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The Windows Of Your House Reflect Back On Yourself: Jays 5, Orioles 4

Behind strong pitching by Henderson Alvarez and a 9th inning rally (assisted by an old friend), the Jays beat Baltimore today.  (Photo by Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images)

Wooo!  the Jays pulled out a 9th inning comeback today to edge Baltimore, 5-4.  

On the Mound:

Henderson Alvarez was quite good through seven innings, giving up 9 hits (8 singles) and one walk while striking out 4.  Alvarez was leaving the ball up early but soon settled in, and 12 of 15 batted balls were on the ground in a very impressive display.  

At the Plate:

Jose Bautista's 41st home run of the season, and Brett Lawrie's 9th were most of the offense through the first 8.  Then, in the ninth, David Cooper struck out to start the inning.  Old friend Kevin Gregg game in to try to close things out and struck out Brett Lawrie to put Baltimore just one out away.  Kelly Johnson worked a walk and Jose Molina singled him to second.  Adam Loewen came in to hit for DeWayne Wise and was hit by a pitch to load them up for pinch-hitter J.P. Arencibia.  Gregg then threw one away to let the tying run score.  Arencibia then came through with a single through the left side, and that was the game!

From the Pen:

Jesse Litsch gave up the go-ahead run in the 8th on a pair of doubles, but struck out the next two batters to end the inning.  Litsch then worked a scoreless 9th around a single with another strikeout and a couple of groundouts, and was rewarded for his efforts (which included getting the final out with a runner on third) with the win when the Jays came through in the 9th. 

In the Field:

Dewayne Wise had several nice plays in center but also made a costly error that almost gave Baltimore an extra insurance run in the 9th inning.  Henderson Alvarez threw one away early on a perfect bunt where he should've just held onto the ball.  Rookie mistake, right?  

Jays of the Day:  Alvarez, Johnson, Loewen, Bautista, and honourable mention to Lawrie for the home run.  

Today's title from the song "Easy Hearts" by Whiskeytown

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Wooooo!

Who doesn’t love a walkoff!?!!?

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 10, 2011 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

What a fun ending to this game!

I think this is their 10th walkoff this year. That’s the most the Jays have had since 2000 (10). The only years they had more? 1987 with 13 and 1982 with 11. They only had 5 last year.

BTW here is a list of all Blue Jays walkoffs in franchise history.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting

John McDonald has more walk-off hits (and home runs) than Jose Bautista with the Jays.

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that it means anything, anyway.

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Teams are probably not pitching to Jose in extras.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

10 walkoffs?

wow. I think we had like 2 last year or something.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They only had 5 last year.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

we had FIVE last year?

i am shocked

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Neat observation

Between May 2, 2009 and Sept. 12, 2010 the Jays had 8 walkoffs. All but 1 were supplied by either Aaron Hill or Adam Lind.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frewis!

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The other was Lyle Overbay's homerun

against Oakland, right?

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by jessef on Sep 10, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope that was two walkoffs before the Hill/Lind streak began. It was actually FLewis’ sac fly against Daniel Bard to score Aaron Hill on Aug 27, 2010

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahh

walkoff sac flies are terrible

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by jessef on Sep 10, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't have left.....

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by Joey Kirby on Sep 10, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got a really nice scarf for cheap though, so that was good.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you called?

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

goddammit

i’m trying to do a smiley face, but stupid reply fail is killing me

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, now you work

slow clap

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of OT

Loewen is frickin’ massive

by benk on Sep 10, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

He's still 5 inches shorter than Rauch lol

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

6'6 is a perfect size

just short enough to fit through a door without headbutting the frame. Does mean you have to put up with weather jokes and other unfunny height quips though.

by TtD on Sep 10, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfunny height quips suck. I’m at the other end of the spectrum, though. ;P

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jays of the Day: Alvarez, Johnson, Loewen, Bautista, and honourable mention to Lawrie for the home run.

What about JPA and Gregg?

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You’re right, Gregg had a +.882 WPA in favour of the Jays :-)

Also, it’s funny that Kelly Johnson (who scored the tying run) gets +.360 for Gregg’s wild pitch.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Johnson was pinch run for

Would the pinch runner get the WPA, even though he didn’t do anything?

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yup

Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?

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by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

44 major leaguers

have had a WPA greater than +.300 for just scoring (no PA, no SB): http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=bbnfB. If there was a pinch runner for Johnson, he would have been on this list.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. My period got placed in the link…. just delete it to get the page.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's okay, I figured that out

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by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's look at the other side. Only 3 major leaguers

have had a WPA lower than -.300 for being a pinch runner (no PA, no CS): http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=xzsgu .

