Minor League Recap: Who's in Beast Mode?
I've been away for a while, hopefully you didn't miss the minor league recaps too much.
Las Vegas (won 6-2)
Brett Lawrie has been in #beastmode all year long, and he went 1-for-3 with a walk yesterday. He hit two liners, but got only one hit. His .344/.417/.625 line since returning from injury is about as beastly as one can get. John Farrell has said that Lawrie will be up before the quality of pitching is reduced in September, but we don't know when exactly. Let's hope Brett doesn't get hit again before that happens. We've waited long enough...
David Cooper (2-for-4, K) has been in #beastmode all season long, recording an OBP over .435 in each of the four months he's played. He finished July with a .371/.457/.577 line, improving his OBP compared to June, though with a little less power (.206 ISO). While we may have thought in May that his strong start was a fluke, his consistent hitting should by now have convinced us Cooper can hit PCL pitching. But can he hit major league pitching or will he top out as a quadruple-A player?
Adam Loewen's July line of .327/.407/.510 looks pretty beastly, until you realize that it's the PCL, where LF/1B/DH types need to hit better than that. His 14/22 BB/K rate was a big and important improvement over the previous seasons, but it came with a drop in power. I'd like him to succeed of course, but given that Loewen's out of options and behind Lind/Snider/Encarnacion/Thames/Cooper on the depth chart, that may be unlikely to happen with the Jays.
P.J. Walters had a definite #beastmode outing yesterday, striking out 7 hitters in 4 innings of one-run ball. He was probably on a pitch count, leaving after having thrown just 64 pitches. I'd have been fine with him in the bullpen, and maybe that's ultimately his best spot with the Jays, but they want to either try him out as a starter, or fill a need in Vegas right now. I feel he's an underrated aspect of the Rasmus trade, as he might turn out to be a serviceable reliever.
New Hampshire (won 7-6)
With two doubles and a homer, the #beastmode of the day came from Travis d'Arnaud. When Lawrie loses his prospect status, d'Arnaud will be a fine #1 prospect to have. After a disappointing and strikeout-filled June (.258/.314/.433), Travis put up an impressive .392/.441/.676 line in July. He'll need to watch his strikeouts and he should probably draw more walks, but it's really hard not to get overexcited at the idea of d'Arnaud hitting like Brian McCann while hopefully providing good defense behind the plate. I don't want to lose Arencibia, but J.P. will get another year to prove himself offensively and defensively, while d'Arnaud will likely be destroying Triple-A.
Anthony Gose's July was secretly very good, with a .371 OBP and a .198 ISO. But while Gose has been very good at drawing walks, he's been even better at striking out, which is a concern and could indicate an exploitable flaw in his hitting. However, he's just 20, and even if there's something exploitable there, he could very well improve and become a great hitter who plays great defense. I liked the Wallace-Gose deal when it was made, and I like it even more now.
Deck McGuire pitched 6 innings, striking out 5 and walking one, but he did give up 2 homers and 3 runs total. A very positive sign from McGuire is that he has induced upwards of 50% groundballs in two Double-A starts so far, and I recently read somewhere that he's been taught to attack hitters down in the zone by the Jays' staff. He had a groundball percentage of 52% in his last month with Dunedin as well, so it seems he's taken it to heart. Henderson Alvarez, meanwhile, improve both his K and BB-rates, but suffered a big drop in his groundball rate in July. It's worth watching to see if Alvarez' pitching style is now different.
Dunedin (off-day)
Although Nestor Molina was the early #beastmode king in Dunedin, he has been a little less dominant lately. Still very good, just not as good as a newer member of Dunedin's rotation: Drew Hutchison. While I really like Nestor Molina, and while I think Alvarez and McGuire have good chances to become major league starters, I think Hutchison is the best bet to become a great pitcher. In his last three starts, Drew has seemed to figured out the FSL hitters (at the tender age of 20) as he's struck out 7 or 8 (twice) hitters in each of those starts, while limiting them to 2 walks. He's another guy who gets groundballs more than half the time, so really, there's nothing there to suggest he's not a top 100 prospect.
