brett Lawrie hit another home run, in the 7th, to give us the lead again. We kept it and won.
Ricky Romero didn't have his best start. He hit Alex Gordon to start off the game. He gave up a run in the 1st, in the 3rd and in the 5th. He pitched 6 innings, gave up 8 hits, 3 earned, 4 walks with 3 strikeouts. He had to battle but he kept it close enough for us to pull out a win.
Jesse Litsch, Casey Janssen and FrankyMcFrankFrank each pitched a scoreless inning of relief. I am likely how our pen is coming around. Jesse got the win, Casey a hold and Frank the save, his 11th.
Jays of the Day are Lawrie (.313 WPA), Francisco (.169), Bautista (.141) and Janssen (.124). I am going to give one to Litsch too, at .090 he was close and his was an important inning. Lind, whose bat has turned so cold gets the Suckage at -.098 for an 0 for 4.
Our batters, as a group, have cooled of late. Only 5 hits today. 2 for Brett.
Tomorrow night the Jays go up against Canadian Jeff Francis (4-14, 4.89). Brett Cecil (4-6, 4.24) starts for the us.
Looks like Colby Rasmus will miss 3 or 4 games his the sore wrist. I'm expecting that Darin Mastroianni will stay up with the team and the Jeroloman will be going back to Vegas tomorrow when Kelly Johnson arrives. But I've been wrong before.
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You’ve been wrong before?!?
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He let TFSML become a mod.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
:o What now? It's your move now TFSML
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TFSML summons Exodia
TFSML wins.
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Thanks for the write up Tom
Not to nitpick, I think there’s a spelling mistake. “…I am likely how…” Should be ‘liking’, right?
Awesome game tonight. Let’s hope this offence can get hot again.
Will need it for the face off’s against the three headed beast of the east.
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
Tom is on vacation and wrote it up quick since I was in the storm. Likely he did it quick
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Everything fine over there?
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
by StreakyJays on Aug 25, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to nitpick...
But shouldn’t it be face-offs (according to iPhone autocorrect) or faceoffs even? Give him a break.
No Pressure Kyle, We've Already Replaced You...
by JaysFanExiledinOTT on Aug 25, 2011 4:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, I didn't say he didn't do a great job, he did.
Just that there was a minor spelling error. You’re right. It’s face-off.
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
by StreakyJays on Aug 25, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
AL East
im so sick of the 4th place blue jays playing in the AL East. I realize this is an argument that is often posted, but please do something. The Rays could win 90+ and not make playoffs. Baltimore would win the NL West.
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 10:44 PM EDT reply actions
"but please do something."
umm…?
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I'm on hold with Bud Selig
Hold on
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by jays182 on Aug 24, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tell that guy to eat chillies all day.
Once over the hill, you pick up speed.
by StreakyJays on Aug 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You made sense till the last sentence.
Scratch that part
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Baltimore would win the NL West
This is incorrect. Baltimore couldn’t win anything.
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Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
they could win The Contest
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They win the draft order often
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Fine,
Baltimore couldn’t win anything
Baltimore couldn’t win any Major league division
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
nah, I think they could win the AL Central with a little bit of luck
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its the worst division by far
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AL Central?
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Baseball Nooooob
Get out!
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clearly because you don't even watch the games
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this is true
I do not, in fact, watch AL Central games
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by benk on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They are #1 in SBN Taglines!
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
KJ tomorrow!!!
WOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Baltimore
Johnny Mac is the best player in the NL West and he didnt start for the Jays
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
oh yeah
okay buddy
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he's not even the best player on his team
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Plagiarizing my comment!
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I got it first!
Pikachu used Quick Attack!
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by Pikachu on Aug 24, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Johnny Mac isn't the best player on Arizona or their infield
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I think he's trying to bait us
we lost
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don't feed the trololololol's
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
I enjoy it
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It's fun.