Joe DeMaestri of the Kansas City A’s had a -.382 WPA on August 3, 1958. According to that game’s retrosheet, DeMaestri strayed off 3B for some reason in the bottom of the 15th, 0 outs, men on the corners with the A’s down 4-3 to the Washington Senators.

It was not a stolen base attempt so he didn’t get a CS out of the affair. Both Keough (-.310) and Pierce (-.309) were picked off in a critical situation.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was a hilarious ending

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Indeed it was

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed JPA on the JoD

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by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

So apparently Lawrie snorts water before he bats

And also sniffs a whole smelling salt thing. He’s ridiculous.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i hear he drinks 4 Red Bulls before every game

this worries me

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might actually die on us

this is serious

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is just wrong

not to mention gross. I’m sure he’ll grow out of it, though. you kids do dumb stuff like that

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by hugo on Sep 10, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sort of explains why he looks like he has ADD

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Lawrie – The Kid that Never Sleeps

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even touch Red Bull

Or any energy drink. I’ll stick to something from a plant, tyvm.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i like Monster, but I can't stand Red Bull

It honestly tastes like medicine. Monster is delicious though

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't stand any energy drink

They all taste so tangy and nasty.

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

This too.

It also worries me. I can’t imagine that’s good for someone.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Frankly I think Redbull is better than half the stuff athletes take

It’s not meth or coke so let’s not overreact yet.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha I'm not taking it too serious

Kids at my school drink red bull constantly, I don’t think it’s THAT bad for you.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's too much caffeine

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Camden Chat Recap thread title:

Blue Jays 5, Orioles 4: Is Kevin Gregg a secret Blue Jays double agent? No, he just sucks.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Friggin’ Brett Lawrie hit another home run off of Orioles pitching in the second inning, putting the Jays back on top. It was the 9th home run of Lawrie’s young career and 4th against the Orioles. It’s gonna be a lot of fun watching that kid hit against the O’s for the next several years, huh?

Feels good man.

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by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHHAHAHAAHAHAH

Gregg’s 2013 option is apparently a vesting option. someone says it vests after finishing 50 games, but its not confirmed.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

oh, okay

its vests after finishing 50 games in 2012, or finishing 100 games over 2011~2012. he has 42 now. Im pretty sure he’s going to be released soon though

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

McFail

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

its probably more angelos' fault

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.14, 4.83, 4.85

Those are his ERA, FIP, and xFIP respectively, they might not be great, but if they release him, heor the MLBPA very well might file a grievance.

Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?

Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".

I tweet sometimes

by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

he or*

Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?

Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".

I tweet sometimes

by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can someone please explain to me how fangraph evaluates Morrow to be more valuable than Romero?

Ricky’s trailing Morrow’s 3.0 with his 2.7.

Thanks in advance.

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by StreakyJays on Sep 10, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

fWAR for pitchers uses FIP, not ERA, take a look at each players FIP and you'll find your answer

Do you have a young, talented cost controlled player having a down year who's "attitude" has cased problems with an aging player or manager?

Don't worry, I Alex Anthopoulos will take him off your hands, I'll even give you some moderately useful veterans that will "help you make a playoff run".

I tweet sometimes

by jaysfan100 on Sep 10, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was this the case last year as well?

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

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by StreakyJays on Sep 10, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

probably

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually, never mind

Romero has .3 more fWAR, because he threw way more innings.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has? or Had?

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

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by StreakyJays on Sep 10, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

had

in 2010

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why isn't that the case this year as well then?

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by StreakyJays on Sep 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

because ricky's peripherals are worse this year

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he's only thrown 57.1 more innings than morrow this year

last year, he threw 64 more

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not as far as I can tell

As far as I can remember, his walk/strikeout, strike/thrown are about the same, but he’s getting lucky on strand rates. FIP and xFIP are the same no? And is a difference of 10 innings all that much over a season?

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

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by StreakyJays on Sep 10, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

his homerun rate is up

his Ks are slightly down as well. His FIP this year is 4.08. Last year it was 3.64.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah the HR rate is probably a big reason why the FIP is much higher

by Sniderlover on Sep 10, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was probably a bit too lucky on flyballs staying in the yard last

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

year

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno… 9.4 HR/FB ratio is fine. I’m guessing the increase in HR is probably due to a lot more usage of fastballs

and while his FIP is high… I’m fine with that HR rate as long as it is solo shots which for most case, it has been.

bases empty: 13
runners on: 8
RISP: 2

by Sniderlover on Sep 10, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, i thought it was way lower last year

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

9.4 is almost exactly league average

his HR rate is quite a bit above league average this year

by benk on Sep 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand what that means.