Lansing (lost 3-6)
Marcus Knecht (3-for-4, double) has been in #beastmode all season long, and although he finished July with a season worst .373 OBP and .145 ISO, he also had his best BB/K ratio yet. Given his age, it's a bit strange he's not been promoted to Dunedin yet. Jake Marisnick has been a bit more inconsistent, but his .333/.411/.538 line in July inspires a lot of confidence, as does his 13/12 BB/K rate over that month. It's hard not to dream on the guy becoming a star on both sides of the ball. What a prospect to have as a backup plan for Anthony Gose. And what a system.
Vancouver (won 3-1)
Oh my goodness Justin Nicolino is good. Yesterday he struck out "just" 5 batters in 5 innings, but he only gave up a groundball single and a walk, while all of the balls hit in play against him were on the ground except for one "lazy pop fly" (described by a commenter on minorleagueball.com). According to people who were at the game, his velocity was 90-92, hitting 94 once. He showed a great, deceptive changeup and was very good at repeating his delivery. Vancouver initially got only one of the HS pitching prospects from the 2010 draft, but a very, very promising one. And now that Noah Syndergaard has been promoted from Bluefield (where he K'd plenty), people from the Vancouver area have another reason to go watch the Canadians.
Bluefield (off-day)
Well I hate to be so positive again (actually I love being able to be so positive), but Mitchell Taylor's last start was pretty #beastmode in it's own right with 9 Ks in 6 innings. Not to be outdone, Aaron Sanchez K'd 6 in just 4 innings himself, giving him 2 promising starts in a row again, with 4 out of his last 5 being good-to-excellent-to-dominant outings. Chris Hawkins has been trying to quell my concerns about his low walk rate by drawing 3 walks in his last 5 games (plus an intentional walk) although it has come at the expense of hitting base hits (just 3 in those last 5 games). He's still hitting .293/.333/.520 though, so Marcus Knecht had better watch his back as "potential left fielder of the future". With Hawkins' speed - 6 triples already and 10/1 SB/CS - he probably provides better defense than Knecht.
GCL Jays (lost 0-6)
No #beastmode for the GCL Jays' hitters yesterday, as they were almost no-hit (they got just 2 hits). Griffin Murphy has not been good for the Jays, with a 5.64 ERA as a 20 year old in the GCL, although he did pitch 4 1/3 scoreless innings yesterday (with 4 Ks and 4 BB). But if you want #beastmode, look no further than Eric Arce's July line: .296/.470/.718. I also think Dickie Thon (.269/.449/.462) could be something special when/if he recovers fully from that blood disorder. I'm also excited to follow Dalton Pompey and Seth Conner, but these GCL stats don't get me too excited yet. It's both a small sample and in a very low level league (albeit one that's generally more favorable for pitchers). Still, it bears repeating: what a system. And that's not counting the great 2011 draft haul yet.
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had a feeling cooper was going to be moved at the deadline
what do we do with him next year?
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Vegas still needs players too
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does he have any room to grow there?
we wouldn’t want him to wilt.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Cooper, but he doesn’t have a spot with the Jays. He will likely either be in Vegas or somewhere else.
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Let's see what Houston has
I hear they need a new young 1Bman
There is so much happiness around this team right now I don’t think I can handle it.
I just LOVE reading stuff like this, thanks Woodman. :)
ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY
happy birthday!
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
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Can anyone tell me why...
Brett Lawrie is still in the Minors? Didn’t the Jays say he would play 10 games to get his swing back then get the call-up? I honestly don’t understand why they haven’t brought him up – all the fans want it, he is clearly ready, and they could use him in the line-up. What am i missing here?
roster space
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
personally, i don't think its a bad problem to have.
its not like its more likely that lawrie gets hit in the hand again the PCL than in the MLB. just let anthopoulos figure out the OF/3B/DH logjam and we’ll see lawrie.
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forgot the link
http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2011/8/2/2339278/making-roster-space-for-brett-lawrie
Lots to read there about it
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks - i read that article yesterday
and i don’t get it. No roster space for our top prospect and we keep sticking Bautista at 3b (when he has very publicly said on numerous occasions he prefers RF?)
I can only imagine how Brett Lawrie feels getting jerked around by AA all season like this. Lawrie should have been our STARTING 3B out of SPRING TRAINING if you ask me.