Especially when they come back and make the same dumb argument to try and piss us of, or because they don’t no any better. Still it make’s for more tension around here, which isn’t fun.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Well saying something mean creates tension
Naming 24 other players on the team that are better shouldn’t
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I meant in general.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
nah
lets not be mean. I don’t think its trolling if one doesn’t know any better
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You guys are so stupid
Blue Jays would win the AL Central, NL Central, NL West and be competitive in the AL West and NL East. That was obviously what I was getting at. Stop being so stupid
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
The NL East
Oh obviously. They got like the Mets and the Nats…and the…..The Mets…
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A) PLease use the reply button -----------------------^^^
Be there is a MAJOR difference between Baltimore and the Jays. Bust read our tag line. We agree with this point, so please don’t insult us.
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Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
how about-
telling everyone else to read the tag line, and not insult my posts. Sure I was being facetious and not being literal with Baltimore, but bloggers don’t understand sarcasm.
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Sarcasm font is bookended with @@
Such as I love this conversation
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i wasnt aware of the nerd policy
sorry
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
oh zing
you are on fire
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I got owned
*Ashmed
Wait sorry I got Owned
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How about...
…pwnd
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So true. My reaction to being pwned
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by jays182 on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha
rec’d
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Truly, truly shocked
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seconded
We could use an ABJN around here :)
ABJN? Am I missing something :S
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It isn't a nerd policy it is part of this blog's culture
You can choose to use the sarcasm if you wish, but if you don’t then others may not understand your sarcasm and I guess you’ll have to accept that.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont care if people aren't perceptive
nerd culture is taking over. I still the Holden Caulfield was understandable, but I didn’t shoot John Lennon either
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
if you don't like nerds, you might as well go to Bleacher Report
they have tons of douchebags over there.
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people that read books
maybe I’d be more accepted there
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i doubt people at BR read books
but you might as well try
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in fact, I'd be surprised of BR readers read anything other than the crap they keep publishing
but whatever.
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If by "crap" you mean...
Extremely important updates on who the hottest WAG in MLB is, then i agree. This is important information dude!
LOL…
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 25, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
They do...
…but they are in 24 point and they move their lips when they read.
Hugo thinks I'm a lazy academic
by bluejaysstatsgeek on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And each word gets it's own slide
WAR isn't for children / WAR is nothing's enough
by Gerse on Aug 25, 2011 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We're not nerds
I just hacked into Apple btw
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you are bragging that you hacked into apple
and also said you are not a nerd.
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not seeing the correlation
hacking = nerd?
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i see
if you don’t talk like a douchebag and are good at using computer, you must be a nerd. I can’t believe I missed that.
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OK that's enough on this topic.
Thank you.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Posted before I saw your comment
Ma bad
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Wow 1st use of power, you got to be proud of yourself lol
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can I revolt
or would I be banned?
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You will be dealt with appropriately.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i watched revenge of the nerds.
they invented the glory hole. good for you guys
by bluenose bluebird on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Btw
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by jays182 on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the joke was clear but since it wasn't, this pic was necessary.
Who actually hacks Apple…
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If you wanna be sarcastic and are worried others don't understand sarcasm
Use the “sarcasm font”.
Simply type “@” before and after a sarcastic sentence. For example, this is a sarcasm font
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey bluenose bluebird
Welcome to Bluebird Banter. It is much easier have conversations if you click reply to previous messages to keep the same subject to one thread. Also have a look at the rules of posting here.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
oh come ON
The Jays are good. Not so good that they’d win in 3 of 6 divisions. we’d be competitive.
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Wow. The above treatment of the new poster
is kinda lame. I’ve been reading this blog (and comments) for a long time now and usually its been entertaining, witty, etc etc with plenty of good baseball commentary.
For what its worth it seemed like some new person. Maybe an idiot but maybe just overstating his points at first. Then someone called him a troll and the “this is our turf” stuff seemed to start. Didn’t really see a need for that.
by Mike Friesen on Aug 25, 2011 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey a guy on JaysTalk gave the Drunks a shoutout!