Can you educate me?

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by StreakyJays on Sep 11, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The average HR/FB rate for a pitcher is 9.5%

FIP uses the pitcher’s real rate, whereas xFIP plugs in 9.5% for all pitchers.

by Gerse on Sep 11, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay... but wasn't the whole premise that pitchers can't control their HR/FB rate?

Doesn’t it seem stupid to use that stat as the basis for WAR?

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

by StreakyJays on Sep 11, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

pitchers can't control their HR/FB rates

but they can control their FB rates

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by Pikachu on Sep 11, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because of the increase in fastballs, RR has had an increase in his FB and thus FIP?

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

by StreakyJays on Sep 11, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don't know if more fastballs lead to more flyballs

he’s inducing nearly as much GB as last season, but he also has a ridiculously low LD rate against him. his FB rate, therefore, has to compensate for that, so its much higher than last season. I think.

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by Pikachu on Sep 11, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't control your LD rate but you can control the FB rate?

Weird.

Once over the hill, you pick up speed.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

by StreakyJays on Sep 11, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

line drive rate is controllable in a general way – but once pitchers reach the majors no one has been able to show that limiting line drives is a repeatable skill.

For fly balls, it is more that pitchers can use their control and repertoire (2 seamers, etc.) to induce groundballs. Since pitchers can’t really control their line drive rate, the more grounders you are getting, the fewer fly balls there are, ceteris paribus of course.

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by hugo on Sep 11, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woooo

Walk off GS for our old friend, Alex Rios

by Fuzzpuke on Sep 10, 2011 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Open chat for minor league playoffs here.

For those following the Jays’ affiliates’ playoff run.

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by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I might just head over there. Scientific notation is boring.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

homework or class

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by Bluebirdz on Sep 10, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

homework. It’s not due for a while, but I’m trying to not procrastinate.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does it mean to "not procrstinate"?

I didn’t even know that was possible.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"not procrastinate", even.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

up til now it hasn’t been possible. We’ll see how it goes.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what I say every Septemeber

Every. Single. Year.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

/sigh
it’s worth trying, at least. Also this crap is easy, it’s just really annoying.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

wasn’t trying to depress ya, love

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

its only serious if you make it serious

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

and that by that, I mean,

yes, this is serious business.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is proof that we're soulmates

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I’ll stop with the pictures now.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i won't

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how many Keanu Reeves Whoa faces there are

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keanu Reeves is Canadian

I had no idea

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad Keanu

go.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahahaha

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit

he got cut off

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously

I was just gonna post that one. It’s my favourite.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this one is pretty well made too

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

omg

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

some people are amazing

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it just looks so real

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

sad keanu on swing

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

some people have too much time on their hands

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that from The Day the Earth Stood Still? That movie was only bearable because Keanu Reeves got to play himself in it, and that made me laugh.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh, no.

I’m pretty sure its from Matrix.

were you referring to mine or yours?

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

its when he learns Kung Fu I think

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

matrix

duh

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

its when he gets the plug off the back of his head

after he learns kung fu

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh. well I’ve only seen it once, gosh.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never met anyone who's only watched the matrix just once

its such a mind**** movie, you have to watch it at least twice

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never seen the whole movie.

Just random parts here and there.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

well, I don't know what to say, other than

SMFH

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

*cough* goody two shoes *cough*

:)

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by Bluebirdz on Sep 10, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's excited for Dustin's start tomorrow?!

I tried to get my dad to buy me tickets but it didn’t work :(

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

sneak in

or find 10 dollars around ur house shouldnt be too too hard

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by Bluebirdz on Sep 10, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats how im goin

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by Bluebirdz on Sep 10, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sneak in?!

I would be deathly afraid.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 8:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't you live in hamilton though?

gonna drive all the way?

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

First, that sounded pretty creepy.

Second, it’s only like a 45 minute drive, or like an hour on the GO bus.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 8:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, that was a bit creepy

Hamliton always feels like a billion kilometres away, even though its right there.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to sound like I don't like where I live

But one of the best things about Hamilton is it’s proximity to both the US and Toronto.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have to try not to sleep on it all the time.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I took it to square one for shopping last week. It was a nice drive.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dang

Just realized I’ll probably miss it. I have to teach tomorrow then I’m babysitting. Joy.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fire Anthopoulos

Fire Farrell
Fire Rogers!!!!!