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 3, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he's been jerked around
Its part of the process. All young players have to go through it. Bottom line is there is no roster space at the moment. the Jays have to move someone out. IMO, sending Snider or Thames down is not an option. At some point you’ve got to leave Snider in there and let him succeed or fail. That time is now. Thames has proven he can hit MLB pitching and has nothing to deserve a demotion. To bring up Lawrie, the Jays have to move out one of EE, Davis or Teahen. My money is on Davis. Of the three he is the most useful, but he has the least value to the Jays.
To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong
I don't understand how Davis has less value to us than Teahen
Teahen doesn’t have any value at all.
Jose Bautista has a higher midi-chlorian count than you do.
maybe worse than the Wells contract
but it was part of the cost of getting rasmus. Whether the Jays let him finish out the contract, DFA him now or DFA him later, the cost is the same.
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what value does Davis have to us?
Granted, he is the best base runner on the team. But do you devote a roster space to a pinch runner? And is that fair to Davis? Once Bautista moves back to the OF, there are no ABs for Davis at all. Period. None. Like I said, Davis is a more useful player and if all things were equal I’d keep Davis over Teahen. But with Rasmus in CF, Bautista in RF and Snider/Thames in LF, he is the Maytag repairman.
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You really underestimate a late inning pinch runner and defensive replacement. Davis is still the best defender we have in the outfield.
Also Teahen doesn’t even bring ANY value. Johnny Mac is a better defender to replace Lawrie at 3rd, EE is a better hitter. Teahen is literally the last man off the bench in every way- non catcher division.
Davis has some trade value
Teahen has none. As hitters, its a wash. They’re both bad. Teahen has the potential to be a better hitter (or at least had the potential). As a defensive replacement and as a pinch runner, Davis has a lot of value and Teahen has none. I’m just not so sure that so much value in limited circumstances is worth keeping a player around for. I don’t see the point of bringing Davis into a game as a defensive replacement, other than to replace Thames. But doing so means you lose him as a pinch runner. IMO, if the plan was to DFA Teahen and bring up Lawrie, the Jays would have already done it. To me, Davis has been starting in the OF recently to give teams a chance to scout him. I’m thinking the plan is to trade Davis now and DFA Teahen later.
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davis changes the inning when he is on base
we see it all the time, pitchers get distracted, he easily moves into scoring position. He can just change the outlook late in the game. He can also provide a bunt when needed.
I hate that i heard pat tabler’s voice in my head as i was typing all this
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I completely agree with the part about him changing the inning
when he’s on base. I don’t see why you would bring in a pinch hitter to lay down a bunt though. Sorry about the Pat Tabler’s voice thing.
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because some guys just can't bunt
so if you are doing a squeeze you reeeeeally want to make sure you have someone that can do it
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
When a player plays the game right and says the right things
you try to accomodate that player. If all the Jays can offer Davis through the end of the 2012 season is a chance to pinch run and there is a team that can use his services, you try to move him. All the Jays will get back is a low level prospect or some salary relief, but it’s better for the player. I imagine Davis has already requested a trade.
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Davis and Teahen are very different degrees of "bad"
Teahen is horrible, especially for a corner OF. Davis is usually average but is having a down year, and is still okay for a CF. very, very different
WAR... WAR never changes.
Indeed
Davis can be an excellent 4th OF on a contending team. I am quite confident that by the beginning of ST 2012, there will be some trade made to either facilitate that, either keeping Davis or giving him that opportunity elsewhere.
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I challenge you to find that quote
I don’t think the Jays ever said they’d send him down for 10 then call him up. Nothing so concrete, anyway.
Well, i have work to do...
So i can’t go article hunting but rest assured 10 games was bandied about as a figure by John Farrel. It was right after he came back, Farrell said he needed ten games or so, and then suddenly AA was all like “Uhhh, there is no time-table” blah blah – i don’t think John Farrell has an issue as much as AA – he needs to bring Lawrie up ASAP, he has seriously erred in my view by not bringing him up sooner this season. He has done a lot of good things, obviously, but i REALLY don’t understand the keeping Lawrie in the Minors kick that AA is on… it is really really frustrating at this point.
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 3, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't make much difference
whether he’s called up last week, this week or next week. But it is hard to understand why Teahan has a roster spot. He has no value. His contract is a sunk cost. And they apparently have no interest in creating value (they won’t play him). Might as well DFA him and bring up Kid Schmitty.