Please someone do it for Bluebird Banter tomorrow night!
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You should.
Your a mod now after all.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
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Yaaa mod step up
*Grabs the pitchforks.
Earn your place mod!!!!
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Will call when I find out some neat stats
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd liike to do it
when does JaysTalk happen usually? and what number?
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Right after the game
Don’t know number
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It happens after every game unless it is a weekday afternoon affair
416-870-0590, *590, 1-888-666-0590
Start calling with 1 or 2 outs in the ninth.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
1888 something 590
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 25, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Adam Lind
Anyone else afraid he’s regressing to last year’s form?
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Me
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looking more and more like 2009 was the outlier
but, again, he’s young, so we’ll see
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He might just continue to be a very streaky guy
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
or be a .750 OPS guy
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but his LD rate
yeah yeah, i get it benk
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even with the line drive rate, I’m not sure if he’s that good of a hitter. yeah he is getting unlucky with the balls hit in play but he is also swinging at bad pitches. At this point, he looks like Thames.
He’s lost his plate discipline
by Sniderlover on Aug 24, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
nope
if you adjust for his xBABIP, he should be hitting as well as Encarnacion has been, about 125 wRC+, which isn’t bad for a 1B
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it’s not bad but I think we all know Lind can be better
by Sniderlover on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
its not too far off from his 140 in 2009
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sure but I don’t see him getting back to that level until he shows more plate discipline.
2009: 24.7% Oswing… 43.8 swing%… 7.2 SwStr%
2011: 37.1 Oswing… 51.5 swing … 10.3 SwStr
His Oswing and swing% are an increase from 2010 as well and those are a massive jump from his 09 numbers. He is swinging at too many pitches and especially ones out of the zone.
Eric Thames: 38.6 Oswing%… 52 swing%… 12.3 SwStr%
We talk about Thames needed to improve his plate discipline and stop hacking so much at every pitch. Lind needs to do the same.
by Sniderlover on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
simple positive BABIP regression
would result in him being a 3+ win first baseman. his batted ball numbers suggest his BABIP should be around .320, which is substantially higher than it is now
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Ehhh I don’t know if you can just look at BABIP and determine where he should be. Maybe he should be there but I am a little bit skeptical.
Lind’s BABIP the past 2 months is very low while his LD% is solid but it’s also very similar to Hill who has has a low BABIP the past 2 months and in general this season while his LD% has still been good.
So I dunno… I’m a bit skeptical.
by Sniderlover on Aug 25, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
their batted ball numbers really aren't comparable
Lind has a line drive rate over 4% higher than Hill, and an IFFB rate almost 7% lower. Lind squares up balls about 25% more often than Hill does, and gives up half as many free outs on fly balls.
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besides the fact that
Lind’s fly balls are leaving the ballpark well over four times as often as Hill’s, and Lind’s good-but-not-great ISO of .195 (undoubtedly deflated by a lack of doubles falling in for base hits) is 107 points higher than Hill’s putrid .088
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Fair enough. But Lind’s best month (June) in which he had a 1.029 OPS but also had his lowest LD% at 18.3 but also had a 10.6% walk rate with a .306 BABIP.
I’m not saying he should hit less line drives and somehow he will hit better but despite hitting tons of line drives, he hasn’t been hitting that well for most of the season with the exception of June.
I just think he needs to be a little more disciplined and started walking more if he wants to get back to that elite level.
Right now, it looks like he is a good but not great hitter with 2009 being an outlier.
by Sniderlover on Aug 25, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
a good but not great hitter on a solid contract is fine
I’d be perfectly happy if he hit in tune with his xBABIP; he’d be a 3 win first baseman for $5M
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I can deal with streaky. He just seems to me that he forgets what type of hitter he is. I’d like to see him not try to pull the ball all the time. He has much more success up the middle or going the other way. Just my opinion.
