Brian Tallet DFA, Carlos Villanueva Activated
by Tom Dakers on Aug 31, 2011 3:26 PM EDT
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PrintI really didn't expect this but Brian Tallet is gone. I figured they would keep him around but try not to use him, since they are paying him anyway and tomorrow rosters expand but then Tallet doesn't have a future with the team.
Glad to see Carlos Villanueva back, I'm guessing back as a reliever. We can use a decent arm in the pen. I like him much better as a reliever.
It seems that the Jays don't have a lot of patience lately, you have a bad appearance and you are gone. I'm not sure that is the best plan in the world, but I won't miss Tallet. I would be a little worried, my next time out on the mound, if I was Rommie Lewis thought.
Lefty relievers are like cats, they always land on their feet but I'm not sure if anyone will be picking up Tallet in a hurry.
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What did Tallet do to deserve this
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It was a "minor" messup
Amirite?
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I don't know if these lack-of-patience moves are good or bad
but these aren’t guys who have proven in large stretches of recent history that they can be effective
Ball.
I don't see the point of having them in the first place
only to DFA at the first sign of trouble, which we all know will be sooner rather than later
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Yeah, I don’t get that either. If Tallet had finished the save, would that have magically made him good enough to keep? Or was he just being strung along until September anyway?
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by Back In Black on Aug 31, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think the moves can be generalized as being all good or bad, but I’m thrilled that Tallet is gone (again).
by scrambles the death dealer on Aug 31, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't like these quick DFAs on the back of bad outings
My first reaction is that I’m really not liking the Jays recent pattern of DFA’ing guys immediately after bad outings. To me it’s kind of classless and not what we’re trying to be in terms of an organization that cares about its players.
It’s not that I disagree with any of these guys being released, I just don’t think it’s necessary to kick them while they’re down and do it right after a bad outing and they’re already feeling low. I’d wait a day or two and let them catch their breath a bit.
If you thik of it in human terms, it’s not a nice way to say goodbye to everyone when you’ve just blown a game and everyone’s in a bad mood. You wait and a day or two, when the team’s moved on, release the player early in the day and let them say their goodbyes in a more neutral atmosphere. That’s how I’d do it from a human perspective.
And with Tallet though we might not need him, seems like we could have kept him around amid expanded September rosters since we’re paying him anyway. If nothing else, some of his veteran wisdom might rub off some of the younger guys/callups.
But on further considering, this is probably best for Tallet as who knows, maybe another team, even one in a playoff hunt, will take a flyer on adding him for September.
Purcey, Miller, Ledezma, Tallet
I don’t think it’s the best plan either but none of these pitchers I felt were part of the larger scheme so patience didn’t seem to be too big of a key.
Well, you look at all those guys and they are well… not good. Ledezma is a career minor leaguer, Miller is old and can’t get lefties out anymore. Tallet has lost his effectiveness.
Purcey is the only one with potential but he can’t find the consistency and was given his fair shots here. He just didn’t cut it.
I know it seems like a knee jerk move because this was Tallet’s first game back in a while but he likely never would have played for us if our arms were healthy. Now CV is back so there is no need for him.
lol i feel bad for Tallet
it wasnt fully his fault last night, 1st game back is a save situation, gone the next day. Im surprise they cant wait till the roster expand and let him sit in the pen, and leave after the season end. That seem to be more of classy move.
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I guess the choice was to either keep him around the team and perhaps give him an appearance or two in blowouts
or to give him his papers and let him go home, or perhaps find another team to sign with today.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea i guess, but we will probably never know if thats is the case
unless he signs with someone today
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Personally, I love these hyper-reflexive roster moves...
although I feel bad for Tallet. Hopefully he has a soft landing and can find another team to pitch with if that is what he wants.
I didn’t expect him to get DFA’d today, for what its worth… AA must have been reading BBB this morning LOL.
LOL
Good thing I posted about trading for Votto earlier in the week… I look forward to reading about AA making the move with the Reds soon :-)
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
woooo Votto for Tallet, do it AA!