You're likely right,
but right now Teahan is backing up Bautista, so he won’t play. As a backup to Lawrie, it might be useful to keep him around, since the Jays are paying him anyway. Davis has less value to the Jays. I think they’ll try to move him first.
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EE is a backup
Teahan is a backup to a backup
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Not saying I disagree
when the WSox had a rally going against the Jays, there was no greater sense of relief than seeing Teahan in the on deck circle. But EE is a DH. He won’t play 3B again for the Jays. Teahan isn’t a good option as a backup, but the Jays owe him around $7M and he has a better offensive track record than McDonald, McCoy and Nix. Might as well see if there is any value before we DFA him.
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yes, Teahen is bad
And yes EE is a DH now, but he does have value as a spot starter at the corner IF spots. Nix is gone, so don’t know why you brought him up, but Teahen has been McDonald-esque the past couple years. There’s no value there
WAR... WAR never changes.
by benk on Aug 3, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nix is in Las Vegas with McCoy
and the Jays had to use him this year. That’s why I brought him up. Agreed that Teahen has been McDonald-esque the past two seasons, but from 2006 to 2009 he was a decent (not good) hitter. I’m certainly not a fan of his and I don’t see much value whatsoever. I just think the roster removal order is Davis first, followed by Teahen and if you’ve got to pay him anyway, you might as well him back up Lawrie for the remainder of this season. He’s only wasting a roster spot until the end of August. If he has a lousy ST, you DFA him at the end of March.
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he's played at 3b recently, in july
he used to DH only, but hes been working hard and they trust him a bit more.
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Lawrie could have been brought up sooner, but
there have been other issues at play. Even before the Jays brought Lawrie over, most scouts felt his defense needed work and since he was changing to a new position, it made sense for him to start the season at LV. When he was ready for a call-up, he was so close to misssing out on Super-2 status, that it made sense to leave him. then, of course, he broke his hand. As with any player returning from an injury, he needed to do a minor league rehab assignment. He was probably ready to come up last week, but with the Rasmus trade, there is a roster space issue. I think it will be taken care of soon and once done, Lawrie will be up.
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it's because Tony LaFarrell doesn't like Brett
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ON an un-related note...
Woodman63, i really appreciate these minor league updates you give us, it is nice to hear about how our prospects are shaping up….
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 3, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by jaysfanfromeurope on Aug 3, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Justin Nicolino
Is he still listed at 160 lbs.? If he puts some meat on his bones, maybe he picks up some velocity.
I don't think it works that way at all
once puberty is over, velocity is mostly about mechanics, not arm strength. It’s all about how fast you can move your arm. Putting on weight will help his endurance, but shouldn’t make a difference in his velocity. Actually, some players lose velocity as they build up muscle.
"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman
There is a slight uptick as players get more POWERFUL muscles not necessarily BIGGER muscles. With stronger muscles you can generate more torque and force assuming you can keep the same armspeed as before.
I don't disagree
but putting on weight, by itself, doesn’t necessarily increase velocity and may decrease it. Pitchers generally try to add muscle weight to build their endurance, not to increase their velocity.
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Loewen's MLE's for the season
are .250 / .310 / .416
considering he’s hitting .316 / .383 / .541 on the season, I’d think .327 / .407 / .510 would be around league average, which would be above replacement-level for a corner outfielder. Different guys adjust to the majors differently, of course, but I think you’re writing Loewen off a little too early. In his third season as a position player, he’s hitting well at AAA (wRC+ of 123) and continuing to improve (wRC+ last season at NH was 113).
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the question is, do you want a MLB average bat corner OF who is almost 30 with no major league experience?
and i have doubts about his defence. I don’t remember exactly, but i hear he is not a good defender
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I wouldn't pencil him in for a starting role
but a mlb average bat with a bit of upside and an ok glove wouldn’t make a bad backup. It’s true he’s not young, but he’s still only in his third season of pro ball as a hitter and continues to improve. I’m not sure he can keep getting better, and the lack of options is tough, but I think he’s worth keeping around.
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well, he will be 30 one day
but that won’t happen until 2014. He’s 27 now and being as he is a converted pitcher, you have to give him a bit of an allowance on the age. that said, I agree with you. I think his ceiling is 4th OF, and that’s if everything pans out for him. He doesn’t bring much value to the Jays. Great feel-good story, but very low on the Jays depth chart and no trade value.