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relocate to New York

they need another team there

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE MEME SPREADS!

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker

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by wg1of5 on Sep 10, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just helping the Pirates fan takeover along.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep yep.

Someday, this meme will be on every single blog.

Hard work always beats talent if talent doesn't work hard.

ARE YOU F#$%ING KIDDING ME!!!! ADAMS!!! JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST YOU HAD 24 SQUARE FEET AND YOU MISSED IT ALL!! - OlenWhitaker

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by wg1of5 on Sep 10, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t even get what this is a response to. But feel free to continue

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

because mediocrity means we're the worst team in the world

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

idiots

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being at .500 is actually pretty good in MLB. It’s just crazy that the Jays have played so consistently. Never too hot and never too cold.

by Nadia on Sep 10, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

tell to that to "Jamie from Huntsville"

or “David from Ottawa”

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob McCown from the Fan590

Follow me @BBBMinorLeaguer | 2011 Jays record while in attendance: 9-11 (.450)

by Minor Leaguer on Sep 10, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

heh

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who?..Mr. Knowitall...the all wise and

erstwhile legal beagle? He does have the most listened to radio sports program in all of ………..zzzzzzzzz

by Bendit on Sep 10, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

you don't actually not like him, right?

I only know of very small few who dislike KLaw. And most of them are idiots.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the folks over at Drunk Jays Fans like him very much, either.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I know dustin and stoeten like him a lot

most of the commenters there are trolls anyways

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

It seems like every time I read a post of theirs relating to Law, it’s usually in a negative fashion.

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

I don’t feel that at all. They like to joke on him, but they usually reference his stuff a lot.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I should read more DJF

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Getting Blanked is much better than DJF now

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah but DJF has a more comedy factor.

by Sniderlover on Sep 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

its stupid comedy. I find Getting Blanked funnier.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, okay

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than mediocre. They just play in the AL East.

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"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."

by Goonisis on Sep 10, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like Kyle Drabek was the future last September

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you implying Brett Lawrie isn't the future, either?

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

clearly

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

HERESY!

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got a stink!
Henderson should try hitting the batters when necessary, but his pitches will just move back 
into the strike zone

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He still is

Roy Halladay was sent back down… so was Cecil… they both found their groove.

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come now...lets not slide Roy & Cecil down the same groowve...not yet anyway.

Roy keeps himself in impeccable shape….Cecil needs to exercise a bit or not chow so much.

by Bendit on Sep 10, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy isn't good because he keeps himself in impeccable shape

he’s good because he’s freaking amazing at throwing baseballs and keeps himself in impeccable shape

by benk on Sep 11, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

more accurately

the fact that he is in impeccable shape is caused by the same things that make him awesome, rather than being the cause of his awesomeness

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by hugo on Sep 11, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

he certainly

won the genetic lottery many times over

by benk on Sep 11, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know Doc struggled worse than Drabek to start off his career, right? Whether or not he’s the future is unclear, but he still has a very real chance at it.

"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."

by Goonisis on Sep 10, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did?!

I had NO IDEA

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That somehow doesn’t surprise me…

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my.

I think you need to get your detector fixed.

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm over the internet doesn't work

And what exactly were you trying to say then?

Even though Drabek proved more in his initial MLB stint than Roy Halladay, he should be frowned upon and penciled in as a career AAA pitcher?

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just trying to temper some expectations down here

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well get them back up

He has as good a chance of doing something in the MLB as Lawrie, Thames or Henderson.
He isn’t damaged goods or past his prime, he has improved a lot in AAA (Walks are down)

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I NEVER SAID HE DIDN'T

I just want y’all to not annoint anyone as “THE FUTURE”, since pitchers are so volatile. Especially young starting pitchers.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

THATS WHY WE HAVE SO MANY

I agree though. Pitchers are the most volatile, if I (DW THIS WON’T HAPPEN) was GM I’d never sign a pitcher longer than 3 years (I didn’t come up with that on my own, I heard it somewhere…)

Also as far as prospects, between injuries and funny movement, some pitches and some repertoires can work great in AA but be smoked in the bigs.

I’m just saying good performances by a 21 year old pitcher are crazy impressive to me and that Drabek guy who got all of our hopes up last year should do the same this year.

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool

got it

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay

Just checking :D

Need any other lessons? :D :D

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if you knew (assuming you were being sarcastic), you should realize why what you said makes little sense.