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If thats true im switching team before you screw up the Jays lol
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I don't really like this move
But it may have been made out of sheer necessity. The Jays really need someone in there for tonight’s game. If ensuring Carlos V was up here was not part of the plan, then this is sort of a senseless DFA. Even though he won’t qualify for a postseason spot (who would carry him on their postseason roster anyway), he could still be of use to some team trying to get in as an inning chomper.
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Wow, that was fast.
But might as well let him go if there’s no confidence in him.
Blue Jays relievers who have thrown less than 1.0 IP in an entire season:
Scott Richmond (0.1 IP in 2011)
Brian Tallet (0.1 IP in 2011)
Frank Menechino (0.1 IP in 2004)†
Ken Dayley (0.2 IP in 1993)††
Steve Luebber (0.0 IP in 1979)†††
† Position player pitching
†† In 2 appearances
††† Owner of an infinite ERA in 1979
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what does "infinite ERA" mean?
it DEFINITELY doesn’t sound good, that is for sure…
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 31, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Only 45 pitchers have ever had an infinite ERA to finish a season. Out of that entire list, I’ve only heard of Brad Pennington (1998) and Wilson Alvarez (1989).
I think the most unfortunate reliever name ever is Dennis Tankersley, who had an infinite ERA in 2003.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool
They say you learn something everyday. I just did, thats for sure.
by TrueBlue4Ever! on Aug 31, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
One more on infinite ERAs
Here are the 14 fellows with a career ERA of infinity.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dennis Tankersley having an infinite ERA is just perfect.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 31, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
46
If you count Mayday Malone.
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by Back In Black on Aug 31, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Not quite there but...
Brian Tallet is tied with Dave Maurer (pitched in 3 games in August 2004, anyone remember him at all?) for the highest finite ERA for a single season in Blue Jays franchise history.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Quick Trigger?
Only 16 pitchers in franchise history have ever thrown 1.0 or fewer innings over an entire season with Jays. Four of them (25%) came this year: P.J. Walters, Mike McCoy, Scott Richmond, and of course, Brian Tallet. If we take out position players pitching from the equation, we are still talking about 3/13 (23%).
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The one name that sticks out on that list is Ken Dayley. He was expected to contribute on a team that had just come of back to back world series.
by Al Bundy is my hero on Aug 31, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not an infinite ERA
Not to be the buzz kill… But if he allowed runs, and didn’t have any inning’s pitched, it would be runs/0, which is not infinite, it is actually not a determinable (sp?) number… Anything divided by 0 is not a number…
It approaches infinity
which is also not a number.
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by Back In Black on Aug 31, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are thinking of indeterminate numbers
But that’s only for 0/0. 9R/IP where IP = 0 is undefined but since 
inf ERA is an acceptable evaluation, I think.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't the term Lanky wants
“undefined”? though infinite is fine enough, IMO
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No, as I wrote in the title, I think the term he wanted was “indeterminate”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminate_form
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WIthin the context of ERA as a predictor stat, I do think infinite is correct
i.e. ERA assumes that if you pitch 9 innings, you will give up your ERA in earned runs. A pitcher who is unable to get any outs at all, would be expected to let in infinite runs over the course of 9 innings.
by Playoffs!!!!1 on Sep 1, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh, I don't mind these quick triggers
As long as the pitchers aren’t part of the team’s long term plans.
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Happy enough with the move
They have one last runout to crosscheck their scouting report. Then if everything checks out and they show nothing the Jays clear the roster spot. In a year when the Jays are finding out what they have, and with other players to try out in the role, you may as well clear the system of deadwood, a broken reliever at a time if necessary.
I feel sorry for Tallet but am also relieved.
It seems the Jays just can’t help using him at the worst possible times when he is on the team, at least now the temptation has been removed.
I hope he catches on somewhere but two good things come out of this for the Jays (aside from the above); first they make room for pitchers that are actually part of the (successful) future of this team, and second, with another quick DFA they set an example in particular for the young players on the team. Have a great time and enjoy being in the majors, but when you are called on to perform you need to take the job seriously and perform well.
Often we’ve seen the young pitchers like Drabek and Cecil throw fits on the mound this season – and even Ricky, something that just doesn’t seem to happen elsewhere – look at the Rays’ young staff as an example. Getting hit around when you are pitching well happens at times, but inability to locate and command pitches consistently is an issue. A certain level of maturity and professionalism is expected, and they need to make sure they are putting in the work and preparation to be at their best for games.