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by signstealer on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree.
He’s way more effective when he uses the whole field. Seems like he forgets about taking pitches the other way for a while, then remembers and does it for a game or two, then starts try to pull again.
Pitchers notice and he’s getting killed by pitches off the outside of the plate now. Too pull conscious and can’t wait long enough to drive some of those the other way.
by transmogrifier on Aug 25, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he's not that young
Almost a year older than Prince Fielder, for example.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes him sound old
he’s 28.
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Aaron Hill is 29
would you call him young too?
And, yes, my intent was to emphasize his old-ness, as he’s not just getting started anymore. Lind got his cup of coffee five years ago. Five years from now, he’ll but out of the traditional “prime” years for a baseballer. He should be, and needs to be raking now.
I wonder how his season would have gone without his back troubles.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 25, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
or without terrible luck on balls in play
for no easily discernible reason
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Afraid he's regressing? No, he's already regressed.
What I’m worried about is that this is his true talent level. The sad thing is that these past few weeks it seems like making a run at signing Prince Fielder hasn’t sounded like such a crazy idea.
by shuswapslugger on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
have you guys ever looked at the team stats of the 1954 Athletics?
Some crazy stuff…
The team finished the year with a total WAR of 2.1. Only 2 players on the team had a WAR above 1, Jim Finigan – 3.2 & Billy Shantz 1.1. Worst team ever…
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
WAR numbers back then are questionable
The defensive metrics aren’t very useful if it goes that far back. Even so, thats a pretty damn bad team
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you might like this article pikachu...
Worst baseball players ever http://jimjividen.blogspot.com/2009/08/20-worst-baseball-players-ever.html
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by Sean Coleman on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's tough to say 'worst baseball players ever'
Because they made the majors, so they had substantial skill.
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not really
I’m not into historical baseball. Just doesn’t interest me when it goes that far back
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anything before 2008 disinterests me
unless it was really a big deal
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I honestly don't know who John McGraw is
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Then your understanding of baseball is
severely inhibited. Without a breadth of understanding for how the game developed strategically (I’m not just talking managerial strategy here, I’m talking players’ approaches, including batting, pitching, fielding, positioning, etc.), you will never really have a full appreciation for how the game is played today.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
umm
that is false. Not debating this.
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If you want to be willfully ignorant
that’s your prerogative. For someone who is looking for answers to questions about baseball, though, ignoring 120+ years of historical data seems like a pretty bad idea.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
I was pointing out the mere fact that I wasn’t interested in historical baseball. I wasn’t expecting to be called out on “not fully appreciating baseball”. Honestly, you can’t dictate that to anyone else, and if you are, you’re being an ass.
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Whoops, that did make me look like an ass
Please, accept this apology. I definitely did not mean to say that you don’t “appreciate the game” the way that folks say "if you just look at numbers you don’t appreciate the game. I meant “appreciate” in the sense of being able to best perceive why certain approaches to the game are most valuable.
As an example, I hear from other people all the time about how no one knew how important OBP and positional adjustments were until recently (specifically after the publication of Moneyball). This is nonsense, spouted by people who’ve obviously never paid any attention to the game before Moneyball was published.
The player (and, more famously, manager) that dex mentioned above, John McGraw (who played in the 1890’s) walked 17% of the time and had an OBP of .466.
Eddie Yost, a third baseman who played in the 40’s and 50’s, was known as “The Walking Man” — he was an atrocious fielder who hit for low average and little power, yet his career spanned almost 2 decades (and he received MVP votes in three separate seasons).
Another Eddie, Stanky, a contemporary of Yost, was a second baseman who had a similar approach to batting and received MVP votes four separate times (even placing 3rd and 7th), although he was never top-10 in batting average or slugging percentage.
