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Can You Improve this Place with the Data that You Gather?: Why I Like Sabrmetrics

"Hey, man of science, with your perfect rules of measure, can you improve this place with the data that you gather?"
-- Bad Religion, "I Want to Conquer the World"

Many of us around here like to joke that objective analysis through sabrmetrics reduces baseball to binary code.  Why would we watch games when we're likely to glean just as much pleasure (and, more importantly, knowledge!) from simply glancing at a series of strings of ones and zeroes?  Like all great jokes, it's funny 'cause it's true.  Though, if we are going to be 100% honest with ourselves and each other, there is a certain kernel of truth to this.  As a general rule, of course, given the option to spend three hours watching a ballgame (four hours, if the Yankees or Red Sox are playing!) or spend that time poring over boxscores and statistics, I choose watching firsthand over stats pretty much every time.  Still, note the qualifiers.

In any event, first and foremost, I'd like to stress that, although some might have you believe otherwise, there's nothing normative about sabrmetrics.  Whether one defines oneself as sabrmetrically-inclined or not is neither intrinsically good nor inherently damning.  In fact, whether you know Yunel Escobar's aggregate defensive rating or you think a relief pitcher's performance should be judged on how many saves he has, in a large-scale reductionistic sense, you're using an objectively determined statistic to aid you in your characterization, which, like it or not, makes you a sabrmetrician.  Now, naturally, most of us take a bit more of an holistic viewpoint on this, defining "sabr stats" as the "meaningful" ones (basically, the ones that analyses have shown are best correlated with what the statistic is purported to characterize).  As a baseball fan, my personal goal is to find simple solutions to complex questions.  And, make no mistake, most questions that plague baseball fans are complex.  The criteria that define the best player in baseball, for instance, can be interpreted many ways.  Just three things we might want to consider when we make our decision include: 1) if the player must play only one position capably or if he receives bonus points (and how many?) for varying degrees of versatility; 2) how we judge defensive skills; and, though it is infrequently discussed, 3) whether we’re filling our team with 25 doppelgangers of that player, because, if so, there must be a premium on players who can both hit and pitch (or who at least have strong arms).

So this seemingly simple question now has answers that could range from Jose Bautista to Micah Owings (no kidding!).  Now, Owings clearly doesn’t seem to pass the smell test for being considered the best player in baseball.  There’s a good reason for this – while he provides a degree of versatility that few players could even hope to match (Shaun Marcum's grand slam notwithstanding) – Major League Baseball rosters have 25 slots, so there is a premium on specialization at the elite level.  Owings does not provide the kind of specialization that would make him the best player at that level, but he could very well be the most useful MLB ringer on a college team – he’d hit the cover off the ball and be an exceptionally good pitcher.  The reason Micah Owings does not come to most of our minds first (or at all) when we consider the best players in baseball is because we are not interested in who would be the best ringer on a college team, we're interested in who would be the best player on an MLB team.  In a sense, the answer to every question depends on what specific criteria we use to answer that question so, before we can find our answers, we have to define our questions.

And that’s the rub.  Defining our questions forces us to simplify them in scope but increase them in number, complicating matters by requiring us to find lots of answers.  As humans, we are predisposed to biases when we attempt to simplify those questions.  These biases can distort our initial questions (and, in turn, distort our ultimate answers).  Objective analyses (essentially, the basis of sabrmetrics) attempt to remove (or, at least, account for) those biases.  At the same time, objective analyses are only as reliable as the data on which they are based and the ways that the analyses are designed and interpreted.  In many cases, those data are far from perfect and those studies are poorly-designed and incorrectly interpreted.  This can be truly frustrating when "bad data" and poorly conceived research do not merely compromise our capacity to reach meaningful conclusions, but actually cause us to draw incorrect ones.

However, as a group, we can identify where we've made errors and correct them, synergistically answering questions we could never answer alone.  In my opinion, what's truly fascinating about sabrmetrics is not simply minimizing distortion in condensing baseball to statistics, it's minimizing distortion in amplifying statistics to baseball.  Next time it seems like sabrmetricians are trying to reduce the game to binary code, remember that the real endgame is turning those ones and zeroes you see today back into frozen ropes and dying quails tomorrow.

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and of course

my poor attempt at a joke makes that sound like a personal attack, when it should say “how I feel about myself

by benk on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

there weren’t even any numbers in this one!

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by jessef on Sep 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You would never make a personal attack. I like numbers too though

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by jays182 on Sep 15, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

small minor problem here

sabrmetrics really isn’t a word. SABR and sabermetrics really don’t have much to do with each other.

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

the Society for Baseball Research really aren't a sabermetrically inclined association

They research baseball, but they don’t study things like DIPS and defensive metrics and the sort, IIRC.

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're research is mainly based on historical baseball

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap

Their*

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

from wiki, the source of all truth:
Only a minority of (SABR) members pursue “number crunching” research.

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

reply fail

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not the closest-reading you could have done

from the same page:

The term is derived from the acronym SABR, which stands for the Society for American Baseball Research. It was coined by Bill James, who is one of its pioneers and is often considered its most prominent advocate and public face.1

While the spelling has changed over the years, it was originally spelled “SABRmetrics” — later, it changed to “sabrmetrics” and, finally, it is more frequently spelled “sabermetrics” today. All of the spellings are actually acceptable and to say that “they don’t have much to do with each other” is patently false.

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by jessef on Sep 15, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Bill James is the most prominent SABR member

but it’s true that most SABR members aren’t sabermetricians. SABR conventions rarely even discuss any advanced statistics

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not know that sabermetrics was actually spelt sabrmetrics in the past though

so that’s my bad.

Sad, Drunk, And Poorly

My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep, no worries

I’m kind of a traditionalist on things like this which is why I prefer the old spelling. I’d use “SABRmetrics” but I hate how it looks. Anyway, didn’t mean to be a jerk there saying it was “patently false” — sorry about that. On a side-note, I hope you enjoyed the post

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by jessef on Sep 15, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

It needs moar numberz

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My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. - JL

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by Pikachu on Sep 15, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

but isn't the point though

that all the compiling of data and research by the SABR folks is a lot of what sabermetrics is built on? Plus, they sponsor stuff like this. I don’t think it’s much of a reach

"Let us go forth awhile, and get better air in our lungs. Let us leave our closed rooms... The game of ball is glorious." - Walt Whitman

by hugo on Sep 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jessef, great piece, as usual

But the end left me wanting more. What would a dying quail look like in binary code?

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by JaysfanDL on Sep 16, 2011 9:35 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know but I can show you what a frozen rope looks like in binary code

11111111111111111111111111111

00000000000000000000000000000

11111111111111111111111111111

by siggian on Sep 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

glad you enjoyed it . . . figured it would be a nice distraction on an off-day

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by jessef on Sep 16, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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