"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."

by Goonisis on Sep 10, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats like saying

every decent prospect that failed and became a utility player is going to end up hitting 50 bombs, because Bautista did it.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactement

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad we established those FACTS

lol but really
Drabek shouldn’t be held back because he struggled for 18 games.

by Mike Andrew on Sep 10, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm agreeing with you, but

he struggled for an entire season, actually. I have a fair bit of faith that he’ll bounce back and have a pretty good 2012, but it’s not just the MLB games in which Kyle was quite bad

by benk on Sep 11, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, that example is a lot more extreme.

the simple facts are Drabek is an elite prospect, and many elite prospects have struggled out of the gate to varying degrees only to go on to have very successful careers. Passing judgment on Drabek at this point is foolish.

"Who are you and how the hell did you get in here?"
"I'm a locksmith... and i'm a locksmith."

by Goonisis on Sep 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i wasn't trying to say much about drabek

but rather about volatility of young starting pitchers.

but, sure, all your points are valid.

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

>Boston

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 10, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston right now

In honor of the Jays 2nd Baseman who played with fire in more ways than one.

by Damaso's Burnt Shirt on Sep 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ooh

I stil doubt the rays will overtake them. It’d be nice though.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

Twit Twat.

by Pikachu on Sep 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

they have such a crappy rotation that I think it might be possible now lol

by Sniderlover on Sep 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

4.5 back, so not impossible, but highly unlikely.

by leaflover4ever on Sep 11, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

who got suspended for the ped?

by l3ojangles on Sep 11, 2011 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Melvin Garcia, Jays 2010 33 round pick. Was hitting .238/.304/.405/.709 in 11 games

by Sniderlover on Sep 11, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously PEDs help him a lot….

by siggian on Sep 12, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT - lol notre dame

"We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct."
- Niels Bohr

by Frag on Sep 11, 2011 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

That game...

Is an instant classic. Not only is it the first night game at the Big House, but there were 3 TDs scored in the final 1:22 (and none on returns!)

"Do not ask yourself what the world needs. Ask yourself what makes you come alive, and then go do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." - Howard Thurman

by Jeremiah Stanghini on Sep 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you haven't seen JP's postgame interview, you need to.

Does a classic hockey interview, even gets a hockey stick as a prop. Awesome stuff.

by transmogrifier on Sep 11, 2011 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I saw it. Good stuff. I like his personality

by Sniderlover on Sep 11, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just a quick point about how stats can be flawed at times

Im trying to remember exactly when it was…I think it was in the 3rd inning with C Davis upto bat. I dont remember the count—-I want to say 3-2. Alverez had set him up perfectly for changeup inside. If his life was on the line—-Im pretty sure he throws a changeup in that situation. Instead, The Jays trying to “develop” that slider and make him throw that. He tumbles it and leaves it up and get wacked. His line looks alot worse because of trying to “develop” this pitch in games. That said—-Alverez didnt have his crazy movement…left pitches up all game….was “playing around” with his new pitch….Despite all that he gives a Quality start!! Im impressed if this is what we are gonna get on a BAD START.

by Hyepwrd on Sep 12, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions  

changeup inside

in the history of baseball, has anyone ever intentionally thrown a changeup inside?

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 12, 2011 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that's all part of

the setup!

"Look at me! I'm Tomokazu Ohka of the Montreal Expos!"

by jessef on Sep 12, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

a stat is flawed because despite (possibly) not pitching optimally, he still pitched well and was credited as such?
Science!

by Gerse on Sep 12, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What I mean specifically is that..

a week or more from now that game and that situation will be forgotten. When people argue about Alverez compared to personX they will only have “stats” to look at. Meanwhile—Ill remember a guy that was freezing lefty’s with a fastball that would start at them and break on the inside part of the plate and a change up that was breaking straight down into the dirt. Clearly Molina called for a slider in a situation that a change up in the dirt on the inside would have gotten a swinging strike. It came at a critical point in the game—it cost him a hit, a run and probably the win. Who knows how many hits/runs Alverez will give up the rest of the year not throwing his best pitches in critical situations just to develop a 3rd pitch. Just Sayin…

by Hyepwrd on Sep 12, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

this sounds highly anectodal

we have no idea what happened on the field. we don’t know what molina called and we don’t know if alvarez made a mistake pitch or was trying to throw a specific pitch to develop it.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

Twit Twat.

by Pikachu on Sep 12, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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