A third Eddie, Joost, was a shortstop who also played in the 40’s and 50’s (!), received MVP votes (11th) in a season when he batted .206 / .348 / .330. He developed some power a bit later on, accumulating 23 WAR after the age of 31.
Again, please accept the apology, I was not trying to imply that you don’t enjoy the game as much as anyone else.
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
apology accepted
let’s be friends :)
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you got it
by the way, what’s with Jesse Litsch? I think he’s gained some weight
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
just wondering… what if Colby Rasmus is not the answer for CF going forward? has anyone else had that (horrible) thought cross their mind?
I know I know, SSS…
Gose
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
by Sean Coleman on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We still have min of 3 years of control on Colby, so if 3 yrs later
if he is “not the answer”, Gose should be ready
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But at what point would you determine that he's not the answer?
Don’t forget that Gose is in the pipeline.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well we still got Gose
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I'm no worried at this point
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good plate discipline
ability to play above average/great CF
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And he's what, 24?
He just moved to a different city/country. He’s still developing and getting used to his new surroundings. I say give him some time. Center fielders who can hit even halfway decently don’t grow on trees.
If we’re still having this conversation at this time next year or in the spring of 2013 then I’ll be worried.
by shuswapslugger on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Waaaaayyyy too early to worry about Rasmus. He’s obviously got talent but needs adjustment time… new team, new league with unfamiliar pitchers, new country.
Seems like a reserved type too so it will likely take some time for him to feel comfortable.
by transmogrifier on Aug 25, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
I love Gose’s potential but he needs time to work on his plate discipline. He is young and has time. Marisnick is young too but already seems to have the good eye at the plate and good speed too.
by transmogrifier on Aug 25, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Gose is also playing 2 levels higher at the same age. Gose does seem to have a good eye at the plate as he is drawing a tons of walks but struggles to make contact.
Main thing I don't like about him
And Marisnick projects to hit for more power.
Gose has really surprised me though.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw this on a billboard the other day
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by Pikachu on Aug 24, 2011 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lol are you serious
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I almost had a car accident
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That's uncomfortably uncomfortable
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so its comfortable
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I've been using that saying for years and never noticed that
Thank you sir
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what a horrid print ad
You’d think that a company that has enough money to get Jose Bautista to pose for them will have enough money to pay for a proper artist
@BBBMinorLeaguer
by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't let ESPN see that
They’ll use it as further speculation that he’s juicing.
The man in the white shirt.
by durga2112 on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Well,
if he can hit 54 home runs with a bat like that…
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw that on Sun.
I didn’t notice the type of drink he was holding, not very effective I guess. Ether that or I’m not perceptive.
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
Emphasize
“Juice”. :-)
I kid, I kid.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No Juice
I think this should completely rule out any possibility to all those haters that Jose is on steroids. There is no way any one would do an ad for a product called Booster Juice if they were on steroids;-)
Syndergaard>Clemons
by bigbabybuda on Aug 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that's what he wants you to think!
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 3:47 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I see that one everyday on my walk to the subway
It’s been up for the last couple of weeks.
Hic sunt fortuna dracones
Kyle Drabek
6.2 IP, 8 hits, 1 ER, 3 BB, 2 K’s
Threw 111 pitches, 68 for strikes. 7-5 GO/AO
All of his base hits allowed were singles with the exception of one. He was throwing more strikes tonight. Allowed a walk to his last batter before leaving and one of his other walks came after an 0-2 count.
He needs to get a few more swinging strikes. But overall, a decent start
interesting
good for him
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Good for the team if it's truly a step forward and not just a good start
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
he’s had a few starts like those with the exception of last one and his first two.
I would like to see a dominant start from him which he hasn’t had yet.
by Sniderlover on Aug 24, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm still worried with that outing
He was walking guys, allowing hits, and not striking guys out. Sounds like the same current broken Kyle Drabek.
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 12:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the strikeouts will come when he improves his command and starts locating his pitches where he wants to. Right now, it just seems like he is throwing strikes and pitching to contact.