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The Cooper we saw with the Jays is nothing like the Vegas Cooper
I’m not sure what he was trying to do, but he totally changed his approach. Toronto #‘s: LD% – 6.7, IFF% – 30.0, BABIP – .103. Vegas #’s: LD% – 25.0, IFF% – 4.4, BABIP – .397. I’m sure he learned his lesson and I’m positive he can hit well enough to play in the majors. His issue is whether he’ll hit with enough power since he’s limited to 1B/DH and by all reports, a poor defender at 1st to boot.
I’m not sure what he was trying to do
Pretty sure he was trying to adjust to major league pitching. The Jays gave him a whopping 41 plate appearances to do so. I don’t think you can read a single thing into a player’s first 41 plate appearances in the majors.
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Small Sample Size with the Jays
Is what I was trying to show, for those who think the Cooper we saw with the Jays is anything like his true ability.
Cooper admitted after he was sent back to Vegas.
That he did not stay within himself and chased pitches. I think he could be a viable major league hitter, just not sure that it’s with the Jays.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Lawrie up for the Baltimore series
I think he will start at 3B, EE will DH, getting the day off on occasion, spelled by Thames. Snider will also be spelled by Thames in LF sometimes.
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i would be
even though JF said before september, I am convinced that’s when it will happen, before then would be a surprise to me
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by Bowling_Guy25 on Aug 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Adeiny’s really been turning it on lately, hes got 8 hits in his last 10 games, I’m hoping he can keep this up, and maybe draw a few more walks.
Colby Rasmus is pretty good at baseball..
8 hits in 10 games is really turning in on??????????
He actually has 14 hits, but no walks and 2 of those hits went for extra bases. So his 10 game line is .311/.298/..356. Mediocre.
OBP includes sacrfiice flies
while BA does not
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Adeiny's real undoing
Is his inability to hit RH pitching. .200/..240/.259 on the year. An ugly line no matter how you look at it. Because most pitchers are right handed, I can’t see Hech as ever being an everyday player in the majors.
lemme change that a little bit
“Adeiny’s real undoing is his inability to hit pitching”
WAR... WAR never changes.
by benk on Aug 3, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lemme tell you you're wrong, benk
His .313/.348/.548 line vs lefties is pretty darn good for a SS. There can be an MLB career for him, just not as an everyday player.
k, fair enough
but even that, at AA at 22 (IIRC) isn’t amazing, though with his reports of his defense he could probably be a Major Leaguer. but he has serious, serious strides to make in his hitting if he’s going to have a significant role on a good MLB team
WAR... WAR never changes.
Losing a bit of faith in Adeiny
He’s not improved as much as I had hoped in terms of his bat. Basically, unless he can turn his offense around, he’s Mike McCoy in about two year’s time. If that’s the case, he better start collecting different types of gloves because being able to play all positions is the only way he can have a somewhat career in MLB.
It's a bit of a different situation
Latin players often take a little while to acclimate to US baseball culture (and culture as a whole). Also, he’s apparently better with the glove (right now) than McCoy is or could be.
Brett Lawrie is not going to play 2B. Enough.
according to reports (though mostly from Jays farm guys)
he’d be one of the best defensive SSes in MLB right now
WAR... WAR never changes.
But without the bat, Alcides Escobar might be his fate. Escobar is also a wizard with the glove but has an awful bat. He’s always going to be a candidate for being replaced because of how many runs he costs the team on offense. Right now he’s a positive overall, but the slightest slippage on defense will destroy his value.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6310&position=SS
Escobar is hardly even his floor though
he’s only producing a 58 wRC+ at AA, while Alcides is “producing” 63 wRC+ in the Majors. I imagine Adeiny can get up to that level, but a 2 win player is nothing special (I’d rather Kelly Johnson/Yunel Escobar as the middle IFs, that could entirely feasibly be a 10 win middle IF)
WAR... WAR never changes.
BTW
My point is that unless Adeiny develops his bat, he could end up being just a utility/late inning defensive replacement, just like it looks like McCoy is turning into.
Yunel may not be as good defensively as Adeiny but his bat is currently so much superior that it vastly out weighs the defensive difference. Right now, Yunel is the Jay’s SS for the foreseeable future.

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