Hey these are kids living a dream, sometimes a reality check is in order. Like when the coach throws the bats in the shower in Bull Durham. Lollygaggers!!!
You'll notice that the Jays are pushing fastball command with all their younger prospects
Nicolino/Molina/Syndergaard/Hutchison, all can locate their fastball, and mostly their secondary pitches. Is an lesser version of what the Pirates are doing, and I kind of like the results so far. Have a personal hate for players that can’t locate their fastball, and it’s my main dislike on this current team, only Romero and Jannsen consistantly spot their fastballs where they wan’t them (Villanueva spots his primary pitch as well but it’s his changeup).
Yes, I love that they are stressing fastball command now in the minors.
Looking at the results, the younger pitchers for the most part are doing very well, good strikeout numbers and fewer walks. I hope they can get Cecil and Drabek on the system, they are still young.
by transmogrifier on Aug 31, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Should add that it's the main reason i'm down on Sanchez as a prospect
I just don’t see that fastball command yet, wish they would go real slow with him from now on until he proves he can spot it as he likes.
I think that has been the plan, they demoted him to Vancouver recently from Lansing.
He is very young, though, just out of high school. There is time to develop that potential, not everyone will progress as quickly as Nicolino and Syndergaard appear to be.
by transmogrifier on Aug 31, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sanchez?
He was promoted from Bluefield to Vancouver, hadn’t seen him at Lansing.
My bad, got the teams messed up.
That’s an interesting move in that case. He hasn’t really earned a promotion, maybe they didn’t want him to feel the added pressure of the playoff race in Bluefield since he was already struggling.
by transmogrifier on Aug 31, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd had a decent start or three prior to the move up
and had probably been the best of the Bluefield guys when it came to filling the Syndergaard/Nicolino gap in Vancouver. It’s an agressive promotion I wasn’t too keen on but it’s rational if nothing else. I also guess it’s less of a jump at that level than say a A+ to AA promotion.
I like that the Jays are messing around
I agree with Benk though it’s a little pointless to pick them in the first place. At least they’re not holding on to players (and overplaying them) too long (i.e. Mench, Wilkerson, Millar, Patterson).
It's a credit I guess that the Jays don't have to hold onto such players any more
They finally have prospects to the level it’s at least worth giving them a look as a possible filler.
What the fu**!!!
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This is just getting ridiculously sad.
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I really don’t have words. I’m in shock.
by leaflover4ever on Aug 31, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow another one, this is really sad
i stilled remember watching him as a leaf
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evening all
So a taxi just crushed my left rear door side, then sped away. FFUUUUUU
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What????
Hit and run? FO reals?
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for real
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Shouldn't you be focusing on like catching him or something?
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not really
reporting it now really won’t help me much. And I’m partly to blame as well, so I won’t be getting full compensation anyways.
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Like this type of hit and run:
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by jays182 on Aug 31, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahahaha
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Did you get the license plate?
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nope
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The stupid thing is the taxi driver’s excuse will be someone did a hit/run on him/her, this way they escape punishment.
I hate taxi drivers’ road habits.
I think it was either a non-licensed driver
or something illegal. There wasn’t much reason for the guy to just run away.
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A cabbie would lose their cab if they hit a pedestrian I’m pretty sure… livelihood seems like a good reaosn to me,…
no pedestrians hit
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Sorry to hear that, man.
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by Minor Leaguer on Aug 31, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Farrell is going to be out longer than expected?
….and they didn’t want to give Wakamatsu the option again? If so, I agree with that line of thinking.
by Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on Aug 31, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
farrell is apparently out for the yankees series too
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Interesting
maybe it does have traction
by Drinkin' Wit' Terrell Farley on Aug 31, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
There's an ESPN Insider article about the Jays getting Fielder
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why the heck is there MMA on my Jays ROD?
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umm, hasn't the game started?
why is nothing streaming on ROD?
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WHAT IS GOING ON
I DON’T WANT TO WATCH MMA DAMMIT
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honestly, does anybody know what's happening?
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Why have you forsaken me ROD?
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