Obviously the walks are still a issue but at least he’s not walking 4-5 guys we saw when he was up here.
I don’t really care about the hits he gives up or his ERA in PCL.
by Sniderlover on Aug 25, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Baby steps… Drabek’s a young guy that needs to work on focus. That isn’t going to happen overnight. The talent is definitely there and what matters right now is getting him to get the most out of it.
by transmogrifier on Aug 25, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
OT
That one Corona Light rooftop party commercial has great music
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Anybody post the Bautista stare-down GIF yet?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
Credit where it's due
It is the work of Ian the Blue Jay Hunter
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
#jerkball
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Sounds dirty
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I wish this gif started a bit later
And ended a bit later, so we could see his #jerkball bat drop and more venomous stare-down.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 25, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
lol Lawrie
Watching him run is kinda sorta funny.
Also, why didn’t Kelly play?
by CaptainCanuck on Aug 25, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not in Toronto yet
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Has 3 days to report. Team was in Washington but he had to go back home to get passport.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
Yes
Being in the NL, he wouldn’t bother carrying his passport with him.
Plus, he probably wants to pack some stuff to bring to TO because the Jays are in an extended period where they play without an off day and he won’t be able to go back home for a while.
Yep. This sort of stuff happens.
I think you'll find I'm universally recognised as a mature and responsible adult.
Twitter is the thing with all the tweets...
there was the passport pickup thing
Plus, his team was on the road. Hill and JMac had the benefit of being on a homestand at the time of the trade, so they could go straight home and to the airport.
KJ had to go to Phoenix, and given that he probably didn’t keep a bag packed in the event of a trade, probably needed some time to gather some things, considering the Jays don’t have an off-day until September 12th (woo! for us fans).
And I imagine it might have been impossible to fly in to southern Ontario this evening.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 25, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
Brett
All hail Brett Lawrie A.K.A “Golden Child” Jay of the day!!!
Syndergaard>Clemons
I'm hoping he decides to sport a pencil-thin mustache
So I can call him Lawrie Bossman with impunity and pride.
by 1994 WS Champs on Aug 25, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
testing out the new sbnation app
Don’t think I’m going to be using it too often. Reading comments is kind of hard.
by Nadia on Aug 25, 2011 12:54 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Atleast you got an app to work with, im still rocking an old symbian phone
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dang reply fail
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This apparently goes against some sort of universal rule...
That Lind can’t heat up at the same time that Bautista is hot. He only starts hitting when Bautista slumps. I still can’t get my head around it but it sure is frustrating to watch! This is why I am hoping more and more we actually do go out and get Fielder… He will put up numbers consistently instead of us all holding our hats praying for Lindy to get hot and produce…
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The Blue Jays version of the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle,
perhaps?
"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"
#nerd
speaking of nerds, from Dirk Hayhurst’s personal website:
“I was just a poor moisture farmer in the Dagobah system living underneath my foster parent’s staircase until an owl delivered to me a letter telling me I was invited to play baseball at a school infested with Force wielding vampires in Forks, Washington. It was a wild ride. Discover the man behind the story here.” (it doesn’t actually link anywhere)
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lulz
i love dirk
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Anyone know what's happening with Villanueva?
Been a while now, thought his injury situation was minor in nature? He’d be a nice complement back in the Jays’ bullpen, and that would help keep his innings down.
Lawrie's fWAR is now 1.0
And that’s after only 18 games. That puts him into a tie with Thames for 6th place amongst the Jays’s position players. The only players ahead of him are JPA and EE (both with 1.1), Molina (1.5), Escobar (4.2), and Bautista (7.7). I know the kid has to come down to Earth eventually (or does he…?), but holy crap, these last few weeks sure have been fun to watch!
The man in the white shirt.
he's been stuck at 1.0 WAR for a couple games now
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He fell back to .8 fWAR a few games ago
Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?
Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".
what a slacker
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